Re: Fighters who set traps.
Jersey Joe Walcott was a guy who learned to fight the hard way, having to fight for peanuts several times a month makes you have to get pretty good at not getting hurt.
By the time he became a contender, he was already past his best, but he was one of the cagiest, most awkward fighters I've seen - albeit only on old videos - he was brilliant and asking physical questions, setting traps and capitalising on them.
He was robbed in his first fight with Joe Louis, he draw Ezzard Charles in and onto his hook to knock him out ..... And he completely schooled and chopped up Rocky Marciano for thirteen rounds.
Re: Fighters who set traps.
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I love watching Roy's highlights but why was he fighting Glen Kelly? Jelly only had one noteworthy win in his career against a just short of 39 year old John Mugabi in Mugabis last fight. Every other significant opponent he had KOed Kelly. In the age of trinkets he never carried a major title. That fight is a travesty for ever happening. Roy Jones was so damn good he should have been fighting top guy after top guy. Not the Glen Kelly's of the world.
Not trying to dispute your opinion of Glen Kelly in the grand scheme of things, but Kelly was ranked #1 and a mandatory for the IBF strap.. He was going for his trinket. He was ranked a top guy by the IBF..(unfortunate, but its what the game was/is). If you wear the strap you have to fight these guys. Roy was defending 7 official belts and 1 unofficial belt according to this site (Roy Jones Jr. vs. Glen Kelly - BoxRec). Not sure if all the belts were sanctioned that night. But at the time where roy chased history rather than money, he had to fight that guy to keep his belt. It's not a like a garcia fighting unranked selka for the sake of trying to boost his rep after 2 mediocre performances. It's fashionable now to give up titles and chase easy money and then get out. They claim they're locked into "slave contracts" and then sign with a guy like haymon.
Re: Fighters who set traps.
Soo-Hwan Hong
WBA Bantamweight and WBA Super-Bantamweight Champion.
A brilliant fighter, who set his opponents up for 'quick explosions'.
Patiently pressed, and waited to throw a bombardment.
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Ron Swanson
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I love watching Roy's highlights but why was he fighting Glen Kelly? Jelly only had one noteworthy win in his career against a just short of 39 year old John Mugabi in Mugabis last fight. Every other significant opponent he had KOed Kelly. In the age of trinkets he never carried a major title. That fight is a travesty for ever happening. Roy Jones was so damn good he should have been fighting top guy after top guy. Not the Glen Kelly's of the world.
Not trying to dispute your opinion of Glen Kelly in the grand scheme of things, but Kelly was ranked #1 and a mandatory for the IBF strap.. He was going for his trinket. He was ranked a top guy by the IBF..(unfortunate, but its what the game was/is). If you wear the strap you have to fight these guys. Roy was defending 7 official belts and 1 unofficial belt according to this site (
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Glen Kelly - BoxRec). Not sure if all the belts were sanctioned that night. But at the time where roy chased history rather than money, he had to fight that guy to keep his belt. It's not a like a garcia fighting unranked selka for the sake of trying to boost his rep after 2 mediocre performances. It's fashionable now to give up titles and chase easy money and then get out. They claim they're locked into "slave contracts" and then sign with a guy like haymon.
Not trying to change fighters in this thread- but rather-attempting to validate your argument when a fighter is chasing history.
Bhop did the same and fought someone named Morrade Hakkar...or faced being stripped of his title.
That is how I saw this fight RJJ had wth Kelly: fight a no-hoper who is ranked, or get stripped.
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Jersey Joe Walcott was a guy who learned to fight the hard way, having to fight for peanuts several times a month makes you have to get pretty good at not getting hurt.
By the time he became a contender, he was already past his best, but he was one of the cagiest, most awkward fighters I've seen - albeit only on old videos - he was brilliant and asking physical questions, setting traps and capitalising on them.
He was robbed in his first fight with Joe Louis, he draw Ezzard Charles in and onto his hook to knock him out ..... And he completely schooled and chopped up Rocky Marciano for thirteen rounds.
