froch didnt do terrible in the fight against groves

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

i just dont see how froch looked any different than normal. groves was just sharper and landed better counters. the difference between this fight and his other fights against counter punchers is that groves hits hard. he made froch fight more timid. i think that groves was just the better man in the ring. i dont think it had anything to do with froch getting old. just like when he fought kessler this last time. froch won but still had a tough time against somebody who was a little sharper than him and was willing to exchange. groves just happened to be a better version of kessler.

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He kept Kessler on the End of his jab and Mikkel indulged him. Groves was having none of it, the difference is huge. Froch didn't just look old he looked confused, out of ideas and clearly scared at points. I don't think he is frightened of anybody but the thought of the embarrassment he would suffer (after all his mouth in the build up) should what he thought was impossible come true, was his downfall. Carl dug his own trap to fall into and used the stuff he dug out to build another mountain to climb afterwards.

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Originally Posted by 0james0

Froch can't keep making school boy, lazy more mistakes just because he's tough.

He sticks his left hand by his knee after a jab and Groves was landing right hands at will. Froch also threw so many jabs that he didn't even intend to hit Groves with, just flicks, not even real punches.

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Froch was doing some things early that were baffling to me. He has a tendency to square up as he throws a right hand anyway, but last night it was so exagerrated- look at the kd and see it. Also, he would punch and then just kind of stand there or step back like he didn't expect anybody to be punching back at him. Maybe he took groves lightly and his training was lax?

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

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Originally Posted by 0james0

Froch can't keep making school boy, lazy more mistakes just because he's tough.

He sticks his left hand by his knee after a jab and Groves was landing right hands at will. Froch also threw so many jabs that he didn't even intend to hit Groves with, just flicks, not even real punches.

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Froch was doing some things early that were baffling to me. He has a tendency to square up as he throws a right hand anyway, but last night it was so exagerrated- look at the kd and see it. Also, he would punch and then just kind of stand there or step back like he didn't expect anybody to be punching back at him. Maybe he took groves lightly and his training was lax?

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THIS WAS THE WORST STOPPAGE I HAVE EVER SEEN

I believe Froch is an accident waiting to happen Because in many ways his biggest strength could be his weakness. His capacity to soak up huge shots and huge amounts of punishment are the hallmarks of fighters who can get themselves seriously hurt

We saw this Gerald McClellan because McClellan was able to take those huge shots from Benn and carry on, meant more blows to his brain. We saw this most famously with Ali and the huge blows he was able take from Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Holmes etc

This is what these refs don't get, boxing accidents happen not because the boxers can't take a punch but more because they can take a punch and the irony is because these type of fighters can take a punch, refs are less inclined to stop their fighters, they just think "O he's Froch. He has a granite chin. He's not hurt. He can take a punch"

Because there is NO WAY that ref would have stopped the fight had it been Froch in trouble like that

The ref (Howard Taylor) was a disgrace.

Have you ever seen a ref in any world title fight grab the guy who is meant to be saving from further punishment in a headlock in order to stop the fight ?

I would not even trust that ref to referee a dog fight.

The rematch will happen. It has to. Where can Froch go ?

Also as a side note.

It makes James De Gales performance against Groves (A fight I though he won) look very good. Remember Andre Ward did not handle Froch the way Groves did and Ward is meant to be 2nd only to Mayweather in the P4P lists

I know Froch and Groves or their team will be looking at websites and seeing what the public are saying..... they might even be reading this. So if I was in Frochs team I would tell him to retire

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

i just dont see how froch looked any different than normal. groves was just sharper and landed better counters. the difference between this fight and his other fights against counter punchers is that groves hits hard. he made froch fight more timid. i think that groves was just the better man in the ring. i dont think it had anything to do with froch getting old. just like when he fought kessler this last time. froch won but still had a tough time against somebody who was a little sharper than him and was willing to exchange. groves just happened to be a better version of kessler.

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He kept Kessler on the End of his jab and Mikkel indulged him. Groves was having none of it, the difference is huge. Froch didn't just look old he looked confused, out of ideas and clearly scared at points. I don't think he is frightened of anybody but the thought of the embarrassment he would suffer (after all his mouth in the build up) should what he thought was impossible come true, was his downfall. Carl dug his own trap to fall into and used the stuff he dug out to build another mountain to climb afterwards.

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thats why i said the difference was that groves was sharper than kessler was. so basically, froch had a tough time against an aged kessler and groves was significantly better than that version of kessler.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

i just dont see how froch looked any different than normal. groves was just sharper and landed better counters. the difference between this fight and his other fights against counter punchers is that groves hits hard. he made froch fight more timid. i think that groves was just the better man in the ring. i dont think it had anything to do with froch getting old. just like when he fought kessler this last time. froch won but still had a tough time against somebody who was a little sharper than him and was willing to exchange. groves just happened to be a better version of kessler.

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He kept Kessler on the End of his jab and Mikkel indulged him. Groves was having none of it, the difference is huge. Froch didn't just look old he looked confused, out of ideas and clearly scared at points. I don't think he is frightened of anybody but the thought of the embarrassment he would suffer (after all his mouth in the build up) should what he thought was impossible come true, was his downfall. Carl dug his own trap to fall into and used the stuff he dug out to build another mountain to climb afterwards.

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thats why i said the difference was that groves was sharper than kessler was. so basically, froch had a tough time against an aged kessler and groves was significantly better than that version of kessler.

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Groves was keying more off the right hand of froch than off his jab, at least early on.

