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Health care is a human right and should be free at the point of use for all. I remember as a teenager going to hospital and the doctor right there and then said they could operate. I procrastinated and never did the surgery, but now if I wanted to do that it would cost me about 8,000 pounds out here. I wish I did do it then and missed a great opportunity. The UK in that respect is great. However, the last time I went to a doctor they tried referring me to a private clinic for something that could have been easily handled without going private. I saw that as a sign that things were changing there.
What the politicians have done to the health care system is criminal and at the same time they reduce corporation taxes and continue to allow the rich to avoid paying any taxes. The shortfall could easily come from that and instead they purposely hand contracts to their friends. It is criminal and that is how they think. The rich must get richer and the price worth paying is the collapse of the NHS.
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Nonplussed come.on, B. I'm never nonplussed plus you suck at math. NHS is piss because patients have to 'self diagnose' and then go to the doctor for unknown conditions. NHS is only good for known conditions. Nonplus, NHS has been very selective about who gets the "best treatment". If you went private you'd certainly get less cancellations as well. Doctors have zero training on new, rare diseases.
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Nonplussed come.on, B. I'm never nonplussed plus you suck at math. NHS is piss because patients have to 'self diagnose' and then go to the doctor for unknown conditions. NHS is only good for known conditions. Nonplus, NHS has been very selective about who gets the "best treatment". If you went private you'd certainly get less cancellations as well. Doctors have zero training on new, rare diseases.
Why should people be forced to turn to private health care when health care is a human right? The money to pay for the system is there, but instead you would rather the super rich not pay their share of tax which is what has happened. Then the same elite get health contracts on the cheap and lo and behold they get even richer and ordinary people lose out even more. 'Tax them for it' cry the masses, 'Give us back our health care!'. 'No' says Brock, 'They worked hard for that money and it is their right to park the profits in an offshore tax haven'.
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What right do you or anyone have to decide what others should "fairly" pay? Or to decide for others how altruistic they "should" be?
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Half of Americans aged 27-37 on an income of 24,000 dollars of less do not have health coverage. My point is that with your philosophy where the rich avoid paying taxes you have massive inequality and human suffering. In a system where people do not have health coverage they struggle to get treatment and serious conditions do not get diagnosed. To deny them health care coverage because of an ideology where money (all money is created by banks) should remain in the pockets of the wealthy and distribution be denied is essentially an evil one. That is where a system like the NHS is necessary and it is necessary because of the difference it can make to the lives of ordinary people who cannot afford to spend 10,000 dollars a year covering their family.
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I never said there is no massive inequality nor did I say that millions of people cannot get treatment. Please tell.me how you/anyone would implement this massive collection of funds via taxation of the billionaires, into some kind of health service apparatus. So, step one is ...... "_____________{place someone's name here} unilaterally declares that _____________[place the type of billionaire in the blank, e.g. a sudden Power Ball winner/a poor man who suddenly inherited mega-millions/a diligent entrepreneur/a genius inventor/a conniving oil tycoon, etc.] Should starting RIGHT NOW no longer avail him/herself of ______________(place specific bullet point of tax code here) in order to treat _______________ (place specific G.A.A.P. accounting scenario here) as an extraordinary circumstance/unusual and/or catastrophic event, thereby qualifying for a tax credit...."
That was Step 1. Umm,........ Yeah, that would.go over easily through the Legislative Branch, i.e. THOUSANDS OF LAWMAKERS AND STAGES OF VOTING ON PROPOSED BILLS, ETC.............
Do you realize we have not even gone to Step 2 yet? Redistributing this newfound money? This is worse than a fairy tale.
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I never said there is no massive inequality nor did I say that millions of people cannot get treatment. Please tell.me how you/anyone would implement this massive collection of funds via taxation of the billionaires, into some kind of health service apparatus. So, step one is ...... "_____________{place someone's name here} unilaterally declares that _____________[place the type of billionaire in the blank, e.g. a sudden Power Ball winner/a poor man who suddenly inherited mega-millions/a diligent entrepreneur/a genius inventor/a conniving oil tycoon, etc.] Should starting RIGHT NOW no longer avail him/herself of ______________(place specific bullet point of tax code here) in order to treat _______________ (place specific G.A.A.P. accounting scenario here) as an extraordinary circumstance/unusual and/or catastrophic event, thereby qualifying for a tax credit...."
That was Step 1. Umm,........ Yeah, that would.go over easily through the Legislative Branch, i.e. THOUSANDS OF LAWMAKERS AND STAGES OF VOTING ON PROPOSED BILLS, ETC.............
Do you realize we have not even gone to Step 2 yet? Redistributing this newfound money? This is worse than a fairy tale.
In America it does seem to be a lost cause because the system is completely corrupt, but in the UK they have an opportunity if people will get behind Jeremy Corbyn. All it takes is an increase in the tax rates for corporations and the elite. The rich have quadrupled their wealth in recent years, so the money is there, but it has all been given to them whilst simultaneously stripping state services and privatising. Get it back through inheritance, closing loopholes, and declaring war on tax havens.
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@Gandalf believe me I wish everyone could afford coverage.
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Nonplussed come.on, B. I'm never nonplussed plus you suck at math. NHS is piss because patients have to 'self diagnose' and then go to the doctor for unknown conditions. NHS is only good for known conditions. Nonplus, NHS has been very selective about who gets the "best treatment". If you went private you'd certainly get less cancellations as well. Doctors have zero training on new, rare diseases.
