Re: Wilders Skill to Power ratio is waaay off.
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IamInuit
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Kirkland Laing
Wilder fought far too many easy fights before he got to world level. Mormally when they bring a prospect along they feed them journeymen but they'll gradually up the level of journeymen. One guy will be extremely durable, another guy will be a mover, a braler, counterpuncher and so on. Eventually normally a fight or so before world level they'll put the prospect in with a puncher. Wilder just fought garbage up until Stiverne so yes is still miles away from a finished product. He's getting away with it due to his size and power but he's still making tons of elementary mistakes, going straight back with his hands down and so on.
You've got to figure that there's at least the Ukrainian cabbage farmer and maybe one or two others who can expose him. He's getting big ratings for Haymon Boxing Club though without fighting anybody meaningful so they'll probably keep it that way for a while. If I was Haymon I'd really not want to be putting him in with Povetkin anytime soon.
That is true but for me it has more to do on what he's not doing now that he has arrived and the fact that the division is so weak makes it all the more difficult to understand. That is why I have concluded that for him its more about the marketing and selling the smoke and mirrors then it is about fighting but in fairness its not just him doing it. Look at the welter div. Its deep and nobody fights each other and they all think they pick their opponent. Another sad byproduct of Floyd.
Look at Tysons first 30 or Chavez's first 40 or Monzons first 50. So this practice is certainly not new.
Haymon has an American world heavyweight champion which is a massive advantage when he's trying to make casual and new boxing fans tune into his PBC enterprise. Haymon will be quite happy to keep the smoke and mirrors going for as long as possible if Wilder can keep getting knockouts of marginally credible guys.
As far as mass popularity with boxing goes there's the old saw that there's the heavyweights and then there's everything else. Wilder is such a big selling point for Haymon that he can continue picking up nice cheques for knocking over marginal contenders for the forseeable future.
Re: Wilders Skill to Power ratio is waaay off.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Quote:
Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Wilder fought far too many easy fights before he got to world level. Mormally when they bring a prospect along they feed them journeymen but they'll gradually up the level of journeymen. One guy will be extremely durable, another guy will be a mover, a braler, counterpuncher and so on. Eventually normally a fight or so before world level they'll put the prospect in with a puncher. Wilder just fought garbage up until Stiverne so yes is still miles away from a finished product. He's getting away with it due to his size and power but he's still making tons of elementary mistakes, going straight back with his hands down and so on.
You've got to figure that there's at least the Ukrainian cabbage farmer and maybe one or two others who can expose him. He's getting big ratings for Haymon Boxing Club though without fighting anybody meaningful so they'll probably keep it that way for a while. If I was Haymon I'd really not want to be putting him in with Povetkin anytime soon.
That is true but for me it has more to do on what he's not doing now that he has arrived and the fact that the division is so weak makes it all the more difficult to understand. That is why I have concluded that for him its more about the marketing and selling the smoke and mirrors then it is about fighting but in fairness its not just him doing it. Look at the welter div. Its deep and nobody fights each other and they all think they pick their opponent. Another sad byproduct of Floyd.
Look at Tysons first 30 or Chavez's first 40 or Monzons first 50. So this practice is certainly not new.
Haymon has an American world heavyweight champion which is a massive advantage when he's trying to make casual and new boxing fans tune into his PBC enterprise. Haymon will be quite happy to keep the smoke and mirrors going for as long as possible if Wilder can keep getting knockouts of marginally credible guys.
As far as mass popularity with boxing goes there's the old saw that there's the heavyweights and then there's everything else. Wilder is such a big selling point for Haymon that he can continue picking up nice cheques for knocking over marginal contenders for the forseeable future.
Be interesting to see how they attempt to get out of facing Povetkin and if there is a purse bid I cant see Haymon winning the venue. Wilder may have to defend in Russia.
Re: Wilders Skill to Power ratio is waaay off.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Quote:
Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Wilder fought far too many easy fights before he got to world level. Mormally when they bring a prospect along they feed them journeymen but they'll gradually up the level of journeymen. One guy will be extremely durable, another guy will be a mover, a braler, counterpuncher and so on. Eventually normally a fight or so before world level they'll put the prospect in with a puncher. Wilder just fought garbage up until Stiverne so yes is still miles away from a finished product. He's getting away with it due to his size and power but he's still making tons of elementary mistakes, going straight back with his hands down and so on.
You've got to figure that there's at least the Ukrainian cabbage farmer and maybe one or two others who can expose him. He's getting big ratings for Haymon Boxing Club though without fighting anybody meaningful so they'll probably keep it that way for a while. If I was Haymon I'd really not want to be putting him in with Povetkin anytime soon.
