Trump just yanked the "Russia card" right out of Democrats’ hands

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Also you are waffling in flip-flopping. You said it was a false flag conducted by American covert operations. Now you are saying that Assad it is. Which one is it?

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You yourself claimed that both the US and Russia tricked Assad into carrying out this attrocity so hold the bullshit about flip flopping you are the flip flop king.

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That illogical comment of yours makes no sense and has no bearing on my question to miles

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It makes perfect sense. You are accusing people of flip flopping when you have done just that on this very issue.

You are accusing people of being apologists whilst excusing Assad himself the man you believe carried out this attack, claiming he was tricked by both Russia and the US.

You can't have it all ways

Damn you are hemming and hawing like somebody on the 206 via Bournemouth, mate looks like I hit a nerve inside your head on this issue. Anytime innocent women and children are killed I am outraged. How dare you say that I would not be outraged by innocent women and children being killed five years ago. I thought Obama was a loser and I thought Obama should have done something militarily five years ago when Assad crossed at the red line. Your problem is you try to put words in people's mouths.

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Damn you are hemming and hawing like somebody on the 206 via Bournemouth, mate looks like I hit a nerve inside your head on this issue. Anytime innocent women and children are killed I am outraged. How dare you say that I would not be outraged by innocent women and children being killed five years ago. I thought Obama was a loser and I thought Obama should have done something militarily five years ago when Assad crossed at the red line. Your problem is you try to put words in people's mouths.

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Fake outrage Brockton, like your entire kooky persona. It's all a big joke to you. You have not stopped taking the piss out of me for humanitarian work on behalf of Syrians for the last couple of years. You literally don't give a fuck about the people killed and displaced by this conflict. You have described how disgusting and distasteful you found having to step over those displaced by the conflict was to you in European cities.

Yes beans welcome to reality it is perfectly okay to feel disgusted about stepping over human feces and urine and people who have not taking showers for several weeks. Or perhaps you do enjoy that beautiful aroma? Are you out of your mind made? You just can't make this stuff up. Of course I care about people suffering and people killing other people. I have supported the blacks and the Jews and the Armenians and the syrians since day one. No idea what you are on about. The sun has been tricked into using chemical weapons but that does not excuse him from doing so. He needs to be taken out.

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Damn you are hemming and hawing like somebody on the 206 via Bournemouth, mate looks like I hit a nerve inside your head on this issue. Anytime innocent women and children are killed I am outraged. How dare you say that I would not be outraged by innocent women and children being killed five years ago. I thought Obama was a loser and I thought Obama should have done something militarily five years ago when Assad crossed at the red line. Your problem is you try to put words in people's mouths.

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Mate you are like a little slithering ferret or a little creeping mole who Burrows into the corners and stockpiles people's past posts going years and years back into the past like some old decrepit neurotic librarian. Then you trot out these old links like you are some type of devonian worshiper of cataloging. You just can't make this stuff up mate.

can't get the tread link to work

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While it seems to fit people's political agenda to pretend that Assad has nothing to do with chemical attacks on his own civilian population that does nothing to remove the horror of children being gassed to death in their sleep. Many would have you believe that inaction is somehow the humanitarian and just response to what is happening right now in Syria and that there are only really two choices. Do nothing or send Missiles raining down on a corrupt regime. That is simply not true. To pretend that John Kerry or Obama have some how engineered a situation that has been allowed to flourish under the tacit support of Iran, China and Russia is both hypocritical and morally redundant. These are regimes that routinely use brutality and murder to eradicate dissent. Things may be changing though. Iran has a new leader, and it is early days, but he could well be more moderate than the last. Withdrawing his support for Assad will make a huge difference to the balance of power in the region and at least allow the country to decide it's own fate. It is the easy route to suggest that that entire rebel army are militant Islamic extremists and therefore we should be paralysed into inaction and just watch as people are butchered. The reality is much more complicated and will only be solved once factors like Russia supplying the regime with massive firepower is resolved. People are afraid of World War 3 happening and seem to suggest that doing nothing is an option. I can not subscribe to such a view. Intervention does not have to mean Military their are diplomatic, humanitarian and intelligence lead ways of engineering situations. While it is not for those outside a country to decide who should win a civil war and govern it there is a strong case to be made for not standing idly by as other countries arm a government and support the brutalisation and murder of it's own civilian populace.

