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Originally Posted by Spicoli
You best believe if GG did that to Sergio they'd be comparing him to Hagler.;D
Cotto just pee'd in everybody's Koolaid.
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AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
You best believe if GG did that to Sergio they'd be comparing him to Hagler.;D
Cotto just pee'd in everybody's Koolaid.
The amount of injuries and lumps these guys took brought them to Saturday night with the evil talk false bravado and you cant wear the brace by the New York State Athletic commission aka the fly in the ointment. The game is called prize fighting and Cotto like a young lion waiting for the old lion to miss a step bared his teeth and got the pride, the reward, the purse. Legacies had nothing to do with it and being a lineal champ doesn't mean you are the best and the promoters, the suits with the money also helped steer away viable opponents. These are the same criminals that almost destroyed boxing. Remember when all this was on network television? Do you remember the Tuesday night fights, a highly rated program in that time frame being cancelled by men who I am embarrassed to recognize as my gender? A little while ago I read that titles don't mean squat and they don't. Every division is cracked with so many alphabet soup titles and if we are not careful anyone can start an organization and declare himself champion or beat up Tijuana cab drivers to pad their record. Cotto is the champ who beat the lineal champ and now he has to present the burden of truth, fight the number one contender or vacate. I like Cotto and yes he is entitled to a hefty purse but if fighting a non middleweight when you are the champion and you play that shitty game of catch weights then we have to go to the dictionary and I don't want to read the dullest book in the history of mankind next to the New York phone book to tell me what I already know, you have to win fights with the best to be called. Champion
Well said. Picking on a handicapped man is usually resented in society, but in boxing it somehow becomes a defining moment. What utter tosh. From round 1 we saw the situation and fair play to Martinez on going that long, but shame on Cotto, who clearly knew the deal. He boxed well etc, but face a MW and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
C'mon now stumpy...Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWell said. Picking on a handicapped man is usually resented in society, but in boxing it somehow becomes a defining moment. What utter tosh. From round 1 we saw the situation and fair play to Martinez on going that long, but shame on Cotto, who clearly knew the deal. He boxed well etc, but face a MW and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pacman made a career out of picking on handicapped fighters.
At least Martinez had a LICENSE..;D
How he got that license is questionable though. Even before the KD's Martinez was badly off. I haven't seen such a decline since Ali. At least fighters like Toney had the basics to hide and delay the decline. With Martinez it was decline of the legs and thus no decent punches nor combos at any stage. It isn't because Cotto is that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneC'mon now stumpy...Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWell said. Picking on a handicapped man is usually resented in society, but in boxing it somehow becomes a defining moment. What utter tosh. From round 1 we saw the situation and fair play to Martinez on going that long, but shame on Cotto, who clearly knew the deal. He boxed well etc, but face a MW and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pacman made a career out of picking on handicapped fighters.
At least Martinez had a LICENSE..;D
Cotto is good though, but not that good. If you are asked to beat a washed up old man you will, but it isn't a best win by any shot.
I just watched the fight today.
A fan loses out so much when he already knows who's gonna win.
Anyway, completely 1-sided affair.
Cotto had such poise, so well-composed, calmly sticking to the gameplan which was working. Fought with passion and energy, but cool-headed. Not wild.
Martinez was just kind of floundering around with no answers as to what to do when faced with superior technical skills.
And he's lost his punch resistance.
When a guy's style is dependent on speed and athleticism, but can't really box and hasn't learned the technical aspects, once some of that speed goes, well, it's too late to learn how to box correctly then. Too old to learn now.
There's been far worse beatings where the fight wasn't stopped.
Still, dude was down 3 times in rd 1; that's tremendous unseen damage in his brain took place there. You don't want to play around with that. Good stoppage.Each rd, Martinez was taking more punishment than the rd before. He never recovered from the 1st rd damage.
Martinez was a Good Champion.
On Saturday night, it was hard to believe this was the same guy that cold-konked Paul Williams cold and beat up Pavlik not too long ago.
Mediocre ref.
This was Cotto's shining moment.
How does this reflect poorly on Cotto?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWell said. Picking on a handicapped man is usually resented in society, but in boxing it somehow becomes a defining moment. What utter tosh. From round 1 we saw the situation and fair play to Martinez on going that long, but shame on Cotto, who clearly knew the deal. He boxed well etc, but face a MW and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Did Cotto force "handicapped" Martinez to fight him? I'm pretty sure Martinez chose to be there. I saw the interviews and shows leading up to the fight where Martinez says he's 100% ready and healthy. I saw his trainers and coaches all say he's ready for the fight and that he would win the fight easy. That he was much better than Cotto and Roach.
So how is it Cotto's fault if Martinez misrepresented himself? If Martinez and his trainers and his coaches and his promoter all lied and mislead people into believing he was healthy when he was in fact "handicapped". Why would you say "fair play to Martinez" but "shame on Cotto"?!?!
How stupid are some of you?
Could someone explain how Cotto is to blame for Martinez poor decision making?