Its styles though, Froch is comfortable fighting a Kessler fight, less thinking, more brawling. It wasn't until he was nicely beat up did he come alive against Groves.

On the knock down he was positioned horribly. It was like watching Hatton all over again. The big, invincible, I AM. Then he gets nailed.

Froch took some huge shots in there, the more he took, the stronger he seemed to become. Massive overhand rights to the chin and he started to just walk through them, when he's in rage mode, there aren't many better. The problem is he doesn't seem to have a boxing brain, to adapt and box, only once have I ever thought he tactically outsmarted another fighter. Other than that he just windmills through.

I actually think De Gale would give Froch fits as well, simply because of style. He would expose all of those massive flaws all over again. Where as GGG, who most would say was better, could possibly suit Froch more as he would be ready to war as well.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

I had Froch 5 down and all over the place getting old and no answers.

However I thin it had turned and he would have got the stoppage in next round or so.

Wasn't his fault but he has to give the rematch or retire (Lewis - Vitali option really)

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It would look real bad if he doesn't give a rematch.. People are going to question that victory forever

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Rematch or retire is pathetic. Ruined Lewis' image in my mind. He should rematch or fight another top fighter eg Ward, GGG or someone coming down from light heavy. Retire just shows he knows he got lucky and doesnt have it in him any more, just like Lewis.

Lets not blame froch.

Blame the ref.

Froch got the beating of his life but still came back like a champion.

Groves deserved to win and might have won if not for the stoppage.

We all know froch is in his prime in the championship rounds and WAS starting to improve.

Froch looked like he came from the pub tonight and straight in the ring.

He was slow, nervous and awkard.

Groves made him that way though.

What a great future groves has...

Toe it seemed as though froch wasn't even there.
It was the froch that fought taylor I saw the other night.

The new froch who beat bute was sharp. Wasn't the same on Saturday.

The stoppage was on its way but sure we won't ever know.

Some people think that groves was in position with his wits to suddenly move out the way! Froch was ripe at that point and to me groves was downhill!!

I wonder how groves made that huge gash on the back of carl head as the world thinks groves didn't hit carl
Twice with haymakers to the back of his head

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Originally Posted by Dropanuke

Toe it seemed as though froch wasn't even there.
It was the froch that fought taylor I saw the other night.

The new froch who beat bute was sharp. Wasn't the same on Saturday.

The stoppage was on its way but sure we won't ever know.

Some people think that groves was in position with his wits to suddenly move out the way! Froch was ripe at that point and to me groves was downhill!!

I wonder how groves made that huge gash on the back of carl head as the world thinks groves didn't hit carl
Twice with haymakers to the back of his head

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Froch looked like a killer against bute but maybe that was because bute wasnt that great to begin with?

He got knocked out by C level andrade unofficially..

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by Dropanuke

Toe it seemed as though froch wasn't even there.
It was the froch that fought taylor I saw the other night.

The new froch who beat bute was sharp. Wasn't the same on Saturday.

The stoppage was on its way but sure we won't ever know.

Some people think that groves was in position with his wits to suddenly move out the way! Froch was ripe at that point and to me groves was downhill!!

I wonder how groves made that huge gash on the back of carl head as the world thinks groves didn't hit carl
Twice with haymakers to the back of his head

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Froch looked like a killer against bute but maybe that was because bute wasnt that great to begin with?

He got knocked out by C level andrade unofficially..

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Froch struggles wth movement. The only movement zbute gave him was moving ti the ropes, then staying there;)

DeGale would land all over Froch.

i am a fan of both fighters, i think i was edging towards wanting froch to win

there is no way the fight was 5-3 though, 8-0 would have been closer

and people are now saying it was a good stoppage, ive watched it 3 times and i cant see anything that suggests that, there was as much chance of froch getting KOed in the last 3 as Groves

one thing is for certain, froch is a very very tough man, i havent see many fighters take that many massive punches and be rocked that many times and still keep coming

I know what everyone's saying but is everyone trying to say that froch wssnt gonna get the stoppage?
Why was groves covering up like Abraham tight against the ropes?
Why did froch fight back when hit but groves didn't?
Those shots at the stoppage were crushing groves as the ropes help him up!!

His head was going back like butes? Did nobody see that? It's hard to see as all the eyes are on the punches groves landed and not on what froch was landing to the sides and body up
Close from round 2.

The stoppage was early but people gotta give froch a break as he was coming on and very strong and by that time knew he had taken George's biggest and best but had yet done his best which was seconds from coming!
Just really think groves was on his way out due to using up everything trying to get froch out in the first half.

I also think carl turned up unprepared and thinking he had it in a bag.

I agree. He just wanted to eat punches so he walked right into it with his right foot in front of his left lol..

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Originally Posted by Dropanuke

I know what everyone's saying but is everyone trying to say that froch wssnt gonna get the stoppage?
Why was groves covering up like Abraham tight against the ropes?
Why did froch fight back when hit but groves didn't?
Those shots at the stoppage were crushing groves as the ropes help him up!!

His head was going back like butes? Did nobody see that? It's hard to see as all the eyes are on the punches groves landed and not on what froch was landing to the sides and body up
Close from round 2.

The stoppage was early but people gotta give froch a break as he was coming on and very strong and by that time knew he had taken George's biggest and best but had yet done his best which was seconds from coming!
Just really think groves was on his way out due to using up everything trying to get froch out in the first half.

I also think carl turned up unprepared and thinking he had it in a bag.

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oh froch was getting that stoppage before the fight was pver but let him get it legit, the stoppage was shit