Floyd's resume.

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

Floyd has a great resume, just not an ATG resume. The Chico, Castillo, and Hatton fights were his best performances, in my opinion. Chico and Hatton were undefeated when he fought them, and both were p4p guys that he stopped. Castillo was just hitting his groove and a very underrated and outstanding champ who probably should've won the first fight, but was dominated in the rematch.

The Canelo, Baldomir, and Pac wins were all very good wins. Canelo was a much larger man, but his lack of experience keeps this out of the great category for me. Baldy was a lineal champ and was HUGE for 147, while Floyd was coming up and much smaller. Baldy was a limited guy however, so Floyd boxing to a decision wasn't great or unexpected. I feel like the Apache fight is the same whenever they fight, but Pacs deterioration keeps that win out of the great category for me.

The Genaro/Famoso Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Gatti, Oscar, Judah, Maidana, Jesus Chavez, Cotto and Mosely fights were all solid performances and wins. I thought the Bruseles and JMM fights were classless displays, and I feel the Berto fight on PPV is a joke. Over all that is a great resume.

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Canelo lack of experience and pacs deterioration...what a load of bollocks!

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Originally Posted by Master

His CV is good but lets not drool over it. For what he earns he should have fought GGG by now.

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GGG is nothing special until he steps up and beats ward rather than picking on the small guys.

Floyd is tiny and has proved that taking punishment is for rocky fans and being smart and skilled keeps you winning.

Sorry guys,

But give me a highlight reel that compares to this one.

Even the music sounds good..

This is all you need to know about this man.

No other fighter makes these fighters look this easy.

No one can could hate on this video..

http://youtu.be/bQYeSXpC244

one of the best resumes I've seen or read about wins over guys like Maidaina, who isn't classed as a good win for Floyd is a guy like Khan's best win. Wins over guys like Corrales, Gatti and Hatton are great wins let alone Cotto, Mosley, Canelo and Pac it's a true standout resume and to do it all with no loses is amazing. moving up five weight classes is a great accomplishment that very few match with the exception of Pac an amazingly talented fighter like Glolovkin is weary to move up one. another classic boxer like Rigo has only moved up what two or three?

People say Floyd has never fought an ATG in their prime. Well, other than Pacquiao, what ATGs were there? Margarito? Cintron? Clottey? Williams?

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

Canelo was a much larger man, but his lack of experience keeps this out of the great category for me.

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Lack of experience? He had 43 fights, he was the champion of the division for over 2 years, had defended his title 6 or 7 times, had gone the full 12 round distance 5 times.

He had seen a ton of different styles from a lot of grizzled vets, had been in there with an ATG in Mosley (a washed up Mosley, yes, but Mosley) and just had a tough battle where he had to dig deep against a slick southpaw who had just beat the hell out of Miguel Cotto.


Canelo had a TON of experience for his age.

And right after the Floyd loss, Canelo rose back up to the #1 position in the division by beating Lara, a guy who was considered one of the best talents in boxing and a guy people accused Floyd of ducking.

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A ton of experience FOR HIS AGE. Canelo struggled with both Trout and Lara due to their speed, boxing ability and slickness. In other words, he was made for Floyd stylistically. As for experience, there is a difference between fighting a lot of fights vs questionable opposition, and fighting at the world class level. Canelo is still pretty green. Compare him to Oba Carr during his prime years. Buddy McGirt during his prime years. If you are honest you admit that he was very young and limited and it showed in the ring vs Floyd. Again, keep it in perspective that I label this a very good win, just not a great one. No way can you compare Floyd's beat down of Chico, a truly great win, to his decision over a gun shy Canelo.

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Originally Posted by imp

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

Floyd has a great resume, just not an ATG resume. The Chico, Castillo, and Hatton fights were his best performances, in my opinion. Chico and Hatton were undefeated when he fought them, and both were p4p guys that he stopped. Castillo was just hitting his groove and a very underrated and outstanding champ who probably should've won the first fight, but was dominated in the rematch.

The Canelo, Baldomir, and Pac wins were all very good wins. Canelo was a much larger man, but his lack of experience keeps this out of the great category for me. Baldy was a lineal champ and was HUGE for 147, while Floyd was coming up and much smaller. Baldy was a limited guy however, so Floyd boxing to a decision wasn't great or unexpected. I feel like the Apache fight is the same whenever they fight, but Pacs deterioration keeps that win out of the great category for me.

The Genaro/Famoso Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Gatti, Oscar, Judah, Maidana, Jesus Chavez, Cotto and Mosely fights were all solid performances and wins. I thought the Bruseles and JMM fights were classless displays, and I feel the Berto fight on PPV is a joke. Over all that is a great resume.

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Canelo lack of experience and pacs deterioration...what a load of bollocks!

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Are you insinuating that Pac was in his prime when they fought?!?!? You're saying the 2015 Pac was the same as the 2008-2012 Pac?!?!? Talk about a Floyd chugger...

