Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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ross
I think you are over reacting to a massively underwhelming opponent.
Think of it this way. Would De Mori have got out of the first round with Fury, Wilder, Klitschko or Povetkin?;D;D;D
Its not a big deal and deffinitly no guage of where Haye is.
DeMori was bashed around in sparring by an 18 year old Hughie Fury. Hes not a good boxer at all.
Hed probably get out of the first round v Fury. Again doesnt mean Haye is better than Fury its just style differences.
I dont think so. He would just go in to a shell. I doubt very mch he would get out the first round of a real fight when he cant even get out of the first round of sparring!
Same as Jason Gavern. He did rounds with Wilder and Joshua but climbed out of the ring only seconds in to sparring with Tyson Fury!
You dont have to be a concussive puncher to sicken someone. Its hard to describe to someone whos never boxed and taken punches competitively as its difficult to comprehend without the experience. When you know you cant get out of the way of those shots and theres nothing you can do to stop them a weak person will quit somehow.
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
ross
I think you are over reacting to a massively underwhelming opponent.
Think of it this way. Would De Mori have got out of the first round with Fury, Wilder, Klitschko or Povetkin?;D;D;D
Its not a big deal and deffinitly no guage of where Haye is.
DeMori was bashed around in sparring by an 18 year old Hughie Fury. Hes not a good boxer at all.
Hed probably get out of the first round v Fury. Again doesnt mean Haye is better than Fury its just style differences.
I dont think so. He would just go in to a shell. I doubt very mch he would get out the first round of a real fight when he cant even get out of the first round of sparring!
Same as Jason Gavern. He did rounds with Wilder and Joshua but climbed out of the ring only seconds in to sparring with Tyson Fury!
You dont have to be a concussive puncher to sicken someone.
Its hard to describe to someone whos never boxed and taken punches competitively as its difficult to comprehend without the experience. When you know you cant get out of the way of those shots and theres nothing you can do to stop them a weak person will quit somehow.
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Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
Maybe, but it took Fury 10 rounds to stop a Chisora who just stood there taking punches, couldnt stop Johnson, 5 to stop Rogan who got stopped in 1 by Teper, 5 to stop Maddalone who was stopped in 3 by an old Holyfield, 5 to stop a Brazilian bin man that was stoppped in 2 by Whyte yada yada yada.
Fury has stopped 70% of his opponents with Haye over 80% and probably has a higher standard of opponent.
Im not saying Fury gets beat by anyone Haye has fought or that Haye beats Fury, or even that Haye hits harder than Fury, but his style is more explosive and generally means he will iron guys out quicker than Fury who generally fights more conservative, behind his jab from distance.
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
Maybe, but it took Fury 10 rounds to stop a Chisora who just stood there taking punches, couldnt stop Johnson, 5 to stop Rogan who got stopped in 1 by Teper, 5 to stop Maddalone who was stopped in 3 by an old Holyfield, 5 to stop a Brazilian bin man that was stoppped in 2 by Whyte yada yada yada.
Fury has stopped 70% of his opponents with Haye over 80% and probably has a higher standard of opponent.
Im not saying Fury gets beat by anyone Haye has fought or that Haye beats Fury, or even that Haye hits harder than Fury, but his style is more explosive and generally means he will iron guys out quicker than Fury who generally fights more conservative, behind his jab from distance.
I know what your saying and to some extent I agree. Haye may well be able to generate power but he doesnt have the complete package to make it count beyond the De Moris of the world.
Haye may have stopped 70% of his opponents but Fury has beaten 100% of his and has a better win than anything Haye managed and he did that with skill not power. Haye doesnt have the skill to make that power any use.
Tyson could have stopped Chisora in the first. He was after rounds.
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
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smashup
Whyte has just called Haye out and Haye should take this.
Whyte has a proven chin and took some huge punches from AJ but stamina fucked him up and he folded.
This is a perfect opponent for Haye to measure himself against I reckon.
Hope this happens.
Great fight should it happen. Fight of the ages.
Old Vs New. It would gives a good gauge to how good Joshua and the current heavyweights are
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
This would be a damn good fight to watch I'm thinking.
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
If fury had the power to stop chisora in the first round , then why did he go 12 rounds with a guy who had been stopped in all 3 of his previous defeats?
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
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Primo Carnera
So has Whyte made a Manny style miracle recovery from his own shoulder injury to start calling people? This won't happen, Haye needs fights rapid, not to to start hanging about again. By the time Whyte is available, Haye should be looking higher.
Whyte just goes to the same doctors as Haye :)
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
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Dark Lord Al
If fury had the power to stop chisora in the first round , then why did he go 12 rounds with a guy who had been stopped in all 3 of his previous defeats?
I could ask the same of Haye. Haye landed punches on Wlad but never hurt him. Fury did!;D;D
Like I said, power alone means nothing you have to have the skill to go with it and the only decent fighter Haye fought at heavy and is also known to be hurt and stopped lasted the full 12 and beat Haye easy.
I also think Wilders power is over rated. His nly decent opponent went the full 12 even these journeymen hes facing are taking lots of full blooded shots of off him.
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
Yea Ive been saying that for ages about Wilders power. Fighting puddings makes him look a better puncher then he is. Obviously he hits hard but when he steps up I dont think hell be stopping guys as easily.
If Joshua or Haye were fighting the opponents Wilder is Id say theyd have stopped every single one. Fury would at least match Wilder in my opinion.
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
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Master
Haye has something to offer and punch power alone means he can beat anyone.
Punch power alone wont get you to the top. If it did Arreola would have been a world champion.
Mike Tyson wouldnt have lost.
You all know this but are getting swept up in some kind of euphoria where David Haye was much better and acheived much more than he actually was and did.
Punch power alone didnt beat Wladimir now did it?
Please tell me you said that all tongue firmly in cheek?
You've already prophesised Fury's repeat win over Wladimir and total domination of the heavyweight division for the next 20 years based on one fight.
And you've got the stones to tell others they are getting carried away? ;D
You're as obligated where Haye is concerned as you are Fury.
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
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Memphis
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ross
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Master
Haye has something to offer and punch power alone means he can beat anyone.
Punch power alone wont get you to the top. If it did Arreola would have been a world champion.
Mike Tyson wouldnt have lost.
You all know this but are getting swept up in some kind of euphoria where David Haye was much better and acheived much more than he actually was and did.
Punch power alone didnt beat Wladimir now did it?
Please tell me you said that all tongue firmly in cheek?
You've already prophesised Fury's repeat win over Wladimir and total domination of the heavyweight division for the next 20 years based on one fight.
And you've got the stones to tell others they are getting carried away? ;D
You're as obligated where Haye is concerned as you are Fury.
We have actual evidence that Tyson is the current best in the world we also have evidence Haye isnt as he lost convincingly to the same opponent.
Wilder is looking poor against journeymen and not getting any better.
Whats your problem? Why exagerate what iv said? No where have I said Tyson would reign for 20 years you mug;D
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I apologise for a little use of poetic license, I should have known it would be lost on you.
Would ten years suit? What makes you think Wilder and Haye are the only threats?
I don't have a problem. I just think you chat a whole load of shit.
Re: Dillian Whyte v David Haye
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Memphis
I apologise for a little use of poetic license, I should have known it would be lost on you.
Would ten years suit? What makes you think Wilder and Haye are the only threats?
I don't have a problem. I just think you chat a whole load of shit.
With regards to Tyson Fury its not shit, people dont like it because they dont want him to be champion or better than everyone else but he is.
