GGG vs Cotto or Alvarez, who would make the better fight?

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10-18-2015, 08:04 PM
Ron Swanson

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He needs to fight Ward because MW is shit. If he actually wants to prove anything he fights Ward finally. Not "maybe in 2014" "maybe in 2015" and now "maybe in 2017". GGG is far far better than that shit division. If he wants a challenge he fights Ward. If he wants to get rich beating up men who have no chance against him he keeps fighting at MW. Not one fighter there has a sliver of hope against him though. Don't be fooled, these are not fights. These are sanctioned beatings. Does he want a fight is the question

So what you are saying is that both Cotto and Alvarez are bums and him dishing out a 'sanctioned beating' against either of these two would not be impressive?

Yeah I'll go for that.

Cotto was a damn good Jr Welterweight and a good Welterweight. He is not a great MW. Alvarez has never even proven himself to be the top Jr Middleweight, he has never done anything at MW. Not a thing.

Answer this, take your sarcasm and put it aside for a moment and give an honest answer. Do you think either fighter beats him? If I give you 10/1 odds do you take it? He is a much better MW than either.

I never said they were bums, nice job putting words in my mouth by the way, that's a very poor way to debate. It's shameful in fact. If you can't just debate on the merits of the discussion you show yourself to be fraudulent. Intelligent people know that.
10-18-2015, 08:12 PM
Batman

Re: GGG vs Cotto or Alvarez, who would make the better fight?

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by Batman

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

He needs to fight Ward because MW is shit. If he actually wants to prove anything he fights Ward finally. Not "maybe in 2014" "maybe in 2015" and now "maybe in 2017". GGG is far far better than that shit division. If he wants a challenge he fights Ward. If he wants to get rich beating up men who have no chance against him he keeps fighting at MW. Not one fighter there has a sliver of hope against him though. Don't be fooled, these are not fights. These are sanctioned beatings. Does he want a fight is the question

So what you are saying is that both Cotto and Alvarez are bums and him dishing out a 'sanctioned beating' against either of these two would not be impressive?

Yeah I'll go for that.

Cotto was a damn good Jr Welterweight and a good Welterweight. He is not a great MW. Alvarez has never even proven himself to be the top Jr Middleweight, he has never done anything at MW. Not a thing.

Answer this, take your sarcasm and put it aside for a moment and give an honest answer. Do you think either fighter beats him? If I give you 10/1 odds do you take it? He is a much better MW than either.

I never said they were bums, nice job putting words in my mouth by the way, that's a very poor way to debate. It's shameful in fact. If you can't just debate on the merits of the discussion you show yourself to be fraudulent. Intelligent people know that.

You said the MW division was shit, I took that to mean that you were suggesting that both Cotto and Canelo were shit, I actually said in my first post that GGG beats them both easily, I just can not for the life of me see the Ward fight happening any time soon and as you said it would probably 'maybe in 2017'

Sorry if I came across as a little agressive in my post, it wasn't done to cause any offence
10-18-2015, 08:13 PM
Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

He needs to fight Ward because MW is shit. If he actually wants to prove anything he fights Ward finally. Not "maybe in 2014" "maybe in 2015" and now "maybe in 2017". GGG is far far better than that shit division. If he wants a challenge he fights Ward. If he wants to get rich beating up men who have no chance against him he keeps fighting at MW. Not one fighter there has a sliver of hope against him though. Don't be fooled, these are not fights. These are sanctioned beatings. Does he want a fight is the question

The aim of boxing is to get rich and bring in as much money as possible in the short time you have as a career in boxing.

The aim of the boxer. The aim of fans should be to see competitive fights. Why don't GGG fans want to see a competitive fight? It's always built up guys. Not too long ago they were saying "Rosado is really tough" yes he is but he isn't a great fighter. Time and time again. Now it is to the point that David Lemieux is considered PPV worthy, GTFOOHWTN. David Lemieux fought Alcine in a stretch where Alcine won 1 out of 8 fights. Right in the middle of that stretch. And David was that one guy Alcine beat. He is a good fighter, good gatekeeper type. Hell, in this division he could pick up another belt, Sam Soliman did, Jermaine Taylor did when he was shot and brain dead, Andy Lee did. GGG is simply on another level from these guys.

Understand this, I'm not like Imp waiting for GGG to lose. Wanting him to step up to lose. I want him to step up because I think he is good enough to do so and I've been saying it since before anyone knew who Golovkin was.
10-18-2015, 08:14 PM
Batman

Re: GGG vs Cotto or Alvarez, who would make the better fight?

