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Well we are debating this subject, and guess what I never felt like beheading anyone , to
get a point across, we must all remember we may disagree.
But I am sure we can agree ON ONE THING, we can not allow theses people to return back
to there country's , they have to answer for there crimes.
I would want them to return, so they can answer for their potential crimes. And if it is shown to be 'war crimes', they can always be sent to The Hague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
A solution could be if the will is there, to throw money at the civilians. If you are a local shop keeper for instance, and your business is going down the toilet because of the war, and IS are offering you $600 a month to fight for them, or else they could slaughter you and your family, what are you going to do?
But what if the Developed world offered you an opportunity to rebuild your shop and your village by paying your overheads and giving you a wage? At first we win over a village, then a town, then a region.
Yes it would not be easy and you would need military support, but if a plan, with clear objectives could be agreed by the UN, I would support my Countries troops entering IS territory.
They are here and as savvy recruiters who slaughter platoons of soldiers. The last thing we need are vocal already worshipped leaders festering on a domestic front in a legal system that moves at a snails pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
All theses fact are interesting, but the home grown be headers went there willingly and they areQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidI would want them to return, so they can answer for their potential crimes. And if it is shown to be 'war crimes', they can always be sent to The Hague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
A solution could be if the will is there, to throw money at the civilians. If you are a local shop keeper for instance, and your business is going down the toilet because of the war, and IS are offering you $600 a month to fight for them, or else they could slaughter you and your family, what are you going to do?
But what if the Developed world offered you an opportunity to rebuild your shop and your village by paying your overheads and giving you a wage? At first we win over a village, then a town, then a region.
Yes it would not be easy and you would need military support, but if a plan, with clear objectives could be agreed by the UN, I would support my Countries troops entering IS territory.
War criminals because they are fighting a WAR, so should be treated as such.
Yes we are dealing with a different culture , were money is everything and they have very little morels because money is there God.
But there again it's easy to make excuse's for theses people, turn your back and they would slit your
throat.
Fuck giving them money because it is only a bribe, and I don't believe in giving money to people to be your friend,! theses people are hard line Fundamentalists remember to them we are infidels.
You and I no what they think of us.!
We need to bring back the treason law and the death penilty for treason . Anyone who supports these peasants should all be removed from our English civilised society .
I will put my name forward as hangman ,and I will do it for free.
We cannot have people preaching hate on the one hand and then living amongst the very people they are targeting with the hatred.
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Originally Posted by Dia bandoAll theses fact are interesting, but the home grown be headers went there willingly and they areQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidI would want them to return, so they can answer for their potential crimes. And if it is shown to be 'war crimes', they can always be sent to The Hague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
A solution could be if the will is there, to throw money at the civilians. If you are a local shop keeper for instance, and your business is going down the toilet because of the war, and IS are offering you $600 a month to fight for them, or else they could slaughter you and your family, what are you going to do?
But what if the Developed world offered you an opportunity to rebuild your shop and your village by paying your overheads and giving you a wage? At first we win over a village, then a town, then a region.
Yes it would not be easy and you would need military support, but if a plan, with clear objectives could be agreed by the UN, I would support my Countries troops entering IS territory.
War criminals because they are fighting a WAR, so should be treated as such.
Yes we are dealing with a different culture , were money is everything and they have very little morels because money is there God.
But there again it's easy to make excuse's for theses people, turn your back and they would slit your
throat.
Fuck giving them money because it is only a bribe, and I don't believe in giving money to people to be your friend,! theses people are hard line Fundamentalists remember to them we are infidels.
You and I no what they think of us.!
I think even calling them war criminals is being a bit kind.
Personally I'd like them all killed in 'battle'. . But if they try to return here then we need to follow due process. That's why we are better than them.
You can't even call what IS are engaged in 'war'. They are murderers plain and simple.
We can't change our laws just to have them killed though if they came back. Much as I'd like them to all be dead we don't want the UK to be ruled by the law of the jungle do we?
You're right Al. They no way can live among us. But as law takes a while to pass, what would you do if you were the government now? If say 5 British Muslims that have been fighting for IS turn up back at Heathrow tomorrow? Considering the re introduction of hanging can't just happen there and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
It's a really tricky one. Personally I'd have very quick trials and life imprisonment. But on the quiet if I were the government I'd consider having them killed.
It is pointless to give them life imprisonment they can't be rehabilitated , they hate all none believers . So they must be delt with as committing treason against the crown and country. Get everyone on the same page and let's bring back the death penilty for treason only.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYou're right Al. They no way can live among us. But as law takes a while to pass, what would you do if you were the government now? If say 5 British Muslims that have been fighting for IS turn up back at Heathrow tomorrow? Considering the re introduction of hanging can't just happen there and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
It's a really tricky one. Personally I'd have very quick trials and life imprisonment. But on the quiet if I were the government I'd consider having them killed.
