Who disgraced boxing more: Clinch-ko or Chicken Floyd?

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Originally Posted by Master

No one is begging for Floyd to come back. He is manufacturing a comeback fight and trying to stay relevant.

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YOU'RE Begging him to come back! Tick Tock! ;D

Each is or was successful by our own fault to a large degree. I save all blame for disgracing the sport for the ever faithful and all too consistent blind-corrupt judges. Also for promoters who push garbage mismatches.

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Originally Posted by vidgil

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Originally Posted by Master

Boxers risk their health and lives ever time they step in the ring but they know that when they get in the ring. Do not use that to justify the poor match between Floyd v Manny, 5 years past its sell by date.

Shockingly poor value fight ever.

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Floyd was like the cowardly kid who waited for his friends to jump into the water before he would so he knew it wasn't too cold ;D

He waited until Pac hadn't KO'd anyone in years and was no longer the killer he was in 2008. He waited until much lesser fighters were fighting Pac and surviving. Then and only then he agreed to the fight.

If the fight happened in 2008 I think Pac KO's him... and I'm from Floyd's home town! ;D

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You still think it was floyds fault? Even after pac was obviously lying the whole time?

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Originally Posted by vidgil

These are my two least favorite fighters and I blame both of them in large part for doing horrible damage to boxing.

Chicken Floyd was very talented but his greatest talent was fighting the right guys at the right time. Ran away from Pac until he was sure he was washed up, and even then had to cheat to win with that shoulder injection and denying Pac one. Fought in a scared way and bored the general public to tears.

Clinch-ko fought everyone and didn't duck like Floyd, but he fought like a scared man, bored everyone to tears and completely killed the HW division, which is supposed to be boxing's money division.

They were both so dreadful they made the great champions of the past ashamed they were ever involved in boxing.

Which one do you think disgraced boxing more?

EDIT: In terms of their in-ring performances. Outside the ring, there is no question who has the better character between the two! ;D

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There is not even a sliver of a doubt of what you say: they both indeed totally disgraced the sport of boxing for far too long. What a refreshing thing it was when Floyd retired and Fury embarrassed Wlad. It gave boxing a new life.

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Originally Posted by vidgil

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Originally Posted by Master

Boxers risk their health and lives ever time they step in the ring but they know that when they get in the ring. Do not use that to justify the poor match between Floyd v Manny, 5 years past its sell by date.

Shockingly poor value fight ever.

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Floyd was like the cowardly kid who waited for his friends to jump into the water before he would so he knew it wasn't too cold ;D

He waited until Pac hadn't KO'd anyone in years and was no longer the killer he was in 2008. He waited until much lesser fighters were fighting Pac and surviving. Then and only then he agreed to the fight.

If the fight happened in 2008 I think Pac KO's him... and I'm from Floyd's home town! ;D

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Your confused.

Hate to drag up old news but there's a video with Freddie roach where he openly admits the reason the first fight never took place was because Pac never agreed to testing in the week of the fight.

That's old news anyway..Pac lost the fight..it's over now.

"Who disgraced boxing more" and "Who was worse for boxing" are two questions with entirely different answers for me.

Who disgraced boxing more?

Well, if we're talking about disgracing boxing, we have to go outside the ring and look at their behavior. I don't think anyone's got qualms with Wlad's behavior outside of boxing. One could say he was sort of an ambassador to the sport. Well-educated, well-mannered, mostly free of scandals and foolish or illegal behavior. Never been arrested that I know of. Floyd on the other hand, has had all kinds of legal and behavior problems, mostly very well documented. So this is a slam dunk for me. If we're talking disgracing the sport of boxing, I'd have to go with Floyd.

Who has been worse for boxing?

Another slam dunk, but in the other direction. Love Floyd or hate him, he's been true to his style of fighting since Day One. Now THAT'S a perfectionist in the art of hitting and not getting hit. He may piss people off by the way he is, but he is/was the consummate boxer. The shoulder rolls, the adapting of his style to his opponent, the alternating between offense and defense, his mastery of the ring. It may not be pretty to some, but he plied his craft well. People accuse him of ducking fighters like Margacheato. Why on Earth would Floyd have to get in the ring with #1 a well-known cheater, and #2 a guy who outweighs him by a bunch, and probably would even more on fight night? Just cause Pacquiao (bless his soul) got in the ring with Cheato and busted his eye socket ;D doesn't mean Floyd was obligated to do the same thing. So to the detractors of Floyd, this ducking business is a bit mild and overstated. He fought some very big names, at some very good times. He def should've faced Pac earlier in his career, but it is what it is. I don't think boxing was any worse off because of Floyd. Now Wlad, on the other hand, single-handedly brought down the HW division. After getting KTFO'ed a few times early on, he changed his style to one of a scared rabbit. He clinched, he mauled, he fouled, he did everything possible to turn every single goddamn HW title fight into a boring, exasperating spectacle. The examples are too many. Sultan, Haye, Povetkin, Fury..... all were forgettable, mostly because of Wlad's reluctance to engage. So who was worse for boxing? Without a doubt...... Wlad.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

"Who disgraced boxing more" and "Who was worse for boxing" are two questions with entirely different answers for me.

