Re: Who is the worst heavyweight titleholder since 2000?
Shannon Briggs, and Liakovich were also really really poor. I'm not sure either of those guys the night they fought each other would be clear favourites over Charles Martin:p
John Ruiz wasn't that bad. Yes he stunk to watch and was never near the top guy, but he was also a perennial contender who knew how to handle himself and was consistently good over years. He looked worse against Jones and Toney because he wasn't a puncher and just couldn't box with them, but he was effective against some bigger and stronger guys than himself, at the very least he was a solid pro. I'm pretty sure I scored both Valuev fights(along with maybe every Valuev fight I ever watched for that matter) against the giant freak, who is also a good mention for this really.
Basically everyone since Lewis aside from the Klits and with the exception of a few hopefuls now, has been fairly poor to have been called a HW champion.
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Valuev belongs in this group.
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wlad
the ruiner of hw boxing for 10+ years
Wlad ensured that phoneys like Martin never won the title. i would rather endure 10 years of Wlad than 1 fight Martin.
wlad was a phoney (why are we talking in American), he held more than he punched (and that's not an exaggeration
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wlad
the ruiner of hw boxing for 10+ years
Wlad ensured that phoneys like Martin never won the title. i would rather endure 10 years of Wlad than 1 fight Martin.
wlad was a phoney (why are we talking in American), he held more than he punched (and that's not an exaggeration
better to have Wlad than Martin and the other phoneys that will follow. at least Wlad tidied the crap an kept some order.
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wlad
the ruiner of hw boxing for 10+ years
Wlad ensured that phoneys like Martin never won the title. i would rather endure 10 years of Wlad than 1 fight Martin.
wlad was a phoney (why are we talking in American), he held more than he punched (and that's not an exaggeration
better to have Wlad than Martin and the other phoneys that will follow. at least Wlad tidied the crap an kept some order.
perhaps he did tidy up the crap, but a lot of his wins were based on cheating
the day he first won the title in his most recent reign he should have been DQ'd by the second round
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wlad
the ruiner of hw boxing for 10+ years
Wlad ensured that phoneys like Martin never won the title. i would rather endure 10 years of Wlad than 1 fight Martin.
wlad was a phoney (why are we talking in American), he held more than he punched (and that's not an exaggeration
better to have Wlad than Martin and the other phoneys that will follow. at least Wlad tidied the crap an kept some order.
perhaps he did tidy up the crap, but a lot of his wins were based on cheating
the day he first won the title in his most recent reign he should have been DQ'd by the second round
All the challengers that Wlad has beaten, none of them would I have wanted as champion, even Haye.
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I've probably got to go with Charles Martin. Genuinely pathetic. Couldn't fight a lick.
Mind you, all the guys who Deontay has defended against would probably be worse, if Wilder was to have popped his knee during the fights.
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Valuev belongs in this group.
Correction: Valuev belongs in this group EXCEPT his fight with Monte Barrett.
He beat the guns off dude.
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wlad
the ruiner of hw boxing for 10+ years
Wlad ensured that phoneys like Martin never won the title. i would rather endure 10 years of Wlad than 1 fight Martin.
wlad was a phoney (why are we talking in American), he held more than he punched (and that's not an exaggeration
better to have Wlad than Martin and the other phoneys that will follow. at least Wlad tidied the crap an kept some order.
perhaps he did tidy up the crap, but a lot of his wins were based on cheating
the day he first won the title in his most recent reign he should have been DQ'd by the second round
All the challengers that Wlad has beaten, none of them would I have wanted as champion, even Haye.
that's fine but wouldn't it have been better, for the last 10 years, to have a hw division based on who is the best boxer rather than who brings in the most money?
when in with any kind of threatening opponent klit would hold for 3 or 4 rounds (or more) before he started punching
in more than several of his fights he should have been dq'd, there is nothing good about that
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Wlad beat the best heavyweights and was the best at the weight. It may have been a very poor standard but he was the best from it.
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are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?
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are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?
I hated Wlad holding but he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.
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are you happy with his holding tactics during that time?
I hated Wlad holding but
he was still the best fighter. Wlad did not have to hold but he was so scared about his vulnerable chin that he did it excessively.
I don't think you can say that for sure
would he have beaten Peter in their second fight if he was stopped from holding?
he shouldn't have won the fight, he should have been DQ'd without a doubt
would he have beaten Provetkin?
would he have beaten haye?
haye was one of his best performances but he still held excessively
as soon as he was stopped from holding against any half decent opponent he looked terrible
I don't think we will ever know if wlad was the best boxer during that period, he was just the best at wlad rules
