Is there anybody who thinks Pacquiao wasn't using PEDs?

Typical script.

Haters will hate.... fans will deny, and deflect hate toward Floyd, the other protagonist in this movie.

I like Pacquiao as a person, and for his accomplishments inside the ring. He's humble, not a chest-pounding illiterate bitch like a Margarito. He's faced the best of the best, and has had to earn everything he's got, unlike the coddled silver-spoon-fed Chavez Jr. There was no famous Manuel Pacquiao Sr., blazing a trail before him, and putting boxing federation presidents in his back pocket. He has losses in his record, even the spectacular KO by JMM, another fighter I like very much, for being a classy guy, like Pacquiao. So having losses, he doesn't have to protect his damn "0", like the coddled Ginger (until he got humiliated by Floyd). He's become a recognizable name in boxing, even delving into politics, and with the utmost respect of his people.

But are there reasonable doubts surrounding Pac's possible use of PED's? Yes. His rise through the weights is unprecendented (with that degree of success). He retained his power several weight divisions above his own. He did refuse to open and random testing. He could've put all those suspicions to bed had he really wanted to. But he didn't.

So why not see things for what they are, instead of injecting blind love or hate into every issue?

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by dick_handsome

Teddy's a fuckin idiot. Of course Manny was on roids, probably still is. Floyd too for that matter.

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No Floyd does drug testing.

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Hah! And? So does Bradley and look at his head it's mahoosive.

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If Bradley took steroids maybe his body would grow into his massive bobble head ;D

It is true that a huge question mark hangs over Pacquiao and the PED issue but that same issue hangs over all of boxing. Floyd has no reason not to use anything he can use undetected and that is why his words sound hollow, particularly considering his own Vegas ankle chain hang up.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

It is true that a huge question mark hangs over Pacquiao and the PED issue but that same issue hangs over all of boxing. Floyd has no reason not to use anything he can use undetected and that is why his words sound hollow, particularly considering his own Vegas ankle chain hang up.

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Good post. Everybody is the sport could be looked at with a cynical lens I agree but in Manny's case there are some real differences in the result of his metamorphism.

Nobody in 150 years with some eras being brutal ever came close to doing what Manny has done. Not Fitzy, Armstrong, Carpentier, Robinson, Floyd or any other atg. Not even close. Nobody in 150 years has ever had their power, speed and reflexes increase exponentially like it did with Manny. Highly suspect if one thinks about it or maybe his peds were simply better. He didn't just beat guys moving up, he destroyed them and elite guys. To me the reasoning is both inductive and deductive. Either way I seem to arrive at the same conclusion. No way in hell did he fight clean.

No one knows. Most likely yes. As is the case for most professional athletes. Testers technology is behind the cheats which is why they are not caughts as often. The other problem is the money needed to do the tests. I heard an interesting fact regarding athletics in Germany. For every athlete to be tested the recomended amount of times per year would cost 76 million. 4 million is invested in this.

probably but not proven, what about Bhop, Floyd, Joe C, Wlad and many others back in the day, they could of been taking all sorts of shit, I mean five ten rounders in six weeks who you kidding every ones at it, be it pain killing jabs before a fight, weight loss pills, extra red blood cells more oxygen carried round the body, the list is endless its all cheating, you just have to be a mug to get caught these dayz.

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Teddy's a fuckin idiot. Of course Manny was on roids, probably still is. Floyd too for that matter.

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No Floyd does drug testing.

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Hah! And? So does Bradley and look at his head it's mahoosive.

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It may be but he hasnt shot up in how many different weights and remained ripped.

Plenty of people think Pacquiao was not on PEDS.

Myself for instance...

It's too bad that the limpd!<k$ of this generation can't recognize nor respect True Greatness in the ring when they see it. Pacquiao's the Greatest fighter of the past 25 years. Before the De La Hoya fight and all the classic bouts that followed, Pacquiao had already done enough at 126 lbs and 130 lbs alone to be a 1st ballot Hall-of-Famer.

Instead the limpd!<k$ are fooled by The Great Pretender who ducked almost all the best prime guys across 3 weight classes for 8 years while stacking the deck against them primadonna-style in every way. Hatton's the only top prime guy he fought during those 8 years. Good fighter, not a Great fighter.

Oh yeah, and Teddy is in fact an idiot as someone else mentioned....