Who disgraced boxing more?

Well, if we're talking about disgracing boxing, we have to go outside the ring and look at their behavior. I don't think anyone's got qualms with Wlad's behavior outside of boxing. One could say he was sort of an ambassador to the sport. Well-educated, well-mannered, mostly free of scandals and foolish or illegal behavior. Never been arrested that I know of. Floyd on the other hand, has had all kinds of legal and behavior problems, mostly very well documented. So this is a slam dunk for me. If we're talking disgracing the sport of boxing, I'd have to go with Floyd.

Who has been worse for boxing?

Another slam dunk, but in the other direction. Love Floyd or hate him, he's been true to his style of fighting since Day One. Now THAT'S a perfectionist in the art of hitting and not getting hit. He may piss people off by the way he is, but he is/was the consummate boxer. The shoulder rolls, the adapting of his style to his opponent, the alternating between offense and defense, his mastery of the ring. It may not be pretty to some, but he plied his craft well. People accuse him of ducking fighters like Margacheato. Why on Earth would Floyd have to get in the ring with #1 a well-known cheater, and #2 a guy who outweighs him by a bunch, and probably would even more on fight night? Just cause Pacquiao (bless his soul) got in the ring with Cheato and busted his eye socket ;D doesn't mean Floyd was obligated to do the same thing. So to the detractors of Floyd, this ducking business is a bit mild and overstated. He fought some very big names, at some very good times. He def should've faced Pac earlier in his career, but it is what it is. I don't think boxing was any worse off because of Floyd. Now Wlad, on the other hand, single-handedly brought down the HW division. After getting KTFO'ed a few times early on, he changed his style to one of a scared rabbit. He clinched, he mauled, he fouled, he did everything possible to turn every single goddamn HW title fight into a boring, exasperating spectacle. The examples are too many. Sultan, Haye, Povetkin, Fury..... all were forgettable, mostly because of Wlad's reluctance to engage. So who was worse for boxing? Without a doubt...... Wlad.

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I would have loved to see a prime Tito get his hands on Floyd.

Floyd has the most boring number ppv fights in the history of the sport. Therefore it is the money man. Floyd is just waiting and hoping people will forget the dull fights he has had so that they can buy his next 50th one.

Floyd is the hoping "you all must have forgot"

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Originally Posted by Master

Floyd has the most boring number ppv fights in the history of the sport. Therefore it is the money man. Floyd is just waiting and hoping people will forget the dull fights he has had so that they can buy his next 50th one.

Floyd is the hoping "you all must have forgot"

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Buying a Floyd PPV is like going to a nice restaurant, ordering your food and the server comes out, drops trow and pinches a loaf right on your plate!

I've never paid to see a Floyd fight and never would! Horrible value for your buck

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Originally Posted by vidgil

I would have loved to see a prime Tito get his hands on Floyd.

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Tito doesn't even connect with Floyd. Floyd was too quick, too good on his feet, and too smart to let Tito even land.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

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Originally Posted by vidgil

I would have loved to see a prime Tito get his hands on Floyd.

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Tito doesn't even connect with Floyd. Floyd was too quick, too good on his feet, and too smart to let Tito even land.

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Over 12 rounds Trinidad will land. Also doesn't have to worry about much coming back in the way of power.
Prime Trinidad was light-years better than Canelo, and even Canelo managed to land one or two the whole fight.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

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Originally Posted by vidgil

I would have loved to see a prime Tito get his hands on Floyd.

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Tito doesn't even connect with Floyd. Floyd was too quick, too good on his feet, and too smart to let Tito even land.

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Tito would never land because Floyd would never fight him ;D

Otherwise he'd get put to sleep by one of those left hooks.

Even washed up Mosley had Floyd dancing like a fish!

If Tito landed then Floyd would be wobbling and for anyone mentioning Oscar, they should remember he was taller and stronger than Floyd was.

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Originally Posted by Master

If Tito landed then Floyd would be wobbling and for anyone mentioning Oscar, they should remember he was taller and stronger than Floyd was.

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If a washed up, drunk, cocaine-abusing, cross dressing Oscar could almost beat Floyd, I can only imagine what he would have done to Floyd if he was closer to his prime!

Come to think of it, Chicken Floyd always seemed to have a problem with men who wear women's panties. Chop Chop Corley also had him hurt bad in their fight! ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtyDlsOO98A