I don't see how u can argue the div is stronger. The div is weak. Ward is good but the rest are nowhere near Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
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I don't see how u can argue the div is stronger. The div is weak. Ward is good but the rest are nowhere near Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Listen to his corner and keep winning!!!!!
Well to be fair if you look at Calzaghe's competition... it wasn't until he beat Jeff Lacy that he started to get respect. Sakio Bika, Manfredo Jr, Kessler, Bhop and Roy Jones after that. Roy Jones and Chris Eubank were well past it when he fought them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Froch has been in the ring with a ton of upper echelon talent. An undefeated Jean Pascal, Jermain Taylor, Andre Dirrell, Kessler x2, Abraham, Glen Johnson, undefeated Andre Ward, undefeated Lucian Bute, undefeated George Groves x2... that's some serious talent.
And in most of these, he was the underdog. Pascal was the favorite. Taylor was the huge favorite. Dirrell was the favorite. Abraham was expected to murder him and got dominated. Lucian was the favorite and took a horrendous beating.
Really? I find that hard to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell to be fair if you look at Calzaghe's competition... it wasn't until he beat Jeff Lacy that he started to get respect. Sakio Bika, Manfredo Jr, Kessler, Bhop and Roy Jones after that. Roy Jones and Chris Eubank were well past it when he fought them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Froch has been in the ring with a ton of upper echelon talent. An undefeated Jean Pascal, Jermain Taylor, Andre Dirrell, Kessler x2, Abraham, Glen Johnson, undefeated Andre Ward, undefeated Lucian Bute, undefeated George Groves x2... that's some serious talent.
And in most of these, he was the underdog. Pascal was the favorite. Taylor was the huge favorite. Dirrell was the favorite. Abraham was expected to murder him and got dominated. Lucian was the favorite and took a horrendous beating.
Your logic is way off bro. Again. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI don't see how u can argue the div is stronger. The div is weak. Ward is good but the rest are nowhere near Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
It had seemed that the ship that linked Joe's career to Hopkins and Jones had long gone. Now (IMO) their careers are linked in such a mis-construed way, it's hardly worth mentioning (except for a Jones Hopkins fight that took place at 160).
Hopkins and Jones were both in their forties when Joe fought them. Not saying it's anyone's fault but that's the fact. When Joe was in his prime he fought a weight drained Eubank.
Joe's best win is Kessler. Remember that was the ''career defining'' fight he was after.
It could be argued that Kessler is the only fighter that currently (and truly) defines Joe's, Andre's and Froch's success as a fighter :cool:
Carl Froch wasn't highly rated at the time and was coming off the controversial decision over Pascal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Jermain was supposedly "reinvigorated" at 168 and was the big favorite, I remember well.
Talyor Just lost to Pavlik pretty bad in both fights and one was at a higher weight his only win was Lacy but Talyor still did not have a good win at smw and never did. If anything kinda shows how weak the comp was that froch fought at the time because he was not really fighting top guys yet. I would say Calzaghe was no longer prime really when he fought hopkins he was like 35 or 36 same with Jones. I mean they weren't prime either but Calzaghe was no spring chicken when the fight happened. Froch has to become the man guy at a divsion for a legacy to reached atg status which has not happened yet.
Yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusYour logic is way off bro. Again. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI don't see how u can argue the div is stronger. The div is weak. Ward is good but the rest are nowhere near Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones Jr etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
It had seemed that the ship that linked Joe's career to Hopkins and Jones had long gone. Now (IMO) their careers are linked in such a mis-construed way, it's hardly worth mentioning (except for a Jones Hopkins fight that took place at 160).
Hopkins and Jones were both in their forties when Joe fought them. Not saying it's anyone's fault but that's the fact. When Joe was in his prime he fought a weight drained Eubank.
Joe's best win is Kessler. Remember that was the ''career defining'' fight he was after.
It could be argued that Kessler is the only fighter that currently (and truly) defines Joe's, Andre's and Froch's success as a fighter :cool:
Hopkins went on to give the ravaging Pavlik his first loss, also beat Pascal, Cloud etc. the supposed top young guns at light heavy.
Calazaghe did what the newer class couldnt. He beat Hopkins and made him cry foul like a little sissy, cry girl, bitch to buy time;D