according to sparring mates like Mikey Garcia, Valero punched harder than Pac

Look what he does to Antillon at the end of the video and it didnt even look like he put everything in it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZouWOomFhc

I don't know why Valero hitting harder than Pac = Valero beating Pac, or even giving Pac a tough fight.

Valero had power that was off the charts, that much can't be denied, but I remember a guy who's technical ability had diminished and relied heavily on landing the big shot (not a great strategy to beat Pac). I remember him taking a lot of punishment from much lesser fighters who had the balls to stand up to him, like Mosquera.

Freddie Roach was notorious for pulling Pac back a little in sparring....

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

I don't know why Valero hitting harder than Pac = Valero beating Pac, or even giving Pac a tough fight.

Valero had power that was off the charts, that much can't be denied, but I remember a guy who's technical ability had diminished and relied heavily on landing the big shot (not a great strategy to beat Pac). I remember him taking a lot of punishment from much lesser fighters who had the balls to stand up to him, like Mosquera.

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Not only about the power but Valero would have switched up into his boxer-puncher mode had he faced a beast like Pac, straight up like a chameleon..

Pac would have got beaten into submission.. Roach might even throw in the towel

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Not only about the power but Valero would have switched up into his boxer-puncher mode had he faced a beast like Pac, straight up like a chameleon..

Pac would have got beaten into submission.. Roach might even throw in the towel

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Look at all the punches he's taking there in sparring.

At the time Valero died, Manny was a WW and Valero was still at LW. How do we know Valero carries his power up to welterweight? He fought 3 times a LW, he murdered Pitalua but his last two fights were mid to later round stoppages where the opponent quit, not one-punch KO's like he was scoring at 130.

Valero was a dynamite puncher for his weight, p4p, but there's no way he could hit Pac harder than a full fledged 154lber like Margarito did.

Valero probably did have better raw power but Manny was amazing during that period, even Floyd avoided him.