AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go fuck yourself
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AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go fuck yourself
Agreed about Lewis being the best ever and being able to beat any heavyweight in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Why the hostility against Kirkland?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go fuck yourself
Lewis beat Mason very early in his career that trumps AJ.
Um because he's a pompous asshole....that good enough? In this case he's also terribly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhy the hostility against Kirkland?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go fuck yourself
Lewis beat Mason very early in his career that trumps AJ.
Mason? I think sparking out Kevin Johnson is a pretty decent win for a fighter's 13th bout. Gary Mason....perhaps a great British boxer, but on the world stage he wasn't anything special.
I'd give Whyte and Brezeale a healthy chance against Mason.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhy the hostility against Kirkland?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go fuck yourself
Lewis beat Mason very early in his career that trumps AJ.
Then I give up on you, I really do. Wash my hands of you now. It is over. Bye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI'd give Whyte and Brezeale a healthy chance against Mason.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhy the hostility against Kirkland?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go fuck yourself
Lewis beat Mason very early in his career that trumps AJ.
The ONLY people I've heard of on Mason's entire record are: Lennox, Biggs, Bigfoot Martin, Quick Tillis, Donnie Long, David Jaco, Alfonso Ratliff, and Sammy Scaff.....of those fighters only Lennox and Tillis had what I would call successful professional careers and this was in an era where there WERE big fights to be had but apparently Mason didn't want any of those (gee I wonder why :rolleyes: ). The rest of those opponents I heard of were just that OPPONENTS, they were guys people fought to get rounds in or get experience, they weren't title holders, title contenders, or even acid tests, they were certified Tomato Cans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'll tell you this right now, 'Bonecrusher' Smith would have blasted Mason out of the water, 'Razor' Rudduck would have smashed him, Morrison would have schooled him, Ray Mercer, Old Foreman, Oliver McCall, Bruce Seldon, Larry Donald, fucking Pierre Coetzer would have beaten him IMO!
Gary Mason (God rest his soul) never fought anyone with a pulse until Lennox came along. Tillis at the time they fought already had 14 losses on his record and just got done getting stopped by Holyfield.
Bruno is the best lb4lb fighter over 6 rounds in historyQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSure, AJ can develop into a great heavyweight but he's going to have to be able to deal with a lot of things in order to achieve that. He needs to keep progressing, he needs to be wary of trap fights, he needs to remain humble, and he needs to know that he can win on the cards or get the KO when he needs it. He'll need to be able to get off the canvas to win, he'll need to be able to avenge losses, and he'll need to be able to put poor performances behind him because not every fight will be a great one from him.
Uh don't you mean Frank Bruno???Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I was teasing Primo. I know Mason was not that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThe ONLY people I've heard of on Mason's entire record are: Lennox, Biggs, Bigfoot Martin, Quick Tillis, Donnie Long, David Jaco, Alfonso Ratliff, and Sammy Scaff.....of those fighters only Lennox and Tillis had what I would call successful professional careers and this was in an era where there WERE big fights to be had but apparently Mason didn't want any of those (gee I wonder why :rolleyes: ). The rest of those opponents I heard of were just that OPPONENTS, they were guys people fought to get rounds in or get experience, they weren't title holders, title contenders, or even acid tests, they were certified Tomato Cans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'll tell you this right now, 'Bonecrusher' Smith would have blasted Mason out of the water, 'Razor' Rudduck would have smashed him, Morrison would have schooled him, Ray Mercer, Old Foreman, Oliver McCall, Bruce Seldon, Larry Donald, fucking Pierre Coetzer would have beaten him IMO!
Gary Mason (God rest his soul) never fought anyone with a pulse until Lennox came along. Tillis at the time they fought already had 14 losses on his record and just got done getting stopped by Holyfield.
BTW all those fighters would give AJ a good fight much better than anyone he has fought until now.
Sure you were ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yeah in their primes they were good fighters....not perfect, but good. They were just as inconsistent as the guys floating around now who can't grab hold of the belts. More exciting to watch maybe (probably because they were more apt to fight each other), but also with that excitement they were more apt to lose when they shouldn't have....like Mercer to old Holmes or Morrison to Hipp or Ruddock to Jaco and so on
I did not rate Mason at all but Lennox taking him on at the stage he was and the "record" Gary had built was a big test and jump in class for Lennox.
Which just goes to prove that the current division is just beyond threadbare compared to the Lewis era. Seventeen fights during which you beat possibly the worst beltholder ever for your title and then you're fighting schoolteachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go fuck yourself
Also AJ has not gone more than 7 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhich just goes to prove that the current division is just beyond threadbare compared to the Lewis era. Seventeen fights during which you beat possibly the worst beltholder ever for your title and then you're fighting schoolteachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go fuck yourself
I'd actually defend Dixon more than a Mason ;D Within one year he stood and traded with Sanders, Seldon who he had rocked bad, Mercer in a slugfest, McCall and then demolished a top 5 heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike DixonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Go fuck yourself
Ha ha, a thread about Joshua and the long long line of illustrious British heavyweights 😜. It's probably true to say they - at the moment he turned pro - AJ was already at least the second best heavyweight in British heavyweight history!
You could even argue he is the best British produced heavyweight of all time, as Lennox learnt to box and was really produced by the Canadian amateur system and then truly created by Manny Steward.