Re: Foreman & Hopkins in their 40s- whose run was more impressive?
George Foreman because he took so much time off and came back ans mange to win the belt. Losing to Morrison who was scared to death of fighting him close but was a pretty good fighter at the time so not that bad for him. Holyfeild is a top ten atg heavyweight in prime so no big deal he lost to him either really either because he was a great and younger. Lhw division is pretty weak right now and Foreman kinda was competing in a division which is the best the heavy's had really seen in his 40's and after taking like over ten years off that takes some balls to do and being hw champ to says your the best.
Re: Foreman & Hopkins in their 40s- whose run was more impressive?
It's fair to say Foremans run was awesome as well but I didn't see him beat any top tier boxers of the 90's and didn't see him fight the good+big men like Riddick or Lennox or Tyson.
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It's fair to say Foremans run was awesome as well but I didn't see him beat any top tier boxers of the 90's and didn't see him fight the good+big men like Riddick or Lennox or Tyson.
Michael moorer
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It's fair to say Foremans run was awesome as well but I didn't see him beat any top tier boxers of the 90's and didn't see him fight the good+big men like Riddick or Lennox or Tyson.
Michael moorer
Yes, yes... there was Michael Moorer.. Credit to the big man there. But I'm not sure that "win" constitutes an amazing effort.
I think maybe Moorer standing in front of the giant puncher who's basically only chance was a good shot, despite endless warnings about such thing from his usually moronic but this time on the money trainer at the time is a bit ridiculous.
Moorer's loss was through his own extreme arrogance, a bit like his opponents loss was about 20 years earlier.
Re: Foreman & Hopkins in their 40s- whose run was more impressive?
Hopkins is far more impressive. Foreman handpicked his opponents and openly avoided Lewis. Hopkins would never did that. Even when he knew he was going to lose against Taylor, Dawson and Joe he took them on and only their youth and out put beat him.
Re: Foreman & Hopkins in their 40s- whose run was more impressive?
How did Foreman avoid Lewis exactly i mean he was robbed against Briggs or he could of fought him am i right or did i miss something. As for Calzaghe he was 36 and his whole style was based on output and speed and that is the first thing to go far from a young man. Foreman fought Moorer, Morrison, Briggs and a prime fucking Holyfeild after not boxing for over a decade against top guys. He came back won the belt in the deepest division of heavyweights at 45 after not fighting for over a decade that's fucking nuts. I mean not like he kept fighting he just took a huge time off and then became hw champ that shit will most likely not happen again a Champ regains his title 20 years later that is more epic to me then anything Hopkins did i also put a lot more weight on Being the Hw champ because your the top dog pretty much as well.
Re: Foreman & Hopkins in their 40s- whose run was more impressive?
Also not to put Lewis down because he a great champ but he had been knocked out by McCall the rematch just showed McCall had drug problems. Then he had a fight with mercer which he could of easly lost not like he was the champ he would become when Foreman had the strap.
Re: Foreman & Hopkins in their 40s- whose run was more impressive?
You must have missed Foreman openly say he was never fighting Lewis. Too young and dangerous for him.
Re: Foreman & Hopkins in their 40s- whose run was more impressive?
Did he say it in a interview maybe i did miss it but his comp was as good as any Hopkins is fighting. i Mean do think any of this Lhw he is fighting are even on a Level of Lewis. I bet you if Michael Spinks was champ and young and old Hopkins would retire shit a young one would not even get in the ring.
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Did he say it in a interview maybe i did miss it but his comp was as good as any Hopkins is fighting. i Mean do think any of this Lhw he is fighting are even on a Level of Lewis. I bet you if Michael Spinks was champ and young and old Hopkins would retire shit a young one would not even get in the ring.
140 he said it in basically every interview surrounding the topic of Lennox Lewis. I am surprise you could have missed it.
The fighters you listed Foreman faced in a previous list he mostly LOST to or struggled with so I don't see how that is comparable with Hopkins.
Michael Moorer victory was a fluke, I'm certain most times Moorer would have beaten him. Old man Foreman is always gonna be a tough fight for anybody but I didn't see him fight Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe or Lennox Lewis. He even ducked Larry Holmes!
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Did he say it in a interview maybe i did miss it but his comp was as good as any Hopkins is fighting. i Mean do think any of this Lhw he is fighting are even on a Level of Lewis. I bet you if Michael Spinks was champ and young and old Hopkins would retire shit a young one would not even get in the ring.
Yes he said it many times that he would not fight Lewis.
I still think Hopkins opponent are better than the 2nd tier fighters George fought.
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Master u r correct. Not even disputable. Moorer had a china chin, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart and Tommy Mortison were club fighters at best. Briggs is a joke. Evander was good but George lost clearly in that one. Cooney was a dinosaur, and Bert Cooper was too small and high on drugs.
Compare that to Pascal, Cloud, Beibut, Pavilik, Joe C, Tarver, Dawson n soon Stevenson. How many P4P ranked (at the time of the fight) is in that list? Multiple, n I forgot to mention Winky on that list as well. Really, Hop was already old at 36 when he destroyed Tito, but I wanted to limit it to guys he fought while over 40.
The one guy Georfe fought who was ranked p4p at the time they fought was Evander n he lost that one. George is an ATG heavyweight n a great man, but not anywhere near Hop in terms of accomplishment. Hop is a master at his craft. Too bad boxing fans today don't know enough about the sport to appreciate it.
Hopkins run has lasted longer and is more impressive.
However, Tommy Morrison was NOT a club fighter. He was a top contender and WBO champ.
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Master u r correct. Not even disputable. Moorer had a china chin, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart and Tommy Mortison were club fighters at best. Briggs is a joke. Evander was good but George lost clearly in that one. Cooney was a dinosaur, and Bert Cooper was too small and high on drugs.
Compare that to Pascal, Cloud, Beibut, Pavilik, Joe C, Tarver, Dawson n soon Stevenson. How many P4P ranked (at the time of the fight) is in that list? Multiple, n I forgot to mention Winky on that list as well. Really, Hop was already old at 36 when he destroyed Tito, but I wanted to limit it to guys he fought while over 40.
The one guy Georfe fought who was ranked p4p at the time they fought was Evander n he lost that one. George is an ATG heavyweight n a great man, but not anywhere near Hop in terms of accomplishment. Hop is a master at his craft. Too bad boxing fans today don't know enough about the sport to appreciate it.
Hopkins run has lasted longer and is more impressive.
However, Tommy Morrison was NOT a club fighter. He was a top contender and WBO champ.
Tommy would be a great fighter today but in that period he would be a fringe contender.
Re: Foreman & Hopkins in their 40s- whose run was more impressive?
Why would you bring up pound for pound because that pretty much never is going to be a heavyweight on there kinda silly bring up. Like me saying i think Moorer can beat any of the guys Hopkins ever did because he a heavyweight and would most kill them Foreman run with wait was pretty damn good.
