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I said this before and I'll say it again. Floyd does not give a flying fuck about Marciano's record, for many of the reasons already stated. if he beats Marciano's "Record" , it doesn't give him any more kudos. this is why I believe Floyd when he says this is his last fight. Nobody can look in the future and Never say never, but if Floyd does carry on after this fight, The reason will not be to beat Rocky Marciano's record.
There are people that will argue three bad score cards in one fight is the reason Floyd is unbeaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
The point was - TBE is not currently parading around selling fights as TBE if he didn't have an unblemished record. All this equalling/beating Marciano's record shit becomes utterly irrelevant. All this 47 have tried 47 have failed becomes utterly irrelevant.
A single judges opinion on one round completely changes the life of Floyd and the flomos.
The record means nothing if there is no substance to the resume. Floyd will definitely fight his 50th fight. If Floyd loses or draws it will be more to do with Floyd aging and not taking his opponent seriously than Berto being any good.
There was doubt in the castilo fight so he gave him a rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
My intention certainly wasn't about bashing Floyd or Rocky as I mentioned earlier I like both. Just for me if someone told me they had a record of 85-5 I would be more impressed than 50-0. Of course lots of things to consider like quality of opposition, times we are living in, etc. Just my opinion. Of course never losing has a certain distinction to it as well. Unless it is my brother-in-law who went 2-0. He retired undefeated and jokingly brags about it.
Your brother-in-law is up there with Sven Ottke. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by frasd
You never came across that way to me and my reply certainly was not intended to suggest you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by frasd
Its a big deal and is for Floyd. It caps off that "0" that he has spent a career bragging about. The first words out of Floyds mouth should he beat Berto will most likely be something like "I just tied Marciano" and I'm also positive that it will be talked about by the coverage teams both at ringside and in the studios.
I suppose its also possible that the Mayweathers have a gag order in place because to mention it would give to much credit to Marciano.
In the end its up to the individual boxing fan as to how much weight they give to it or 50 and 0. But to boxing and its history, historians and countless sports writers etc it will be a pretty big deal. Personally I do think its a big deal but not in comparison to a litany of other accomplishments some which I already listed. Its still one hell of an accomplishment which took 60 years to equal should he retire. 50 and 0 is w/o a doubt what they are aiming for even if he retires. That is the real daisy, not 49 and 0.
Sir, I can't agree with you. Floyd believes he's TBE and Marciano's record is another way he can prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
It's the frosting on the cake. It's a well known and long standing record that damn near outshines the record holder. Oh yeah, Floyd wants to be the first to break that record you can bet on that. He'll break the record and then start talking about the lackluster quality of the records held by other boxers who are close to the record, you'll see!
That danged Floyd, he isn't black, he's crystal clear! I can see right through him. LOL
I don't put much stock in numbers and bean counting as it translates to greatness. That's not a Floyd thing its just that anyone can run up numbers. More importantly no matter the level, most glossy undefeated records you see can have a case made for an asterisk or two. A loss. If there is a legitimate dispute or consensus on a record its moot and has to be considered. I had Chavez 85-2. As mentioned Cuenca is 48-0. Anyone think he'll get a parade or a cover story??? Spadafora was 48-0. Ironically Floyd while he's pumped up on the 49-0 front, by his own words and some fans stuck in only "the now"..they have little regard for that era and fighters who made it what it is. If Floyd doesn't rank Robinson in top 5 all time I'd hate to think or where he ranks Marciano all time heavy :-X. If anything Rock getting out and walking away speaks more to his smarts.
In no other sport is an undefeated record so insignificant.
Although team sports may not be a good comparison, the truth of the matter is that a team that goes undefeated, or on an unbeaten streak, usually does so against every other team in the league or conference. There's no other way. So being undefeated means something. Normally you have to win some of those games "away", not just in the friendly confines of home. In boxing it's not like that at all. You can win your first 50 or 70 fights without leaving your hometown, or by fighting nothing but tomato cans. What does that prove? Absolutely zilch. A fighter with a 30-3 record can be twice as good as one with a 50-0 record. "W's" and "L's" are meaningless unless tempered with quality of opposition.
That being said, Floyd has some very good names on his resume, and can't be accused of padding his record.
I don't think the record is a huge deal either but it's there and Floyd wants it.
Floyd knows records are made to be broken, he will be the first to break it, and he'll be pointing that out every chance he gets!
He will but it is not a record.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
I've said it once and I'll say it again. The reason why Floyd Mayweather is hated is because he is a black man who is unbroken.Quote:
Originally Posted by frasd
He is a black man who made millions and took the least amount of punishment. He is a black man who is not tied into the white power structure of boxing as he has Maywether Promotions. He has black managers, black trainers, black advisors...black everything.
You can talk about your Ray Robinsons, Henry Armstrong's, Joe Louis all day....but look how they ended up ? Broke. Skiint and on their own.
Even Ali was not financially secure when he retired. In fact most of Ali's money came from after he left the ring.
People talk about past fighters. But Mayweather beats Duran and Leonard. The only fighter that I think Mayweather would have had serious trouble with was Tommy Hearns, because of the height and jab.
Floyd has fought everyone. Name a fighter in his era who he has not fought ?
Took the words right out of my mouth :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200I've said it once and I'll say it again. The reason why Floyd Mayweather is hated is because he is a black man who is unbroken.Quote:
Originally Posted by frasd
He is a black man who made millions and took the least amount of punishment. He is a black man who is not tied into the white power structure of boxing as he has Maywether Promotions. He has black managers, black trainers, black advisors...black everything.
You can talk about your Ray Robinsons, Henry Armstrong's, Joe Louis all day....but look how they ended up ? Broke. Skiint and on their own.
Even Ali was not financially secure when he retired. In fact most of Ali's money came from after he left the ring.
People talk about past fighters. But Mayweather beats Duran and Leonard. The only fighter that I think Mayweather would have had serious trouble with was Tommy Hearns, because of the height and jab.
Floyd has fought everyone. Name a fighter in his era who he has not fought ?
It is not a black thing, it is a thug thing. He worships material things like it is god, he beats up women in front of his children like a punk and he shows no remorse for it and believes he is the victim. He is a joke character.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200I've said it once and I'll say it again. The reason why Floyd Mayweather is hated is because he is a black man who is unbroken.Quote:
Originally Posted by frasd
He is a black man who made millions and took the least amount of punishment. He is a black man who is not tied into the white power structure of boxing as he has Maywether Promotions. He has black managers, black trainers, black advisors...black everything.
You can talk about your Ray Robinsons, Henry Armstrong's, Joe Louis all day....but look how they ended up ? Broke. Skiint and on their own.
Even Ali was not financially secure when he retired. In fact most of Ali's money came from after he left the ring.
People talk about past fighters. But Mayweather beats Duran and Leonard. The only fighter that I think Mayweather would have had serious trouble with was Tommy Hearns, because of the height and jab.
Floyd has fought everyone. Name a fighter in his era who he has not fought ?
How on earth can you say he would beat a prime Leonard at welterweight? That is not Floyds best weight and you think he can beat Leonard? You say Hearns could give him trouble but Leonard solved him and beat him. That is a mark of a great fighter. Leonard has career defining fights. Floyd fought Manny 5 years past his best. He is the best ever joker ever.