Good call.
I remember Bhop bringing up Jerse Joe's name after the Winky Wright fight & was asked about a very cagey move he did to sucker Winky.
It looked like Hop wanted to turn away, then he turned 1/2 way & caught Winky with what Bhop termed: The Jersey-Joe-Walcott-Shovel-Hook ...;D
Re: Fighters who set traps.
Floyd Mayweather!! sets up boxing events where other opponents believe they can actually win. but....even if the fighters do win, they are robbed. Castillo 1 and Maidana 1. to Floyds credit tho, those two are the only ones to beat him.
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I love watching Roy's highlights but why was he fighting Glen Kelly? Jelly only had one noteworthy win in his career against a just short of 39 year old John Mugabi in Mugabis last fight. Every other significant opponent he had KOed Kelly. In the age of trinkets he never carried a major title. That fight is a travesty for ever happening. Roy Jones was so damn good he should have been fighting top guy after top guy. Not the Glen Kelly's of the world.
Not trying to dispute your opinion of Glen Kelly in the grand scheme of things, but Kelly was ranked #1 and a mandatory for the IBF strap.. He was going for his trinket. He was ranked a top guy by the IBF..(unfortunate, but its what the game was/is). If you wear the strap you have to fight these guys. Roy was defending 7 official belts and 1 unofficial belt according to this site (
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Glen Kelly - BoxRec). Not sure if all the belts were sanctioned that night. But at the time where roy chased history rather than money, he had to fight that guy to keep his belt. It's not a like a garcia fighting unranked selka for the sake of trying to boost his rep after 2 mediocre performances. It's fashionable now to give up titles and chase easy money and then get out. They claim they're locked into "slave contracts" and then sign with a guy like haymon.
Half the rankings make absolutely no sense though. For instance last month the WBC had Devon Alexander number 21 in the welterweight division and they don't rank other title holders. How the hell would Devon be that low? And how does Amir get credit by them if they rank Devon so low?
Being a mandatory doesn't mean you've earned the place or are good enough to be in that place.
Understand I'm not trying to have a dig at Roy. I'm saying he is such a tremendous talent he should have fought all the top guys at 160 then 168, then 175, then cruiser. Not the guys that are placed at the top for God knows why but the guys we all know are good like Benn, G-man, DM, Calzaghe etcetera. Roy should have fought them all because he was that special
Nah, perfectly understood. I would have loved to see him work his magic on the above fighters but really Benn is the only guy who i think had something roy could have wanted at the time when they were at the same weight or as Roy was passing through super middle. Another thing to consider is once Roy unified, wow many of those guys came over to challenge the man at the weight? G-Man was the only US fighter and was gone by that point from the fight with Benn, even though I think they were friends or something and had something against fight one another.
Thing about a guy like Glen Kelly, he came over to fight because he wanted what Roy had. He didnt wait for Roy to age or get slow or ko'd by a few other people. Roy was notorious for not wanting to travel after being ripped off in the Olympics. Justified or unjustified... it was the deal. There's a greater likely hood of those fights coming off if they snatched up all the titles and left Roy floating in contender-ship. You can't have a guy be the unified WBA, IBF, WBC, WBO, ETC ETC ECT champion and then having him fly all over the world to offer shots to guys in their backyards for the sake of being mr. generosity. Being a champ then meant more than it does now.
A guy like Floyd or Garcia or other haymon fighters don't see championships now. they see sanctioning fees they don't want to pay to people who want to dictate to them. The only reason guys like Floyd keep belts now is for equalizers at the bargaining table. Really it appears that the only fighters who still respect (rightfully or not--partly the sanctioning bodys faults-wbc, diamond bull$h*t and wba superchampion nonsense) are non american fighters. Kovalev, the klits, Canelo, maybe froch.. how many other guys have utter the word unify.. in terms of what they wanted next.