This is all complete bollocks. Typical arrogance from someone who despite having never used the service pretends that they are some kind of authority. You don't have to self diagnose at all, what do you think examinations, scans etc are for? Idiot.The whole point of the NHS is that it is not selective about who gets the best treatment. The idea that doctors have zero training on new rare diseases Is also just complete fabrication from you. You just make stuff up. Why? Seriously what does it matter to you that the NHS is so loved in a country you look down your nose at?
You are 2 pork pies short of a picnic mate. I have direct experience with your NHS. Have you no empathy for the vast numbers of elderly, vulnerable people left on trolleys for hours and hours? Are you that heartless, you nasty little.man? Is the utter lack of diagnosis and the piss-poor lack of treatment and even drugs OK with you? Try and question some of your stubborn and long-held beliefs. Mate the NHS is sinking. You can't even reform it. Take a look at what France, Germany or Holland does. What a beautiful mix of public and private! Your Chancellor is writing checks to this communist-style monstrosity.
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Nonplussed come.on, B. I'm never nonplussed plus you suck at math. NHS is piss because patients have to 'self diagnose' and then go to the doctor for unknown conditions. NHS is only good for known conditions. Nonplus, NHS has been very selective about who gets the "best treatment". If you went private you'd certainly get less cancellations as well. Doctors have zero training on new, rare diseases.
This is all complete bollocks. Typical arrogance from someone who despite having never used the service pretends that they are some kind of authority. You don't have to self diagnose at all, what do you think examinations, scans etc are for? Idiot.The whole point of the NHS is that it is not selective about who gets the best treatment. The idea that doctors have zero training on new rare diseases Is also just complete fabrication from you. You just make stuff up. Why? Seriously what does it matter to you that the NHS is so loved in a country you look down your nose at?
You are 2 pork pies short of a picnic mate. I have direct experience with your NHS. Have you no empathy for the vast numbers of elderly, vulnerable people left on trolleys for hours and hours? Are you that heartless, you nasty little.man? Is the utter lack of diagnosis and the piss-poor lack of treatment and even drugs OK with you? Try and question some of your stubborn and long-held beliefs. Mate the NHS is sinking. You can't even reform it. Take a look at what France, Germany or Holland does. What a beautiful mix of public and private! Your Chancellor is writing checks to this communist-style monstrosity.
How do you have direct experience if you have never lived here? The tories whose ideology is mirrored by the kind of politics you admire and believe in are responsible for those people left to wait for treatment and yet I am the heartless nasty little man? You are the one constantly mocking people for empathy and scoffing at the idea of social justice not me. Only an American and a pretty brainwashed deluded one at that would call the NHS a 'communist style monstrosity'. You just make stuff up constantly and never address any of the points when people call you out on your bullshit.
Did you even read this - The Tory blueprint for wrecking our public services
The reason the NHS is struggling is because much like Thatcher closing down the mining industry the current Government wants it to fail to justify privatising it. I get that you have thrown your lot in with the elite but if you want to do that you must live with the consequences of being trampled underfoot by the corporate behemoth you have just voted for. You are now an employer of Trump enterprises but that does not give you the right to come and spread your toxic corporate bullshit here. We don't want to ape your failed system its stinks and this widening between the haves and have nots is the real nasty secret in the room. People are dying because of such a sick philosophy and you are actively trying to spread the rot with your corporate slave propaganda.
It is American companies lie ATOS that have the blood of hundreds of dead British disabled and terminally ill people found fit for work on their hands. There is it seems, no lows to which your model will not stoop in an effort to make money.
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Oh this will be fun....I won't comment because I already know Beanz will whine about me being American....but I sure will watch this clusterfuck of a thread. (It'll be a clusterfuck because how people react, I actually agree with you X).
If it was not for the NHS my Mrs would be dead. If it was not for the NHS my daughter would have died whilst her mother was in a coma. If it wasn't for the NHS then my three grandchildren would not be here. None of that has anything to do with whining or you being American, but you know according the Brock the NHS is piss. So sit back and wait for the clusterfuck if that is your idea of an evening well spent.
Well then, ALL HAIL the NHS and never let anyone ever question it, the funding of it, or the policies of it.
I've had sick family members too Beanz, they didn't have an NHS to look after them, they ended up quite alright. In fact I would not be here if it was not for a charity which allowed for my Grandmother to have a full and healthy life....In return for such a gift it is my honor to belong to and support that very same charity paying it forward to other families. Sadly my Grandmother is just now in Hospice and does not have much of a journey left in her earthly life, but at her age she can look back on a life well lived...she defied the odds. And not due to some government entitlement/burden on the taxpayer but due to the free will and good charity of willing citizens. Good can come from other sources than just the government.
Healthcare and Mental Healthcare are very difficult issues to handle. You will ALWAYS have the healthy paying for the sickly, you will ALWAYS have the young paying for the old. And those in great need of care likely aren't able to afford the care they need. My only issue is that government mandates, coercion at the point of a gun/threat of jail are not needed to get people to help their fellow man. But That is just my belief.
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'Coercion at the point of a gun/The threat of jail?' You literally have no idea do you Lyle. People want to support the NHS. The ones destroying it are the elite born into privilege who have no need of it like the Current Health Secretary Jeremy CHunt , a man born into the same moneyed state as your Idol The Donald. Funny how you and The Brock are basically aligning yourselves with the aristiocracy and Royals.
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The only Royal here is your Queen-supporting ass. Trump will roil the Royals. Foil the Royals. Trump will trump the Windsor rumps.
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The only Royal here is your Queen-supporting ass. Trump will roil the Royals. Foil the Royals. Trump will trump the Windsor rumps.
I am about as far from being a Royalist as you are likely to get before being locked up for treason. You love em mate. Trump is the American version of them and you bought into that bollocks when you sold your soul down the river for a cheap pop at anyone who disagrees with you or is less fortunate than you.