I couldn't give a fuck if they caught them and tortured them all to death but killing them back here wouldn't act as a deterrent, it would inspire more homegrown lunatics that do gods work therefore are promised paradise in the after life.
This isn't a short term fix , they will continue to fight their cause ,so we deal with them until the threat is over , we have to start to take a hard line approach as it is the only way we can start to deal with these ignorant religious peasants. They people would still be using catapults if the west haven't sold arms to them , what a wise move that was huh ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yeah,lets melt em down or whatever the fuck Richie does when he's at work. Pushed out of a helicopter over an open topped lava mountain would be cheaper.
This problem is not just ours, when this bunch come home I totally agree with Al , who in
there right mind wants them back.
What will theses Fundamentalists have in store for us I wonder,! there is no meds to cure
them they are beyond reason.
All this shit about being a Martyr, so what sitting there with your thumb up your ass is no
good what so ever, everybody can see what they do to people.
But one of our own as we debate this maybe beheaded by some, that are so called citizens
of this Country as well, truly appalling they are not fit to live in this Country.
We must act the death penalty, may not be a deterrent by your sure get rid of them and
we are better off without theses people.
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Originally Posted by Dia bando
Obviously no one wants them back here living freely in the UK.
As usual it isn't a case of either you want to reintroduce the death penalty on the spot or you want them living here freely.
I'd like these fuckers better dead. But that isn't the same as saying I want the death penalty reintroduced on the spot to kill them (although I totally understand that impulse).
Just because someone says we can't just kill them because we live by the rule of law (which is a good thing and why we are not savages like they are) doesn't mean they want them living here.
Edit* Who is saying they want them back Rich? I don't see anyone saying that.
They will come back we have to except it, but shall we say 300 plus or what ever turn up, weQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Obviously no one wants them back here living freely in the UK.
As usual it isn't a case of either you want to reintroduce the death penalty on the spot or you want them living here freely.
I'd like these fuckers better dead. But that isn't the same as saying I want the death penalty reintroduced on the spot to kill them (although I totally understand that impulse).
Just because someone says we can't just kill them because we live by the rule of law (which is a good thing and why we are not savages like they are) doesn't mean they want them living here.
Edit* Who is saying they want them back Rich? I don't see anyone saying that.
have to lock them up, I agree the death penalty is no deterrent but , theses are very dangerous
people, and sometimes we should look to forget about a kid glove approach which we are doing.
Ryan what the hell are we going to do with them, with any luck there will suffer a nasty horrible
death out in the middle East.
May I ask do you think we should put up with Fundamentalists, which we have done and now we
are paying the price.
Nobody in there right mind want's theses people back, but they will return then the fun starts
it's amazing how quick the government can change or bring in new laws, when it suits.
But alas they will be treated nicely and given there dignity, and privileges no hard labour for this
bunch, there only suffering will be locked up 3 meals a day a nice warm bed.:(
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Originally Posted by Dia bandoThey will come back we have to except it, but shall we say 300 plus or what ever turn up, weQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Obviously no one wants them back here living freely in the UK.
As usual it isn't a case of either you want to reintroduce the death penalty on the spot or you want them living here freely.
I'd like these fuckers better dead. But that isn't the same as saying I want the death penalty reintroduced on the spot to kill them (although I totally understand that impulse).
Just because someone says we can't just kill them because we live by the rule of law (which is a good thing and why we are not savages like they are) doesn't mean they want them living here.
Edit* Who is saying they want them back Rich? I don't see anyone saying that.
have to lock them up, I agree the death penalty is no deterrent but , theses are very dangerous
people, and sometimes we should look to forget about a kid glove approach which we are doing.
Ryan what the hell are we going to do with them, with any luck there will suffer a nasty horrible
death out in the middle East.
May I ask do you think we should put up with Fundamentalists, which we have done and now we
are paying the price.
Nobody in there right mind want's theses people back, but they will return then the fun starts
it's amazing how quick the government can change or bring in new laws, when it suits.
But alas they will be treated nicely and given there dignity, and privileges no hard labour for this
bunch, there only suffering will be locked up 3 meals a day a nice warm bed.:(
Honestly I'd like them to die.
What we are going to do with any that return is a very difficult question and honestly I don't have the answer to it.
No I don't think we should put up with Fundamentalists. Even those that have not left this country but preach hate here. I'm all for free speech but if you live in the UK and you incite hatred and call for the murder of Britons you can fuck off to prison as far as I'm concerned.
as for those returning from Syria or Iraq prison may well be too good for them but I don't know what else we can do. Unless we use their tactics and ignore the rule of law. But that is a very dangerous path to take too. Either way this is a major problem but for once I don't profess to have an answer!
Ideally they will all be killed out there.
And that's Mr Liberal Lefty saying that. Never wished death on anyone but I'll make an exception for these guys.