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

A ton of experience FOR HIS AGE. Canelo struggled with both Trout and Lara due to their speed, boxing ability and slickness. In other words, he was made for Floyd stylistically. As for experience, there is a difference between fighting a lot of fights vs questionable opposition, and fighting at the world class level. Canelo is still pretty green. Compare him to Oba Carr during his prime years. Buddy McGirt during his prime years. If you are honest you admit that he was very young and limited and it showed in the ring vs Floyd. Again, keep it in perspective that I label this a very good win, just not a great one. No way can you compare Floyd's beat down of Chico, a truly great win, to his decision over a gun shy Canelo.

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How much experience did he need before he went up against Floyd, though? He had championship level experience, like I said he went the 12 round distance 5 times, and was in there with some grizzled vets and an ATG in Shane Mosley. What more experience did he need?

When it comes to Floyd people say "oh all he did is fight old guys past their prime." In Canelo he beat a 23 year old guy in his physical prime who had a lot of experience and 25 plus pounds on Floyd on fight night, and that's not a great win?

If outboxing Canelo is so easy, how come Erislandy Lara couldn't? He's considered one of the greatest pure boxers in the sport, he's much bigger than Floyd, he's taller, he has a bigger reach, he has more power... yet he couldn't beat Canelo. Even if people think Lara deserved the nod, it was still a razor close fight. Floyd didn't edge Canelo, he dominated and embarrassed him.

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

A ton of experience FOR HIS AGE. Canelo struggled with both Trout and Lara due to their speed, boxing ability and slickness. In other words, he was made for Floyd stylistically. As for experience, there is a difference between fighting a lot of fights vs questionable opposition, and fighting at the world class level. Canelo is still pretty green. Compare him to Oba Carr during his prime years. Buddy McGirt during his prime years. If you are honest you admit that he was very young and limited and it showed in the ring vs Floyd. Again, keep it in perspective that I label this a very good win, just not a great one. No way can you compare Floyd's beat down of Chico, a truly great win, to his decision over a gun shy Canelo.

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How much experience did he need before he went up against Floyd, though? He had championship level experience, like I said he went the 12 round distance 5 times, and was in there with some grizzled vets and an ATG in Shane Mosley. What more experience did he need?

When it comes to Floyd people say "oh all he did is fight old guys past their prime." In Canelo he beat a 23 year old guy in his physical prime who had a lot of experience and 25 plus pounds on Floyd on fight night, and that's not a great win?

If outboxing Canelo is so easy, how come Erislandy Lara couldn't? He's considered one of the greatest pure boxers in the sport, he's much bigger than Floyd, he's taller, he has a bigger reach, he has more power... yet he couldn't beat Canelo. Even if people think Lara deserved the nod, it was still a razor close fight. Floyd didn't edge Canelo, he dominated and embarrassed him.

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Dot think it was, I say it's a very good win for Floyd. Was Canelos first big fight at that level and as I said, he was young and inexperienced at that level and it showed in the fight. Doesn't compare to where Chico, Hatton and Castillo were when Floyd fought them. Those guys were ready and at their Zenith, Canelo is still learning as rising. Also, I remember the Lara fight being extremely close and Canelo looking equally awkward and ineffective in that one, so I don't think that really makes ur point for u.

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

Dot think it was, I say it's a very good win for Floyd. Was Canelos first big fight at that level and as I said, he was young and inexperienced at that level and it showed in the fight. Doesn't compare to where Chico, Hatton and Castillo were when Floyd fought them. Those guys were ready and at their Zenith, Canelo is still learning as rising. Also, I remember the Lara fight being extremely close and Canelo looking equally awkward and ineffective in that one, so I don't think that really makes ur point for u.

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1. What shortcomings Canelo displayed in that fight would you attribute to inexperience as opposed to the skill-level difference, and at what point would Canelo be "experienced" enough to fight Mayweather (how many years, how many fights, who would he have to fight, ect)?

2. "Also, I remember the Lara fight being extremely close and Canelo looking equally awkward and ineffective in that one, so I don't think that really makes ur point for u."

Yeah, if you re-read my post you'll see I acknowledged it was razor close. My point was that the much larger master boxer Lara was unable to cleanly outbox Canelo as Floyd did, so it illustrates my point quite well.

I am not a Floyd fan but considering his strategies and the climb from division to division and the fact that he did his homework and the champions he fought at this particular time his resume is good. The only thing that ruins a fighter's resume and style is that he is not what everyone expects him to be. I do not feel as though he is an all time great. He has done great things and that is the difference. He is always in reasonable shape when he is not in training and his personality at least 89% of the time sucks rotten eggs which has nothing to do with his abilities and so far unless his spending habits outside the ring fucks him and his accomplishments are forgotten his resume has good names. Has he ever had to fight hard? Ask Castillo, ask Cotto and for a few good round ask Maidana just as a couple of examples no one has easy nights all the time but face it you only have so many good opponents. The reason I shy away from ATG is the definition has left the term long ago because when someone is great, he has no comparison. Competition is what this is about and new methods to an old sport brought by the next so called ATG. I am not going to beat around the bush. I was in a classroom with a motivator once and he said, "When you think you have arrived look over your shoulder." I purposely left out a few words at the end because you guys are intelligent and you analyze it all the time Loyd's resume has to be looked at closer to appreciate it and he is good but I am not a fan but his fights interest me and his style is definitely one to be studied or he can cure your insomnia.