What fighter has ever stayed with Atlas?
Who has he ever developed from the ground up?
Some may think Tyson, but Atlas was fired when Tyson was 15 years old.


Atlas has said a lot of stupid things over the years. A lot!

And Atlas CANNOT call a fight to save his life!
Whenever the press do fight-predictions, Atlas' call usually means the Kiss-of-Death for that fighter! It's true, it's true! It's DAMN true !!

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Oh yeah, and Teddy is in fact an idiot as someone else mentioned....

What fighter has ever stayed with Atlas?
Who has he ever developed from the ground up?
Some may think Tyson, but Atlas was fired when Tyson was 15 years old.


Atlas has said a lot of stupid things over the years. A lot!

And Atlas CANNOT call a fight to save his life!
Whenever the press do fight-predictions, Atlas' call usually means the Kiss-of-Death for that fighter! It's true, it's true! It's DAMN true !!

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I'd have to ask what Teddy's commentating skills and intelligence have to do with his integrity and his ability to tell the truth?

The question is: Who hasn't used PED's at one point or the other?

Stacker 2 and 1 would be considered PED's in these days.
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I don't think he wasn't :)

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Unfortunately, in this day and age, there is doubt for every boxer regarding PEDs unless there is transparent VADA-style testing 360 days a year. A top boxer could cycle in and off when he's not being tested and still benefit a lot. It's hard not to have doubts about Floyd, Manny, Hopkins etc.

Manny wouldn't submit to tests. Suspicious.

There's a lot of rumors about Floyd too. Allegedly, his attorneys come down hard on people when accusations are made. Two or three boxers on his team in his camp tested positive. Suspicious.

Hopkins hasn't done VADA-style testing. Suspicious.

The only fighter I'm pretty confident isn't on anything is Nonito Donaire.

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That's very true Mr. Rantcatrat.

I think what we are coming to now is that unless you are signed up to go through VADA testing, you are a suspect.

I applaude guys like Donaire and Bradley who have voluntarily gone through the VADA process in an effort to clean up the sport.

If you want to sell a piece of autographed memorabilia, you have to get it authenticated by a reputable company... VADA provides athletes a way to "authenticate" themselves and remove doubt about how legitimate their "supplementation" is...

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"BULLSHIT" Donaire has Conte to make sure he has the "Clear" to pass his tests. How is having Conte a valid argument to not being clean when you have all the answers to the test. Just some more rabid Pinoy boys leaving out the facts to place their limited two fighters up on a pedestal.

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Plenty of people think Pacquiao was not on PEDS.

Myself for instance...

It's too bad that the limpd!<k$ of this generation can't recognize nor respect True Greatness in the ring when they see it. Pacquiao's the Greatest fighter of the past 25 years. Before the De La Hoya fight and all the classic bouts that followed, Pacquiao had already done enough at 126 lbs and 130 lbs alone to be a 1st ballot Hall-of-Famer.

Instead the limpd!<k$ are fooled by The Great Pretender who ducked almost all the best prime guys across 3 weight classes for 8 years while stacking the deck against them primadonna-style in every way. Hatton's the only top prime guy he fought during those 8 years. Good fighter, not a Great fighter.

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No doubt Pac is ATG but not over JMM and Floyd. Has to beat Floyd to surpass and need to KO someone at 147 these days. Over JMM not until he KO's JMM . The ODLH fight only gave him recognition on a grand scale. The fight itself was no great achievement it should never have been scheduled. I would love to see Pac fight Broner or Mickey Garcia at 130 now and see how weak he would be now that he is late into his 30's.

Well Pac started his career when he was 16 so him moving up in weight not as surprising. The WW scene right now is kinda shallow most of them are move ups really. Pac only had one fight at 135 which was Diaz meh, Hatton 140 after his defeat to Mayweather, and Margartio at 154 after getting his shit packed by Mosley. At 126 Lost to Morales who was coming off a lose, but won the series, then beat Barrera and was knocked out as champ in the lower weights. He never really beat Jmm convincing and was knocked out cold by a 40 year old Marquez. Best fighter of the past 25 years eh more like top ten i think would be a better example and yea he was most likely on peds because all boxer are pretty much on peds they would be stupid not to be my favorite fighter Holyfeild most think he was on steroids yet in 26 years never failed a test kinda makes you wonder.