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one of the reasons I love Hopkins/Pavlik, perfect example, they just kept asking how Pavlik was going to win, by KO? or Decision?, Hopkins schooled the younger guy and then his reaction after was just something out of a movie, when he went on the ropes and stared down the press who gave him ZERO chance to winQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
agreed, he failed to see Pavlik's limitations and made the mistake of putting him in there with a technically superior fighter, thing is that was one of Hopkins' cleanest performances as well, nothing really dirty going on in that fightQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedThat was a great fight for Hopkins and a real eye opener for a lot of us, me included.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesone of the reasons I love Hopkins/Pavlik, perfect example, they just kept asking how Pavlik was going to win, by KO? or Decision?, Hopkins schooled the younger guy and then his reaction after was just something out of a movie, when he went on the ropes and stared down the press who gave him ZERO chance to winQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
I'm not trying to take anything away from Hopkins' performance when I say, part of the blame for that fight belongs in Pavlik's trainer.
[QUOTE=beenKOed;1253418]That was a great fight for Hopkins and a real eye opener for a lot of us, me included.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesone of the reasons I love Hopkins/Pavlik, perfect example, they just kept asking how Pavlik was going to win, by KO? or Decision?, Hopkins schooled the younger guy and then his reaction after was just something out of a movie, when he went on the ropes and stared down the press who gave him ZERO chance to winQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
I'm not trying to take anything away from Hopkins' performance when I say, most of the blame for that loss belongs to Pavlik's trainer. Not only was he looking past Hopkins he had Pavlik looking past him too.
One of the things I remember most about that fight is Pavlik's trainer saying, it's not if Kelly KOs Hopkins, it's what round he KOs Hopkins.
Hopkins is a tough fight for any fighter but when you have a trusted advisor pumping you full of BS it's adds up to doom. IMO
[QUOTE=beenKOed;1253429]part of the reason why his fall from grace affected him so badly, the ass whooping Hopkins gave him made him look like a 2nd tier fighter, even though he was the Middleweight champ he was made to look like a clown, when the closest guy to you builds you up so much and then you crash and fall, it takes a big toll on your confidence, Pavlik never recuperatedQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedThat was a great fight for Hopkins and a real eye opener for a lot of us, me included.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesone of the reasons I love Hopkins/Pavlik, perfect example, they just kept asking how Pavlik was going to win, by KO? or Decision?, Hopkins schooled the younger guy and then his reaction after was just something out of a movie, when he went on the ropes and stared down the press who gave him ZERO chance to winQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
I'm not trying to take anything away from Hopkins' performance when I say, most of the blame for that loss belongs to Pavlik's trainer. Not only was he looking past Hopkins he had Pavlik looking past him too.
One of the things I remember most about that fight is Pavlik's trainer saying, it's not if Kelly KOs Hopkins, it's what round he KOs Hopkins.
Hopkins is a tough fight for any fighter but when you have a trusted advisor pumping you full of BS it's adds up to doom. IMO
Fights with fighters that don't quit. Except for "No Más". there are always ecxeptions.
Some of my favorite types:
1) Complete, professional performances where one fighter puts on a brilliant display in every aspect of the sport. Think Hop vs Tito or Floyd vs Hatton. Fighting inside n out, center of the ring, going to the body, combo punching, off the ropes..etc.
2) blood n guts grudge matches. Examples would be Hagler-Hearns, Barrera-Moales, Chico vs. Castillo.
3) come from behind upsets. Foreman vs. Moorer. Castro vs Jackson. JCC vs Taylor...etc.
I know I use the words "ebb" and "flow" a lot... but those are precisely the types of fights I like. Where fighters take turns dominating and taking parts of fights. Back and forth, back and forth. Examples that come to mind are Ali-Frazier III, Leonard-Hearns I, Corrales-Castillo, and some others.