Re: *Did* Muhammad Ali ~get away~ with "too" much 'cheating' in the "ring"?
There is no doubt Ali used every trick in the book during his career, but in the Foreman fight all i see is Ali humiliating big George with a right hand lead throughout the first few rounds before he does any real rope - a dope tactics. George just stood in front of Ali and allowed him to hit him consistently with a right hand lead and combinations as big George stumbled in time after time. George had no plan B.
Re: *Did* Muhammad Ali ~get away~ with "too" much 'cheating' in the "ring"?
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Rocky Marciano undefeated 49 wins 0 losses 43 knockouts. Never pulled a rope a dope just kept coming forward like a bulldozer. No comparison to the cheap cashes clay
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Master
Low blows, kidney punches, hitting whilst down Rocky was the dirtiest heavyweight champion ever.
Re: *Did* Muhammad Ali ~get away~ with "too" much 'cheating' in the "ring"?
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brocktonblockbust
Rocky Marciano undefeated 49 wins 0 losses 43 knockouts. Never pulled a rope a dope just kept coming forward like a bulldozer. No comparison to the cheap cashes clay
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Master
Low blows, kidney punches, hitting whilst down Rocky was the dirtiest heavyweight champion ever.
He wasn't in there to play, by golly. No siree Bob, he fought like he really wanted to hurt someone, strange to see that in a fighter. Too bad MMA wasn't around then, he would have been a superstar at that too.
You can try to compare Marciano's overzealous fighting style to Ali's calculated cheating but it just won't wash.
I think I'll start a new thread, UNDERSTANDING AND DEALING WITH MARCIANO HATERS. ;D
Edit...this might be better, these attacks seem so personal, UNDERSTANDING AND DEALING WITH MARCIANO'S HATERS. I really, really, really can't understand where all the hate for Rocky comes from, you can take it from me he was a great human being! Hell, even the guys he beat say he was a nice guy and just respect him so much!! He was a great person in and out of the ring and even liked children!!!! I met a guy who talked to Rocky once and he said Rocky was a nice guy, also! Why doesn't everyone worship Marciano like I do? These Marciano haters have to be dealt with, they need help.
Re: *Did* Muhammad Ali ~get away~ with "too" much 'cheating' in the "ring"?
Cassius Clay
Wasn't dirty, in a punching-type of fouling way.
I'll give him that.
Re: *Did* Muhammad Ali ~get away~ with "too" much 'cheating' in the "ring"?
Rope a dope only works if you have a dope. Foreman wasn't chained to Ali. It takes two to tango. Foreman punched himself out. Foreman threw too many glancing shots.
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Bill Paxtom
Cassius Clay
Wasn't dirty, in a punching-type of fouling way.
I'll give him that.
Though, he did 'thumb' Ernie Terrell both intentionally and accidentally.
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Marciano clubbed you out. Wham bam, didn't give a damn. Real fighter. Take no prisoners. The shots that ICED Louis, Charles, Walcott, LA Starza, Matthews, etc. WERE NO ILLEGAL PUNCHES BUT RIGHT TO THE POINT OF THE CHIN.
FACT.
Tell that do Don Cockell
Re: *Did* Muhammad Ali ~get away~ with "too" much 'cheating' in the "ring"?
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Master
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brocktonblockbust
Marciano clubbed you out. Wham bam, didn't give a damn. Real fighter. Take no prisoners. The shots that ICED Louis, Charles, Walcott, LA Starza, Matthews, etc. WERE NO ILLEGAL PUNCHES BUT RIGHT TO THE POINT OF THE CHIN.
FACT.
Tell that do Don Cockell
so the 1 shot while Cockell was down was what won Marciano the fight.
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brocktonblockbust
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Master
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brocktonblockbust
Marciano clubbed you out. Wham bam, didn't give a damn. Real fighter. Take no prisoners. The shots that ICED Louis, Charles, Walcott, LA Starza, Matthews, etc. WERE NO ILLEGAL PUNCHES BUT RIGHT TO THE POINT OF THE CHIN.
FACT.
Tell that do Don Cockell
so the 1 shot while Cockell was down was what won Marciano the fight.
No the many low blows and hitting whilst down. Ali never did that. ;)
Re: *Did* Muhammad Ali ~get away~ with "too" much 'cheating' in the "ring"?
Henry Cooper
"I thought that Clay may have pulled a 'Boner' or two."
Re: *Did* Muhammad Ali ~get away~ with "too" much 'cheating' in the "ring"?
@Master how many of these blows were illegal? serious analysis here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QWAbm_zAMY
Re: *Did* Muhammad Ali ~get away~ with "too" much 'cheating' in the "ring"?
Muhammad Ali
"Bill has a boner over me"