Avaaz - A Solution for Syria

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present the proof that Assad has gassed his own people with chemical weapons.

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While it seems to fit people's political agenda to pretend that Assad has nothing to do with chemical attacks on his own civilian population that does nothing to remove the horror of children being gassed to death in their sleep.
Avaaz - A Solution for Syria

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present the proof that Assad has gassed his own people with chemical weapons.

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Why? I am not the one making outlandish claims ? That is the role of weapons inspectors and intelligence officers far more knowledgeable than you or I. Yourself, Miles and Alex Jones have a dog in this fight. A vested interest that would suit you all to paint the west as a conspirational culprit for the war crimes of Assad. You are expecting people to believe that Obama and Kerry want a war because it feeds into your own ridiculous narrative. It is not the responsibility of those making logical deductions to pander to your nonsense. You have all claimed that nobody believes Assad gassed his own people when nothing could be further from the truth.

The question is not who used chemical weapons but what are people going to do about the resulting humanitarian crisis and the millions of refugees displaced by it? Funnily enough you and Miles NEVER mention the leading role the UK and others play in this and in pushing for peace talks ? All it ever is is excuses for complete paralysis and doing nothing but blaming anyone but Assad, Russia, China or Iran. The jury is still out but the idea that Assad would do such a thing to his own people is hardly less believable than the idea that Kerry or America engineered it.


"Evidence points that the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons in an attack near Damascus last month, EU defence ministers have concluded".


Evidence points to Bashar al-Assad using chemical weapons: EU - The Economic Times



"A senior Syrian forensic medicine expert with evidence that President Bashar al-Assad's administration used chemical weapons in an attack in March has defected to Turkey, the opposition claimed today."

Could Syrian defector provide proof Assad used chemical weapons on his own people? Forensic expert prepares to reveal evidence as it emerges regime's troops are hiding among civilians ahead of possible airstrikes | Mail Online

"To back up its case, the French government published a nine-page intelligence synopsis Monday that concluded Assad's regime had launched an attack on Aug. 21 involving a "massive use of chemical agents," and could carry out similar strikes in the future........
the analysis was written by the spy agency DGSE and the military intelligence unit, DRM, and was based on satellite imagery, video images, and on-the-ground sources — plus samples collected from the alleged chemical attacks in April....The synopsis also said French intelligence services had collected urine, blood, soil and munitions samples from two attacks in April — in Saraqeb and Jobar — that confirmed the use of sarin gas.
France is "determined to take action against the use of chemical weapons by the regime of Bashar Assad, and to dissuade it from doing so again," Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said after hosting lawmakers to discuss the intelligence on Syria. "This act cannot go without a response."
France won't act alone and Hollande was "continuing his work of persuasion to bring together a coalition," Ayrault said. French parliament will debate the Syria issue Wednesday, but no vote is scheduled. The French constitution doesn't require such a vote for Hollande, though he could decide to call for one.

Could Syrian defector provide proof Assad used chemical weapons on his own people? Forensic expert prepares to reveal evidence as it emerges regime's troops are hiding among civilians ahead of possible airstrikes | Mail Online


"France says the chemical attack near Damascus last month "could not have been ordered and carried out by anyone but the Syrian government".

BBC News - France: Syrian government 'behind chemical attack'


"BERLIN, Sept. 4 (UPI) -- The German intelligence agency said it had additional evidence to support claims Syrian President Bashar Assad ordered the use of chemical weapons.

German intelligence says Assad likely behind chemical weapons attack - UPI.com

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A dog in it? I have an Aunt in it mate. See, me and Miles know the scoop. You cannot hire the fox to guard the henhouse mate. The BBC and the French press and the mainstream US media have about as much credibility as Al Jazeera or the public relations arm of Al Qaeda. So why not go with what THEY said recently? And that is that the King of Saudi Arabia has supplied the rebels with sarin nerve gas, which they maliciously admit having used against Assad's forces and against innocent cvilians.

Good show to the English Parliament for having the backbone to smack down that piece of rubbish that would have legislated military action against Assad.

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Mate you are like a little slithering ferret or a little creeping mole who Burrows into the corners and stockpiles people's past posts going years and years back into the past like some old decrepit neurotic librarian. Then you trot out these old links like you are some type of devonian worshiper of cataloging. You just can't make this stuff up mate.

