Re: Naz-vs-today's featherweight champs - Loma/Walters/Selby/Russell jr. Fact.
He never ruled anything and the Broner comparison was based on how they think of themselves. This belief that all they have to do is show up and specifically in Hameds case he got that way by being fed a steady supply of no hopers. Kevin Kelly and Augie Sanchez were not world beaters and they both almost planked him. The first time he meets some grade A beef in Mab he gets trounced and then quits. Same thing happened to one of his hypothetical opponents save quitting. Russell was fed a steady diet of professional opponents and and got a false sense of security by his enablers. He was unprepared because he most likely prepared the same way as he did for the others. Just another day at the office against Loma was not good preparation. As talented, unorthodox and power punching as he was, I think Hamed lacked the crucial element upstairs to handle the adversity posed by the elites. I think the way he exited actually proves that.
Re: Naz-vs-today's featherweight champs - Loma/Walters/Selby/Russell jr. Fact.
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Fenster
It was 15 years ago (15 for funks sake) today/yesterday that Naz stretchered poor Augie Sanchez out of the ring. Naz was a delusional toby by this stage but the punching power was still savagely violent.
Does anyone think the four current belt holders would have made it past 6 rounds? Personally I reckon Loma could make the 5th? The other three are lucky to see the 4th.
What say you?
Naz's power covered up a lot of flaws he had. I see all four of the current champs given Naz hell. The best way to look at is to ask yourself : Who was the best guy that Naz beat ? Tom Johnson ? Maybe. A slightly past it Kevin Kelley ? Maybe.
Now would the Kelley that Naz fought or the Johnson that Naz fought, beat any of today's featherweight champ's ? I don't think so.
The first A* fighter who was in prime that Naz fought was M.A.B and he got beat. Now M.A.B did not outclass Naz or even badly hurt him, but it was as a clear victory and one that would have been repeated in a rematch.
If Naz had carried on he would have more than likely ran into an up and coming Pac-Man, Juan Marquez or Eric Moralez and if he would have moved up in weight some guy called Floyd Mayweather would have been waiting.
Because Naz never fought those people (The Elites) People think higher of Naz than they ought to.
People look back and have short memories of Naz. I remember the Naz who struggled to beat Paul Ingle, who went the distance with Wayne McCullough.
I think Naz's induction into the hall of fame is dubious to say the least.
HOF?
Whoever said anything about HOF?
It would be ironic, however, if they had a vote on the matter and, just before they got ready to announce the results.........
The voters all got up and went home, never to be seen again.
Re: Naz-vs-today's featherweight champs - Loma/Walters/Selby/Russell jr. Fact.
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I'm not having Naz slung in with Broner. Naz is in the HOF because he not only was a brilliant showman/exciting fighter but also cleaned out and ruled the featherweight division in his era.
Broner wont ever be making the HOF (unless they make a new category -- Greatest fighter to watch getting an arse whooping).
You know damn well that isn't true. Naz's own people had no qualms admitting they wanted no part of Marquez
Is that the same Marquez that admitted he wanted no part of Naz when he was offered a career high payday?
Re: Naz-vs-today's featherweight champs - Loma/Walters/Selby/Russell jr. Fact.
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He never ruled anything
Naz world title reign was between 1995 and 2001. During those six years he become the lineal champion - beating Vazquez who was stripped of the WBA title before the fight - the WBO, WBC and IBF champ.
Here's how The Ring ranked Naz during his era.
1995 - He was no.5 -- Tom Johnson was no.1
1996 - He was no.3 -- Tom Johnson was no.1
1997 - He was no.1 -- (This is the year he knocked out the no.1 Tom Johnson)
1998 - He was no.1
1999 - He was no.1
2000 - He was no.1
He was the best featherweight during his time. These days fans cream their pants whenever unification match-ups are made, Naz sought out all the other champions and took their titles. And that's the truth ruth.
Re: Naz-vs-today's featherweight champs - Loma/Walters/Selby/Russell jr. Fact.
Loma outpoints him as Barrera did , Walters knocks him out in a pick em fight.
Re: Naz-vs-today's featherweight champs - Loma/Walters/Selby/Russell jr. Fact.
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Fenster
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IamInuit
He never ruled anything
Naz world title reign was between 1995 and 2001. During those six years he become the lineal champion - beating Vazquez who was stripped of the WBA title before the fight - the WBO, WBC and IBF champ.
Here's how The Ring ranked Naz during his era.
1995 - He was no.5 -- Tom Johnson was no.1
1996 - He was no.3 -- Tom Johnson was no.1
1997 - He was no.1 -- (This is the year he knocked out the no.1 Tom Johnson)
1998 - He was no.1
1999 - He was no.1
2000 - He was no.1
He was the best featherweight during his time. These days fans cream their pants whenever unification match-ups are made, Naz sought out all the other champions and took their titles. And that's the truth ruth.
That is a paper trail not a ruler. And Marquez was his mandatory for close to 2 years and the Wbo kept on giving Hamed passes to fight someone else.. We've been over this before. Sure they featured all the feathers on an HBO broadcast that put doubt on Marquez's willingness but there are two sides to every story
Re: Naz-vs-today's featherweight champs - Loma/Walters/Selby/Russell jr. Fact.
I'm just showing Naz was the king of the featherweights in his time (no serious boxing scribe/historian disputes it).
There sure are two sides to every story.
1. Naz ducked Marquez.
2. IGNORE the fact that Marquez, Nacho Beristain and their former matchmaker all admit they were offered a career high payday to face Naz but refused it. And yes HBO along with many other leading American boxing writers were left dumbfound and criticised them for it.
Naz ducked a guy that refused to fight him. Makes perfect sense.
Re: Naz-vs-today's featherweight champs - Loma/Walters/Selby/Russell jr. Fact.
I'm sure he'd do ok against the guys mentioned and power can be a game changer especially with sub par opposition that may trouble you. Its a little different in the deep end of the pool. He went there once in his career and drowned never to swim again. He never had the metal to go with his mouth and proved that. Anything can happen though.
Re: Naz-vs-today's featherweight champs - Loma/Walters/Selby/Russell jr. Fact.
Hamed was fun to watch. And while he did beat some name fighters, the only reason he beat them was cuz they were either shot or declining. None of the names Hamed beat were in there prime. Hamed HOF induction was undeserving. And Hamed himself knew it. It's the reason he didn't show up to it
