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I get derided for what I am about to say, but I understand: SRL was overated as a boxer, but under rated as a brawler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
He had to fight to beat Benitez, Hearns & even lalonde. Rarely did he outbox his foes. I guess because he was the heir to the so-called great Ali- pretty boy who was articulate, he was misconstrued as the consummate boxer. He could crack & he could take it.
Speed, Movement and Fast-Hands really bothered Marvin Hagler.
See his 1st-Bout with Willie 'The Worm' Monroe, who gave Marvin an 'old fashioned'
ass-whipping in Philadelphia.
Damn near won every Round, and had Marvin talking to himself.
One thing for sure: Hagler is, was and will be a very insecure guy
I like to use Hagler as a counter example when people put too much hope in boxing like
self development tool, boxing develops confidence, etc. Bullshit. Look at Hagler, yea, he was
a tough motherf..cker, but confident? never
I'll do better, I promise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomI think you're on to something.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Excellent analysis.........
But you did spell .... H-A-G-L-E-R ... incorrectly, so you lose 'points' on the above statement.
I feel like Hagler won the fight, but was robbed on the scorecards. That being said, I feel a few factors resulted in aray lasting the whole fight and putting on a performance that at least kept the fight close.
1. Hagler was always a slow starter (with the exception of the Hearns fight), usually taking the first few rounds to figure his opponent out before stepping on the gas and dominating late. He failed to adjust his pace for the 12 round limit.
2. Hagler's ego was legendary, and that hurt him in numerous ways. He wanted to prove that he was so superior to Ray and decided to outbox him from a conventional stance (and failed). He also anticipated an easy night due to Leonard being smaller and shot. Finally, he gave Leonard every demand that mattered (ring, glove size...etc), because he demanded the larger purse as champ.
3. Marvin was past his best, and had left a lot of himself in the ring vs Hearns and Mugabi. Ray fought a brilliant fight and capitalized though, so he does deserve a ton of credit for his performance that night.
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Originally Posted by beenKOedI'll do better, I promise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomI think you're on to something.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Excellent analysis.........
But you did spell .... H-A-G-L-E-R ... incorrectly, so you lose 'points' on the above statement.
I'm a huge Hagler fan but I don't know if you can call robbery either way. Personally I had it a draw at 6 rounds apiece but it could easily be argued 115-113 for either guy. I think it was way too close of a fight to call robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Hagler's reaction prior to the decision was a clear indicator that he felt he may have lost the fight. Even Leonard mentioned it as well. Hagler started doing a Fred Astaire routine after the bell sounded. Very strangely uncharacteristic of him. As if he was trying to convince himself that he won and deflecting his worries by dancing. That's how I saw it.
All of his 'I was robbed' talk afterwards was to protect his ego. Deep down he knows he lost and Leonard knows that he knows. It's probably eating at Hagler to this day.
Marvin Hagler
Upon hearing the Decision in Las Vegas.
"You mean I lost. Only in Las Vegas."
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Leonard was a quality boxer who could dig deep and brawl with the best. Leonard had a great chin and he could adjust his style to a brawler if required.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeI get derided for what I am about to say, but I understand: SRL was overated as a boxer, but under rated as a brawler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
He had to fight to beat Benitez, Hearns & even lalonde. Rarely did he outbox his foes. I guess because he was the heir to the so-called great Ali- pretty boy who was articulate, he was misconstrued as the consummate boxer. He could crack & he could take it.
What do you think of his fight with Bennie Brisco. I was shocked to see Haglar back peddling & moving. Something very rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Hagler was a boxer when he was younger and maybe Briscoe was intimidating so Marvin out boxed him instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeWhat do you think of his fight with Bennie Brisco. I was shocked to see Haglar back peddling & moving. Something very rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Marvin won with 'room-to-spare'.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeWhat do you think of his fight with Bennie Brisco. I was shocked to see Haglar back peddling & moving. Something very rare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
But Bennie made Marvin work hard for the win.
Don't forget about the 'head-butt' that opened a cut over Marvin's eye. Marvin had to
re-adjust his style after that.
If you could back him up (and few could), he had issues. Duran did it and almost beat him