Re: Winky Wright vs Sugar Ray Robinson at MW
Lol look there is nothing beneficial to 12 round fights vs 15? Nothing. The decision to go 12 verses 15 had nothing to do with the sport or the safety of the combatants. That actually makes the move even more despicable and merit lacking. Like they give a shit. The only thing it has done is further water down an already root rotted plant and given us bogus cards and fights where even 1 more round seemed necessary. You are a cool dude and one hell of a good poster and knowledgeable fan but you and I are polar opposites on this particular issue. Perhaps you grew up in the 12 era and I the 15.
Anyway Ray beats Wink no matter the rounds.
Re: Winky Wright vs Sugar Ray Robinson at MW
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The decision to go 12 verses 15 had nothing to do with the sport or the safety of the combatants. That actually makes the move even more despicable and merit lacking. Like they give a shit. The only thing it has done is further water down an already root rotted plant and given us bogus cards and fights where even 1 more round seemed necessary.
You're probably right on the fact that they changed it for their own reasons and not the safety of the fighters, but regardless of why they changed it the science is there to say the more rounds you go, the more dangerous it is for the fighter. When a fighter is exhausted, he's more apt to take more punishment. And you have to remember that the brain is protected by a thin layer of spinal fluid which is composed of, like everything else, mostly water, so when you're dehydrated your brain takes a lot more damage because it doesn't have the full cushion it usually does (which is why they found that a lot of deaths/serious injuries happened to guys who cut a lot of weight).
I just don't see the importance of the 15 rounds. What can you accomplish in 45 minutes that you can't in 36? I just don't get it, other than the "nostalgia" aspect I guess.
Re: Winky Wright vs Sugar Ray Robinson at MW
Winky wins by a hair.. and Ray Leonard at WW is better than Robinson..
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Fighters today are a bunch of spoiled brat premadonnas who fight once or twice a year for seven figure paydays and that’s all they fight for save a handful of guys. Most are breathing through the mouth after four rounds and running on empty after that. They don’t need a hill to climb because the rewards come w/o the risk. Its bss ackward. They couldn’t fight 15.
Spot on. I know it's not cool to wax poetic about back in the day...but fighters today, even with "advances" in nutrition and training, just don't have the same stamina as guys from the past. That is why i find it absolutely preposterous when some people say for example that the "bigger stronger" heavyweights today would just demolish the ones from the past. These guys have no fucking stamina. Aside from a handful of guys (Floyd, Hopkins, etc.) who are disciplined and have tremendous conditioning year round....i don't see too many fighters these days lasting 15 rounds. And lets not forget...cats back then weren't only fighting more rounds....they where throwing and receiving more punches. Non of this i'll take a round off bs or i'll fight in spurts. Also, now....you have way too many fighters who have no business being in a certain weight class...but try to make that weight so they can have the size advantage come fight night. How often have we seen fighters just say "fuck it" to the weight limit these days. It's disgraceful. As far as Sugar Ray vs. Winky....Winky would be tasting the canvas.
Re: Winky Wright vs Sugar Ray Robinson at MW
Who are all these fighters with no stamina? Name names and give examples... or just throw out a blanket statement with no factual evidence, whatever floats your boat.
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lol... calling Johnson a "bum"
Saddo members.
Being the best at 400m is like being the best boxing cruiserweight... who cares?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFcjJezL7lo
I remember this because I was 10 years old and it was a great point of pride for us Canadians. The chicken American bum was losing and pulled up like a wimp.
Johnson was a legend, who was the Canadian that beat him again?
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Winky wins by a hair.. and Ray Leonard at WW is better than Robinson..
Winky isn't beating ray Robinson. Ray Leonard isn't beating Napoles or Zivic or Emile Griffith, much less Robinson. I think Luis Rodriguez beats leonard, too.
Those 15 round fights were the best. The 'Championship Rounds', 11-15, told the difference between pros and pretenders.
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Winky wins by a hair.. and Ray Leonard at WW is better than Robinson..