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Originally Posted by VG_Addict

People say Floyd has never fought an ATG in their prime. Well, other than Pacquiao, what ATGs were there? Margarito? Cintron? Clottey? Williams?

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Tszyu, maybe Wright (he walked away from that fight) :(, Hopkins, Ward, Martinez at a stretch

It's not that he never fought ATG's, he never cleaned out divisions or dared to challenge himself :p Freitas, Casamayor at 130, Spadafora, Dorin at 135, Tszyu at 140, Spinks, Cotto, Margaritio, Williams, Pacquiao at 147 (when it mattered) :p, Martinez was creaming for a fight ;) just like Golovkin is now ;)

Mayweather can't be blamed for all those fights not happening but some have them should have :mad: when your the best fighter in the world you should seek the best challenges. Especially if you have the nerve to call yourself TBE :-X

Mayweather's refusal to challenge himself at 160 or above; when other great fighters who started out at lower weights than him have done so is all you need to know to see his claim to TBE is total bogus :-X

It's his own faults, he put that TBE cap on his head and made outrageous claims. If he hadn't of done that know one would give a sh-t. He is a great fighter just not TBE ;D

Floyd's career has been very carefully maneuvered :-X

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Originally Posted by La Cucaracha

Tszyu, maybe Wright (he walked away from that fight) :(, Hopkins, Ward, Martinez at a stretch

It's not that he never fought ATG's, he never cleaned out divisions or dared to challenge himself :p Freitas, Casamayor at 130, Spadafora, Dorin at 135, Tszyu at 140, Spinks, Cotto, Margaritio, Williams, Pacquiao at 147 (when it mattered) :p, Martinez was creaming for a fight ;) just like Golovkin is now ;)

Mayweather can't be blamed for all those fights not happening but some have them should have :mad: when your the best fighter in the world you should seek the best challenges. Especially if you have the nerve to call yourself TBE :-X

Mayweather's refusal to challenge himself at 160 or above; when other great fighters who started out at lower weights than him have done so is all you need to know to see his claim to TBE is total bogus :-X

It's his own faults, he put that TBE cap on his head and made outrageous claims. If he hadn't of done that know one would give a sh-t. He is a great fighter just not TBE ;D

Floyd's career has been very carefully maneuvered :-X

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Said it before, will say it again: Floyd did not come into the world of boxing holding all the cards.

For the vast majority of his career, he was an ultra talented guy with very little name value, who couldn't draw jack shit, which meant most fighters were not in a hurry to fight him. He didn't have the pull to make these guys fight him.

He called out the majority of the guys you mentioned. He called out a 154lb Oscar when he was fighting at 135 - Oscar turned it down, saying he had nothing to gain taking that fight. He called out Mosley at 135 - Shane chose instead to move up to 147 and fight Oscar for the big money. Can't blame Mosley for doing that, and can't blame Floyd for the fight not happening.

Little known fact as well: Floyd was scheduled to fight Spadafora at MSG but the New York Athletic Commission put the kibosh on that after Paul was charged with shooting his pregnant finance.

Like I said Floyd is not to blame for all those fights not happening, the Wright fight was all but signed then he wanted more money and bailed on Arum :( Floyd was going to jump from 140 to face Wright who had just beaten Trinidad at a catch weight of 154 ;) that would have been a fantastic move :D

The Cotto fight, he should have done everything to make that fight instead of retiring :-\ sure there is talk that Cotto didn't want it then but flash the right price and the fight gets made no doubt ;)

Pacquiao :-\ didn't want testing? F-ck him, most thought Floyd would have beaten him but they were the 2 best in the sport at the time. Fight him, beat him and the rest is history :)

Martinez, Ward and Golovkin made ridiculous offers to drop weight for an opportunity but Floyd need to secure victories over the Ortiz', Guerrero's and Berto's of the game :-X

No one is saying Floyd ain't great but some one should tell him to take that cap off his head cause the dude is just playing himself ;D All the money in the world won't change the fact that he will never be TBE :-X

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Originally Posted by La Cucaracha

All the money in the world won't change the fact that he will never be TBE :-X

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A lot of people say that, but they never give any good reasons as to why that is.

Given Floyd's skill set, ring intelligence and resume, I've never read a good reason as to why he's not at least in the discussion.

People talk about this fight and that fight that could have happened, but the reality is there's no champ in history who fought every tough fight he could have. Ray Robinson never fought Murder's Row and the many tough black fighters that had no connections and couldn't get past the smokers.