Also regardless of if he does lay a beating on either of them, a fight against them would generate a hell of a lot more interest from the casual fan than Ward would and as Master said thats kind of the game that they are in.
10-18-2015, 08:23 PM
Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by Batman

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by Batman

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

He needs to fight Ward because MW is shit. If he actually wants to prove anything he fights Ward finally. Not "maybe in 2014" "maybe in 2015" and now "maybe in 2017". GGG is far far better than that shit division. If he wants a challenge he fights Ward. If he wants to get rich beating up men who have no chance against him he keeps fighting at MW. Not one fighter there has a sliver of hope against him though. Don't be fooled, these are not fights. These are sanctioned beatings. Does he want a fight is the question

So what you are saying is that both Cotto and Alvarez are bums and him dishing out a 'sanctioned beating' against either of these two would not be impressive?

Yeah I'll go for that.

Cotto was a damn good Jr Welterweight and a good Welterweight. He is not a great MW. Alvarez has never even proven himself to be the top Jr Middleweight, he has never done anything at MW. Not a thing.

Answer this, take your sarcasm and put it aside for a moment and give an honest answer. Do you think either fighter beats him? If I give you 10/1 odds do you take it? He is a much better MW than either.

I never said they were bums, nice job putting words in my mouth by the way, that's a very poor way to debate. It's shameful in fact. If you can't just debate on the merits of the discussion you show yourself to be fraudulent. Intelligent people know that.

You said the MW division was shit, I took that to mean that you were suggesting that both Cotto and Canelo were shit, I actually said in my first post that GGG beats them both easily, I just can not for the life of me see the Ward fight happening any time soon and as you said it would probably 'maybe in 2017'

Sorry if I came across as a little agressive in my post, it wasn't done to cause any offence

No worries man. I'm in an overly aggressive mood today anyway.

I don't think the Ward fight ever happens man. I think they stalled knowing Ward would move up. And once he moves up it's over. I mean it is fall of 2015, maybe in 2017 is the same as saying never as far as I'm concerned. Ward tried to make this fight before moving up because he knew it was now or never.

MW has been weak since the early 90s. And that was just a short stretch after another long weak stretch. The division is historic but for the life of me I can't figure out why. If you look through the history of it it rarely had any depth. But then again Heavyweight is historic too and it rarely had quality depth. The historic divisions are separate from the good divisions.
10-18-2015, 08:30 PM
Ron Swanson

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Also regardless of if he does lay a beating on either of them, a fight against them would generate a hell of a lot more interest from the casual fan than Ward would and as Master said thats kind of the game that they are in.

Yes, but fight fans should not support it just because it makes money. Fight fans should look for the good fight.
10-18-2015, 10:39 PM
Master

Re: GGG vs Cotto or Alvarez, who would make the better fight?

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Also regardless of if he does lay a beating on either of them, a fight against them would generate a hell of a lot more interest from the casual fan than Ward would and as Master said thats kind of the game that they are in.

Yes, but fight fans should not support it just because it makes money. Fight fans should look for the good fight.

Ward is not a good fighter to watch. You would only watch him to see him face a tough fighter and see how he would cope with his skills. The onus is on Ward now to earn a fight with triple G. Ward has to become the dominant fighter at the weight again after being out so long. GGG has been active.
10-19-2015, 12:35 AM
beenKOed

Re: GGG vs Cotto or Alvarez, who would make the better fight?

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

He needs to fight Ward because MW is shit. If he actually wants to prove anything he fights Ward finally. Not "maybe in 2014" "maybe in 2015" and now "maybe in 2017". GGG is far far better than that shit division. If he wants a challenge he fights Ward. If he wants to get rich beating up men who have no chance against him he keeps fighting at MW. Not one fighter there has a sliver of hope against him though. Don't be fooled, these are not fights. These are sanctioned beatings. Does he want a fight is the question

I am all for that fight, as soon as Ward makes the weight. I am certain a fair minded guy like you would not expect GGG to move up and be at a disadvantage. Maybe you are one of those fans who think we should have a "Catchweight Division". You know what I mean, we can slip it in between all the regular divisions, so we get to see all those fights our pea sized brains can think of.
Sanctioned beatings? All sanctioned bouts have the possibility of being sanctioned beatings, that is why the referee is in there!
10-19-2015, 12:46 AM
ono

Re: GGG vs Cotto or Alvarez, who would make the better fight?

Probably Canelo although both are a big step up from anybody GGG has fought so far.
10-19-2015, 12:54 AM
brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by imp

Fighting ward now would ruin ggg career...we all know that.

Lets keep telling porkies and stay on the happy ggg train.