Ive been watching videos of Martinez training for cotto and he moves around fine maybe he had a bad knee but if someone can train for months on a bad knee I don't see how the day of the fight it all goes wrong. Maybe it was his knee but he did get hurt and dropped three times in the first round then said he never recovered and that's why he lost. If it was his knee bothering him I think he would've admitted it or at least said something about it but he said nothing about it at all and was moving the whole fight. Congrats to cotto and I hope Freddie can get the best out of him cuz he is in the best shape I've seen him since his 140/ early 147 days.
you had no complaints when Hatton took on Tszyu or Castillo or when Calzaghe finally decided to take on Jones, take that shit somewhere else budQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow he got that license is questionable though. Even before the KD's Martinez was badly off. I haven't seen such a decline since Ali. At least fighters like Toney had the basics to hide and delay the decline. With Martinez it was decline of the legs and thus no decent punches nor combos at any stage. It isn't because Cotto is that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneC'mon now stumpy...Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWell said. Picking on a handicapped man is usually resented in society, but in boxing it somehow becomes a defining moment. What utter tosh. From round 1 we saw the situation and fair play to Martinez on going that long, but shame on Cotto, who clearly knew the deal. He boxed well etc, but face a MW and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pacman made a career out of picking on handicapped fighters.
At least Martinez had a LICENSE..;D
Cotto is good though, but not that good. If you are asked to beat a washed up old man you will, but it isn't a best win by any shot.
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Originally Posted by bradlee180
Let us also remember some further words from the immortal Ric Flair:
"Bein THE MAN and stayin THE MAN are two different things. WOOOOOOOOO!"
Wasn't Martinez the betting favorite... Cotto and Roach get the credit they deserve.. .Fighters can get old over night, that doesn't take away anything from the winner. That's boxing, don't we have enough to bitch about. So now we're gonna add this.
Credit Roach for getting Cotto back to being a balanced boxer/puncher
Credit Cotto for not hanging it up and sticking to his gameplan and becoming the first PR to win 4 titles in dif. div.
Tip your hat off to Martinez for attempting to fight after the 1st round slaughter.
Case is closed.
Lets move forward to all the other screwed up things in professional boxing. :)
1 thing I have always respected about you was that you are consistent in your arguments, whether it be boxing or politics. Much respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWell said. Picking on a handicapped man is usually resented in society, but in boxing it somehow becomes a defining moment. What utter tosh. From round 1 we saw the situation and fair play to Martinez on going that long, but shame on Cotto, who clearly knew the deal. He boxed well etc, but face a MW and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
The hypocrites here are hailing this as some massive achievement by Cotto by fighting at a catchweight for a title, but hailed other fighters as cherry picking cowards for doing the same thing. No bullshit hypocrisy from you. Much respect.
You boy Pacman beat on fighters in worse shape than Sergio...then he drained them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHow he got that license is questionable though. Even before the KD's Martinez was badly off. I haven't seen such a decline since Ali. At least fighters like Toney had the basics to hide and delay the decline. With Martinez it was decline of the legs and thus no decent punches nor combos at any stage. It isn't because Cotto is that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneC'mon now stumpy...Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWell said. Picking on a handicapped man is usually resented in society, but in boxing it somehow becomes a defining moment. What utter tosh. From round 1 we saw the situation and fair play to Martinez on going that long, but shame on Cotto, who clearly knew the deal. He boxed well etc, but face a MW and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pacman made a career out of picking on handicapped fighters.
At least Martinez had a LICENSE..;D
Cotto is good though, but not that good. If you are asked to beat a washed up old man you will, but it isn't a best win by any shot.
he didn't take Martinez on at a weight he hadn't fought in in ten years where he was drained so bad he needed to be re hydrated with an IV then go on to hail it as one of his greatest wins =/ apples and oranges buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog1 thing I have always respected about you was that you are consistent in your arguments, whether it be boxing or politics. Much respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWell said. Picking on a handicapped man is usually resented in society, but in boxing it somehow becomes a defining moment. What utter tosh. From round 1 we saw the situation and fair play to Martinez on going that long, but shame on Cotto, who clearly knew the deal. He boxed well etc, but face a MW and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
The hypocrites here are hailing this as some massive achievement by Cotto by fighting at a catchweight for a title, but hailed other fighters as cherry picking cowards for doing the same thing. No bullshit hypocrisy from you. Much respect.
keep schooling them..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe didn't take Martinez on at a weight he hadn't fought in in ten years where he was drained so bad he needed to be re hydrated with an IV then go on to hail it as one of his greatest wins =/ apples and oranges buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog1 thing I have always respected about you was that you are consistent in your arguments, whether it be boxing or politics. Much respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWell said. Picking on a handicapped man is usually resented in society, but in boxing it somehow becomes a defining moment. What utter tosh. From round 1 we saw the situation and fair play to Martinez on going that long, but shame on Cotto, who clearly knew the deal. He boxed well etc, but face a MW and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
The hypocrites here are hailing this as some massive achievement by Cotto by fighting at a catchweight for a title, but hailed other fighters as cherry picking cowards for doing the same thing. No bullshit hypocrisy from you. Much respect.