That is true but for me it has more to do on what he's not doing now that he has arrived and the fact that the division is so weak makes it all the more difficult to understand. That is why I have concluded that for him its more about the marketing and selling the smoke and mirrors then it is about fighting but in fairness its not just him doing it. Look at the welter div. Its deep and nobody fights each other and they all think they pick their opponent. Another sad byproduct of Floyd.
Look at Tysons first 30 or Chavez's first 40 or Monzons first 50. So this practice is certainly not new.
Haymon has an American world heavyweight champion which is a massive advantage when he's trying to make casual and new boxing fans tune into his PBC enterprise. Haymon will be quite happy to keep the smoke and mirrors going for as long as possible if Wilder can keep getting knockouts of marginally credible guys.
As far as mass popularity with boxing goes there's the old saw that there's the heavyweights and then there's everything else. Wilder is such a big selling point for Haymon that he can continue picking up nice cheques for knocking over marginal contenders for the forseeable future.
Holy Smoke! You mean there's a money side to boxing?
Re: Wilders Skill to Power ratio is waaay off.
He looks the exact same swinging for the fences and swaying around as he did 15,16 fights ago bombing out Lt heavyweights. His power is real but his delivery system and foundation supporting the entire house is very flawed. Its not a hate thing or a bash Deontay thing, its just so glaringly obvious. He was literally swinging off his hips, he shoots a decent one-two but really lacks composed combination punching, he has a terrible habit of backing straight and 'opening' gloves and often when he loaded up late he is literally on one foot at the end. Dude was pushing off with his hips ffs. Wilder is a fantastic personality and wears it refreshingly on the sleeve, but we are talking about him like he is a prospect still learning on the job and needing time??? The guy calls himself a CHAMPION ffs...he is already at the dance...on the stage and has been hired for the position! You cannot and do not get to 'learn' or be excused for lack of preparation because you skated into a top position. We are talking "toughest fights and best win" in his 33 starts..records can be picked apart but I'm telling you man the vast majority who went on to amount to anything was facing far stiffer and deeper talent well before fight 33. The mentioned Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson admittedly trucked in some obscure 'showcase' opponent in career the difference is they had top wins before even thinking about it. I really do think he is in danger of cocooning himself in his hometown, a comfort zone inside and outside of the ring with this level of competition just being handed to him. You cannot doubt his passion and fire but he is doing the. exact. same. thing as a champ that he was as a prospect and the longer he stagnates, more of his 'excitement' factor will be attributed to his vulnerabilities as much as his arsenal...that's not good. As a U.S champ I want a guy to aim high and demand better, kick in the door and get your arse into the mix. Put names in you mouth and camp on the front lawn of the recognized champ and insult his momma! Make the moment now son. Rant over ;D I need coffee.
Re: Wilders Skill to Power ratio is waaay off.
Lol....told ya
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Deontay Wilder is on track to fight Alexander Povetkin, but the plan isn’t for that bout to take place next.
A person with knowledge of the plan told USA TODAY Sports on Thursday that the WBC heavyweight champion is likely to make one more optional defense in January 2016, then fight Povetkin afterward. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because discussing the plan publicly is unauthorized. It’s unclear if the sanctioning body will approve one more optional defense.
Povetkin, the WBC’s mandatory challenger, will take on Mariusz Wach in November and would thus be unavailable to fight in January. This plan would allow Wilder to stay active and get one more fight in before a massive step up to Povetkin.
Wilder (35-0, 34 KOs) made the second successful defense of his belt with an 11th-round TKO of Johann Duhaupas on Saturday. The Bronze Bomber had his eye closed in the fight and got some more rounds under his belt as he continues to grow in the division.
The 2008 Olympic bronze medalist won the title with an impressive performance against Bermane Stiverne in January, but his last two fights have come against much more modest competition. Wilder knocked out Eric Molina in June and many fans question whether he’s ready for the likes of Povetkin, a former heavyweight titleholder who was an Olympic gold medalist.
Povetkin, 36, has won three consecutive bouts since a loss to Wladimir Klitschko in 2013, victories over Carlos Takam, Manuel Charr and Mike Perez. The first-round KO of Perez this past summer made him the No. 1 contender.
If Wilder isn’t ready for the test now, one more fight will certainly help his development.
Alexander Povetkin, Deontay Wilder, heavyweight, News
Deontay Wilder could return in January; fight vs. Alexander Povetkin to follow in ’16 | Boxingjunkie