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Mate everybody knows that time five years ago that that was a false flag but this one was different

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Mate everybody knows that time five years ago that that was a false flag but this one was different

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Bollocks. It is simply because Trump ordered it and you are infatuated with him.

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Mate everybody knows that time five years ago that that was a false flag but this one was different

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Bollocks. It is simply because Trump ordered it and you are infatuated with him.

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No mate look at the evidence. The planes took off from that air base so it had to be Assad and his forces. Then after Trump launch the cruise missiles 24 hours later more planes took off from the same airbase and bombed the same place where the chemical attacks took place and even bomb the hospital where they took the sarin nerve gas victims. What does that tell you mate?

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Mate everybody knows that time five years ago that that was a false flag but this one was different

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Bollocks. It is simply because Trump ordered it and you are infatuated with him.

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No mate look at the evidence. The planes took off from that air base so it had to be Assad and his forces. Then after Trump launch the cruise missiles 24 hours later more planes took off from the same airbase and bombed the same place where the chemical attacks took place and even bomb the hospital where they took the sarin nerve gas victims. What does that tell you mate?

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It tells me that it is business as usual at the Whitehouse


Donald Trump owns stock in the Tomahawk missiles he used in Syria - Palmer Report

Of course you can't answer my last point which is that the planes took off from a Syrian Airfield okay and then the same plans to go up again from the same Syrian Airfield after Trump used the missiles and bombs the same place as well as bombing the hospital where the chemical attack victims were being treated. You cannot answer that point and now you want to distract that Trump own stock in the company. You have just disqualified yourself from this logical discourse. I will wait for you to answer my point above

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Of course you can't answer my last point which is that the planes took off from a Syrian Airfield okay and then the same plans to go up again from the same Syrian Airfield after Trump used the missiles and bombs the same place as well as bombing the hospital where the chemical attack victims were being treated. You cannot answer that point and now you want to distract that Trump own stock in the company. You have just disqualified yourself from this logical discourse. I will wait for you to answer my point above

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Really? You want to haul your own arse over the coals to prove intellectually dishonest and morally disingenuous you are? You sure?


This is a classic strawman argument. Where have I argued that Assad did not chemically bomb his own people ? This is something you argued against five years ago and here is what I posted 5 days ago in your thread in which you suggest Assad was duped into bombing his own people by both the US and Russia.


"I think you have to be just as careful in wishing to see beyond the obvious, not to dismiss the obvious. Assad has a terrible record on human rights and torture from many disparate sources, many with no vested interest in maintaining the mainstream narrative. It is no less likely that he would be dumb, narcissistic and spiteful enough to target his own civilians in such a way as it would be for terrorists to be used in launching such an attack as a deflection exercise. Saddam, Gaddafi all these guys trying set up their own financial systems, independently of America, are not absolved of the horrendous human rights abuses they carried out by the fact the media is not telling people the whole story. If you try and pick your own way through the available evidence then the one overwhelming thing that stands out is the amount of open ends, loose trails and contradictions. That is why the easy answers supplied by Alex Jones and Infowars etc are just as full of bullshit as that prepared by the mainstream media. The most worrying thing in this whole double bluff is that Trump's team coming into power on Bannon's promise to destroy both the Republican and Democratic systems, including those of the mainstream media, absolves them of all responsibility. None of the previous rules apply and so their followers while just as gullible as those who swallowed Obama's schtick, kid themselves that the actual political change needed, has already happened, whilst in reality the White House Administration acts like it always has."


Logical discourse and distraction ? Let's hold you to nothing but your own standards once again then


How can the fact that Assad managed to reuse an airfield supposedly bombed by Trump purely to stop him using it to launch aircraft from prove anything other than the chronic ineptitude of the US war machine or the willing collusion with Assad and the Russians? It's not a way of disproving the very conspiracy theories you have been trundling out for years now that those who vote democrat are saying the same thing. You have just swung right into line behind another incarnation of the same bullshit. And I know it's uncomfortable to read about how your president directly benefits financially by firing rockets that also kill civilians, but it is the absolute opposite thing to a distraction. It gets to the very heart of the matter, and hits the target very accurately, which is more than can be said for your missiles Brockton.

mate answer the question: how could SYRIAN and/or RUSSIAN planes bomb the site where "a US FALSE FLAG" WAS done?

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