Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
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Originally Posted by
bradlee180
Did some math.
Wilder's opponents' combined records:
426 Wins - 196 Losses - 19 Draws.
Percentage-wise:
66.46 % Wins.
30.58 % Losses.
2.96 % Draws.
Over 5 years as a pro, this 28 year old undefeated fighter still has fought no one of consequence yet regarding World Class Boxing. He should've been in there with some Top 10 guys by now, someone that really gonna be fighting back.
A fighter doesn't develop nor learn anything unless his management steps up the competition each time out. Are they scared to put him in there with a live one?
It's over-protecting, and stagnating this fighter's development.
They must know something we do not know yet.
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
His chin could be suspect. I saw david haye catching him with a clean right hand in sparring and it looked like wilder froze for a sec..
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
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Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
His chin could be suspect. I saw david haye catching him with a clean right hand in sparring and it looked like wilder froze for a sec..
Haye can hit so no shame there but hope he does not have an Audley Harrison chin.
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
His chin could be suspect. I saw david haye catching him with a clean right hand in sparring and it looked like wilder froze for a sec..
Haye can hit so no shame there but hope he does not have an Audley Harrison chin.
There are exceptions but generally, tall black fighters with skinny legs cant take a punch..
Wilder dont strike me as the type with a solid chin.
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
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X
I think Tyson has earned the right to make any comments or thoughts about current fighters.
I agree with Tyson.
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
There is a chin problem with Wilder.
2 short clips below, only about 1 minute each, worth a look.
Wilder turned pro Nov 2008 at 23 years old.
Here he is 9 months earlier, Feb 2008, as a 22 year old Amateur getting knocked around and down by Evgenyi Romanov (born in 1985 same as Wilder.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpWqvX3_PW4
David Haye sparring Wilder in 2013. Haye was rocking him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7tzdZvOWkY
Quite easy to see the liability and susceptibility in this fighter.
Bur hey, Wladimir had some chin issues until Stewart joined him in 2004 and gradually worked out the kinks in his style, developed him, helped him learn to protect the vulnerable chin.
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
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Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
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Originally Posted by
Master
Agreed the Toney that destroyed Holyfield would have beaten Tyson who was a shell of the fighter he was.
I think you are being too generous on Wilder and blaming his promoters. He has gone at a snails pace for what reason? He has amateur experience, it must be because he is fragile and may have a weak chin.
Having a proper amount of amateur experience makes a world of difference as opposed to having a short one unless you are just one of a kind which wilder clearly isnt.. he doesnt have the foundation.. the guy barely learned how to throw a jab.. if Lennox lewis had to school him on a simple jab, theres something lacking there...
Chavez jr used to get babied too but he's now fighting the big guns.. wilder should get there shortly..
Veras a big gun?
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
Who the hell invited FAT TUB OF LARD ASS, James "Big Mac" Toney to butt (pun fully intended) in to the conversation?? Go back to your dinner plate, you slurring clown. Only way Toney beats Wilder right now is in an "All-you-can-eat" contest at the neighborhood greasy spoon.
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
so wilders promo team are lining up a fight with toney..... bit of a crap fight but whatever... he's never been stopped and hopefully makes wilder work for more than 3 rounds
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
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Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
Mikes one hundred percent correct, also think he's right about Jennings being more exciting. The only thing Wilder should be saying is "thank you sir".
True but that 3vtear old comment was unnecessary, no? Mike was taking jabs at him..
As an immature young fighter, I can see why wilder got a bit offended.. after all, he's still learning on thejob and dude is working hard..
Yeh but it's probably the biggest shot he's taken from a respected heavyweight ;D Mikes always wearing in on the sleeve and really Wilder needs to hear it. You can expect detractors and doubters in the fans but Wilder should take stock in the underlying perspective. It's ironic coming from a guy who also knocked over a truck load of guys in quickies coming up but Mikes saying until you've faced fire and taken a punch it could just as easily say everything about the level your people feel your really at as it does your protected puffed up ko power.
I really feel more and more the powers in charge are trying to walk the china shop through the bull herd with Wilder. I don't see him learning or working a whole lot all that much and it's going to catch up badly when his punch is actually slipped and he doesn't know how to get outta the way.
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
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Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
FinitoElDinamita
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
Mikes one hundred percent correct, also think he's right about Jennings being more exciting. The only thing Wilder should be saying is "thank you sir".
True but that 3vtear old comment was unnecessary, no? Mike was taking jabs at him..
As an immature young fighter, I can see why wilder got a bit offended.. after all, he's still learning on thejob and dude is working hard..
Yeh but it's probably the biggest shot he's taken from a respected heavyweight ;D Mikes always wearing in on the sleeve and really Wilder needs to hear it. You can expect detractors and doubters in the fans but Wilder should take stock in the underlying perspective.
It's ironic coming from a guy who also knocked over a truck load of guys in quickies coming up but Mikes saying until you've faced fire and taken a punch it could just as easily say everything about the level your people feel your really at as it does your protected puffed up ko power.
I really feel more and more the powers in charge are trying to walk the china shop through the bull herd with Wilder. I don't see him learning or working a whole lot all that much and it's going to catch up badly when his punch is actually slipped and he doesn't know how to get outta the way.
Bullshit! Utter bullshit!
Mike won the WBC title within 2 years or turning pro!
The level of fighter that Wlder is stagnating on 6 years in to his pro career is the level of fighter Mike was facing within his first year! Jesse Ferguson beats everyone that Wilder has faced.....
At the same point in Mikes career, 6 years in, he had beaten 3 seperate defending belt holders and had defended all the unified titles 6 successfull times (something no other fighter from any division has done).
Mike can say what the fuck he wants. Hes on everyones greatest list, no matter where, hes there.
Re: Tyson makes a remark about Wilder.. WIlder fires back... James Toney backs Tyson
Until Wilder gets beaten we cant judge him to much , he will have to step up soon , he has nowhere else to go .If he fails then we will judge him.