Winky isn't beating ray Robinson. Ray Leonard isn't beating Napoles or Zivic or Emile Griffith, much less Robinson. I think Luis Rodriguez beats leonard, too.
Those 15 round fights were the best. The 'Championship Rounds', 11-15, told the difference between pros and pretenders.
I agree Robinson beat Winky, Leonard does not beat the real Sugar Ray at welter.
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Winky wins by a hair.. and Ray Leonard at WW is better than Robinson..
Winky isn't beating ray Robinson. Ray Leonard isn't beating Napoles or Zivic or Emile Griffith, much less Robinson. I think Luis Rodriguez beats leonard, too.
Those 15 round fights were the best. The 'Championship Rounds', 11-15, told the difference between pros and pretenders.
I agree Robinson beat Winky, Leonard does not beat the real Sugar Ray at welter.
Grey, on a second thought, I agree that Robinson beats WInky.. I just didnt want to romanticize about these old school fighters so I said Winky. lol
Winky doesnt throw enough punches to win. He would hide behind that high guard and get outworked to a decision. No KO though...
MAster, pshhhh Leonard doesn't beat Robinson at Welter? based on what? Listen, if you can get hold of Robinsons WW fights during his prime, let me know cuz I havent found one yet..
I can only judge off of what Ive seen and Ive seen more than enough of Leonard..
Re: Winky Wright vs Sugar Ray Robinson at MW
Winky was a bipolar defensive master, and that's a compliment. He gave up range and often walked in with that heel to toe flat step but was buttoned tight up like a beachhead in France of 44'. Loved how he tucked his elbows but shot off the jab with hooks. He was a sleeper to be respected well before he got his just due. But he's not beating Ray speed and accuracy who would pepper that turtle shell, cracking it ever so gradually for a unanimous win. He would not be mesmerized on the end of that southpaw jab and would keep him turning.
Re: Winky Wright vs Sugar Ray Robinson at MW
I say i wish they would bring back the 15 rounders i mean Leonard got some of his best wins as did Robinson in the latter rounds. I mean if people are better athletes now they should have no problem with extra rounds i mean only in championship fights also they gloves are to big now as well.
Re: Winky Wright vs Sugar Ray Robinson at MW
Im just glad Winky isnt fighting anymore cuz he's literally the most boring fighter ever..
I watch some of his old fights and find myself appreciating Andre Ward and Rigo more and more. Stinky be so boring he makes those two guys look hella exciting and shit.
I remember those dreadful moments where I had to sit through his dull fights on ROy Jones undercards.. I fuckin hated it..
like wow, stinky even makes Bernard look like Gatti.. That's how boring he was.
Stinky could be fighting the 50ft giant woman with her titties all hangin out and I still wouldnt watch that shit.
Wlad is more exciting than Stinky.. That's how much i think of him.
Re: Winky Wright vs Sugar Ray Robinson at MW
Winky easily and obviously!
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I say i wish they would bring back the 15 rounders i mean Leonard got some of his best wins as did Robinson in the latter rounds. I mean if people are better athletes now they should have no problem with extra rounds i mean only in championship fights also they gloves are to big now as well.
It's not whether they can or not, it's whether they should be forced to. I've never heard any reasoning for it other than the fact that guys used to fight 15 rounders.
In a sport that's notoriously for destroying guys physically and mentally, why would anyone want to make it even more taxing?
And to me it makes for a more boring fight because guys are going to pace themselves more and that means less energy expended per round.
I don't see who wins by making fights 15 rounds, honestly.
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I say i wish they would bring back the 15 rounders i mean Leonard got some of his best wins as did Robinson in the latter rounds. I mean if people are better athletes now they should have no problem with extra rounds i mean only in championship fights also they gloves are to big now as well.
Show me a 15 rounder that was as explosive as a 12 rounder? 15 rounds = featherfists.
Specifically, show me fights in the 15 round era that actually went 15 rounds that did not feature featherfists? Hard isn't it ;)