F*** that happy ggg train that is an LSD train of hallucination. His level of competition has not really been so good and therefore he is looking so stellar. Boxing nowadays does not have a Marvin Hagler who would come forward and decapitate GGG. The ring doctor would be picking up a head which was rolling on the canvas after Marvelous Marvin Hagler physically decapitated him. He cannot fight a steamroller who comes forward and doesn't take a step back he would get his head bashed in his chin has still not even been tested.
10-19-2015, 12:56 AM
brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

He needs to fight Ward because MW is shit. If he actually wants to prove anything he fights Ward finally. Not "maybe in 2014" "maybe in 2015" and now "maybe in 2017". GGG is far far better than that shit division. If he wants a challenge he fights Ward. If he wants to get rich beating up men who have no chance against him he keeps fighting at MW. Not one fighter there has a sliver of hope against him though. Don't be fooled, these are not fights. These are sanctioned beatings. Does he want a fight is the question

The aim of boxing is to get rich and bring in as much money as possible in the short time you have as a career in boxing.

That's just your opinion
10-19-2015, 12:59 AM
Master

Re: GGG vs Cotto or Alvarez, who would make the better fight?

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by imp

Fighting ward now would ruin ggg career...we all know that.

Lets keep telling porkies and stay on the happy ggg train.

F*** that happy ggg train that is an LSD train of hallucination. His level of competition has not really been so good and therefore he is looking so stellar. Boxing nowadays does not have a Marvin Hagler who would come forward and decapitate GGG. The ring doctor would be picking up a head which was rolling on the canvas after Marvelous Marvin Hagler physically decapitated him. He cannot fight a steamroller who comes forward and doesn't take a step back he would get his head bashed in his chin has still not even been tested.

If Hagler was around GGG would take him on. GGG has not avoided any middleweight fighter.

I would doubt even Hagler would bother going up to supermiddle to fight Ward when he could stay and take on Cotto/Canelo winner.
10-19-2015, 01:00 AM
imp

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by imp

Fighting ward now would ruin ggg career...we all know that.

Lets keep telling porkies and stay on the happy ggg train.

F*** that happy ggg train that is an LSD train of hallucination. His level of competition has not really been so good and therefore he is looking so stellar. Boxing nowadays does not have a Marvin Hagler who would come forward and decapitate GGG. The ring doctor would be picking up a head which was rolling on the canvas after Marvelous Marvin Hagler physically decapitated him. He cannot fight a steamroller who comes forward and doesn't take a step back he would get his head bashed in his chin has still not even been tested.

Pacmania has turned into GGGmania but GGG has no marquez or floyd in his weight class.

Don't get me wrong I am just as annoyed with andre ward not fighting as everyone else...the difference is that ward is still getting better and is a massive problem for anyone.
10-19-2015, 01:11 AM
imp

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Originally Posted by Batman

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by Batman

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

He needs to fight Ward because MW is shit. If he actually wants to prove anything he fights Ward finally. Not "maybe in 2014" "maybe in 2015" and now "maybe in 2017". GGG is far far better than that shit division. If he wants a challenge he fights Ward. If he wants to get rich beating up men who have no chance against him he keeps fighting at MW. Not one fighter there has a sliver of hope against him though. Don't be fooled, these are not fights. These are sanctioned beatings. Does he want a fight is the question

So what you are saying is that both Cotto and Alvarez are bums and him dishing out a 'sanctioned beating' against either of these two would not be impressive?

Yeah I'll go for that.

Cotto was a damn good Jr Welterweight and a good Welterweight. He is not a great MW. Alvarez has never even proven himself to be the top Jr Middleweight, he has never done anything at MW. Not a thing.

Answer this, take your sarcasm and put it aside for a moment and give an honest answer. Do you think either fighter beats him? If I give you 10/1 odds do you take it? He is a much better MW than either.

I never said they were bums, nice job putting words in my mouth by the way, that's a very poor way to debate. It's shameful in fact. If you can't just debate on the merits of the discussion you show yourself to be fraudulent. Intelligent people know that.

You said the MW division was shit, I took that to mean that you were suggesting that both Cotto and Canelo were shit, I actually said in my first post that GGG beats them both easily, I just can not for the life of me see the Ward fight happening any time soon and as you said it would probably 'maybe in 2017'

Sorry if I came across as a little agressive in my post, it wasn't done to cause any offence

Come on.

Does anyone really consider canelo or cotto real big middleweights..cotto said it himself and the way cotto and his face gets beat up the fight gets stopped in 3 rounds.

GGG is just too big for these guys but I understand on the business side he needs to take this path..
10-19-2015, 01:34 AM
Spicoli

Re: GGG vs Cotto or Alvarez, who would make the better fight?

The network is drooling over these matches but honestly I think we all know neither are middleweights ??? I have all respect for Cotto but realistically think he will be absolutely smashed into pulp facing Golovkin. Seriously I don't see it competitive. In the minority but I want him to fight Quillin v Jacobs winner. If the division is really that shit, at least clean it up with guys who actually fight in it, don't demand catchweights and are comparable in fight time weights.

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