Chinese military training for war against Japan

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Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

These nations are pumping up the nationalism as their economies are both on the verge of tanking. They have to divert attention and blind nationalism always works. Think Thatcher and the Falklands. Japan has run trade deficits month after month and is broke, Chinese local government has wasted lots of money and exports are down.

I don't think war is likely, but the financial war will suck everyone in.

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Very true, China's economy is essentially a bubble waiting to burst. The only way they can maintain it is if the people of China indulge in consumerism which isn't likely due to no one having any dispoibal income. A war would be a great way to kick start the economy due to investment in industry and the man power required.

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The shadow banking sector in China is huge and seemingly in a precarious state. The one thing the Chinese have in their favour is gold, enormous quantities of it. Over 2000 tonnes of gold was consumed by the Chinese public last year. When things go wrong in the West they have nothing except debt. At least the Chinese have their gold. The same with the Chinese government too. The Fed seems to have its gold missing and can only solve things by magically printing money via the Fed, whilst the Chinese instead are learning that the US is a lost cause, and are focussing more on gold and keeping other avenues open. The Chinese are smart.

Any economy will have its ups and downs, but unlike the West, China hasn't created a black hole yet. Japan, Europe, UK, and the US are the real problems as consumerism meant growth by borrowing and beyond that there is nowhere to go exect a new feuadalism.

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Originally Posted by walrus

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

china will maul anybody. YOu can wiupe out 300 million, 400 million even half a billion of them and they can still swarm over alll of america and europe combined.l,. They are numberless.

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You have a point there. Oddly, China just recently started putting Aircraft carriers in the water. They are definitely ramping up their military but I don't know if they can yet be classified as a global superpower. I think they are a regional power with global implications. This will not always be the case.

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China definitely is a superpower.

If there ever was a non-nuclear war, they'd be unbeatable because of their manufacturing capability.

It was the American manufacturing capability that won World War II. The Soviets were losing to the Germans until the Americans sent them massive amounts of weapons. The Japanese got off to a good start in 1941-42, but eventually they were overwhelmed by the enormous number of American battleships, tanks, planes, etc produced by the US economy.

Man for man, the Japanese were actually braver and better troops than the Americans. Over 95% of the Japanese soldiers fought to the death, refusing to surrender in situations where they were badly outnumbered and out-gunned, like in the Battles of Saipan, Iwo Jima, and Peleliu.

In April to June 1945, even though the Japanese had practically no navy left, their determination caused the greatest American losses of the war in the Battle of Okinawa (over 82,000 US casualties on land and sea, 768 U.S. planes, at least 225 tanks, and 368 Allied ships, primarily from kamikaze attacks).

They have one aircraft carrier. It's hard to be a superpower with one aircraft carrier.

The Chinese had those islands or rather claimed them in the 13th and 14th century. Japan took control of them in the late 1800's and China was in no position to do anything about it. Japan gave it up at the end of ww2 but in China's mind it was not Japans to give up since it was stolen from them. The U.S.A. gave control back in the seventies to Japan. China has historic claim and its none of the Wests business.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

The Chinese had those islands or rather claimed them in the 13th and 14th century. Japan took control of them in the late 1800's and China was in no position to do anything about it. Japan gave it up at the end of ww2 but in China's mind it was not Japans to give up since it was stolen from them. The U.S.A. gave control back in the seventies to Japan. China has historic claim and its none of the Wests business.

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China is not one to talk, they use the, it was ours at one time, line quite a bit. Tibet was its own country, now it is not. China is now requiring permits for reincarnation so they can choose the next Dali Lama. The US was once Engands. Florida was Spain's. Things change. China is now taking Afghanistan, they are doing it smartly. China is on the hunt around the world for resources and is acting like a kid in a candy store.

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Originally Posted by Freedom

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Originally Posted by walrus

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

china will maul anybody. YOu can wiupe out 300 million, 400 million even half a billion of them and they can still swarm over alll of america and europe combined.l,. They are numberless.

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You have a point there. Oddly, China just recently started putting Aircraft carriers in the water. They are definitely ramping up their military but I don't know if they can yet be classified as a global superpower. I think they are a regional power with global implications. This will not always be the case.

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China definitely is a superpower.

If there ever was a non-nuclear war, they'd be unbeatable because of their manufacturing capability.

It was the American manufacturing capability that won World War II. The Soviets were losing to the Germans until the Americans sent them massive amounts of weapons. The Japanese got off to a good start in 1941-42, but eventually they were overwhelmed by the enormous number of American battleships, tanks, planes, etc produced by the US economy.

Man for man, the Japanese were actually braver and better troops than the Americans. Over 95% of the Japanese soldiers fought to the death, refusing to surrender in situations where they were badly outnumbered and out-gunned, like in the Battles of Saipan, Iwo Jima, and Peleliu.

In April to June 1945, even though the Japanese had practically no navy left, their determination caused the greatest American losses of the war in the Battle of Okinawa (over 82,000 US casualties on land and sea, 768 U.S. planes, at least 225 tanks, and 368 Allied ships, primarily from kamikaze attacks).

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Exactly why we had to drop a couple of serious gifts on their semi larger cities, they would never have stopped until their chiefs ordered them to.Good reason to not bomb their capital and cut their communications,two lesser cities was smart.

The U.S playing landlord..who woulda thunk it. Wonder if China turning the tide for North Korea might have influenced a wests involvment for Japan.

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Originally Posted by walrus

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

The Chinese had those islands or rather claimed them in the 13th and 14th century. Japan took control of them in the late 1800's and China was in no position to do anything about it. Japan gave it up at the end of ww2 but in China's mind it was not Japans to give up since it was stolen from them. The U.S.A. gave control back in the seventies to Japan. China has historic claim and its none of the Wests business.

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China is not one to talk, they use the, it was ours at one time, line quite a bit. Tibet was its own country, now it is not. China is now requiring permits for reincarnation so they can choose the next Dali Lama. The US was once Engands. Florida was Spain's. Things change. China is now taking Afghanistan, they are doing it smartly. China is on the hunt around the world for resources and is acting like a kid in a candy store.

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That is right, things do change. That is what this is. Change and like I said its nobody's business but those directly involved. Let them have at it if need be. Like the Falklands. If the West wants to start interfering then lets go to Korea. I mean we did say "never again" Or how about the yearly slaughters and starvation all over Africa? If those two countries want to blow each other up let them. This planet could use about 4 billion less people so that's a start. We can call it wildlife management.