Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
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Ron Swanson
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Glad this will finally be over. After this GGG needs to start challenging himself.
Oh my god. I just realized after this we will probably get BJS. GGG will never challenge himself.
Nice one Ron. Getting the hate in early!;) so, who do YOU Suggest GGG Should fight to "Challenge" himself?
Jacobs is owed a rematch.
Are you excited to see a year of him beating up Canelo and BJS? Neither is on his level. It's not hate, I'm consistent with all fighters that I want to see them challenge themselves above all else. From my favorite to most hated, I just want to know how good they are. And that can't be decided by fighting guys you are clearly better than. I openly admit I underestimated Jacobs.
Well to be fair Ron, if you're saying he should rematch Jacobs because you felt Jacobs won and deserves that , you know what, I 100% agree.
But we all know Boxing doesn't work like that. If this fight was a possibility, it was always going to take precedence.
But I agree, Jacobs deserved a rematch. Jacobs could well be responsible for the slow decline in GGG and who knows, maybe , just maybe Oscar has timed this perfectly.
Hopefully Jacobs gets the winner.
Don't take what I say about a Canelo fight as some judgement of GGG by the way. Everyone chases the paydays. Just, if there is Jacobs and BJS waiting I don't want to hear some nonsense about chasing the dream of unification that he just passed on to chase the dream of dollars. It's one way or the other. I've tired of the ever changing stories.
Re: Canelo vs GGG..weight?
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In September do we know what the weight will be?
Is it 160 or another carchweight?
How do you think this fight goes down?
Is the power of Canelo going to be effective at 160?
Is GGG still picking on the small guys?
(Apart from Jacobs)
Discuss..
the hbo fellows said it was at the 160 limit.
I just don't think Canelo will hurt GGG.
His punches might not be that effective at this weight.
He needs to try and outbox him and use all those 26 years against GGG 35 years.
If GGG wins I want the BJS fight and Jacobs rematch straight away..and is Lara still a viable choice?
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
GGG might be another Hopkins and fight on for another 5 years..
Canelo got tired in the middle rounds against Chavez..the size difference was massive.
I was expecting oscar to drag it out until Autumn 2018..quite surprised it's happening now.
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
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GGG might be another Hopkins and fight on for another 5 years..
Canelo got tired in the middle rounds against Chavez..the size difference was massive.
I was expecting oscar to drag it out until Autumn 2018..quite surprised it's happening now.
You listed the problem with the fight. Canelo's stamina. The hope to make this fight competitive fell on the idea moving up in weight would improve his stamina. To beat GGG you have to move and when trapped move your hands. He cuts off the ring so well there is constant pressure. That drains a fighter. But he doesn't do his best work when things are coming back at him. He does amazing damage if you stop fighting though because of his punch selection and technique. If Canelo moved up and his stamina jumped maybe he could move (even though he is slow of foot) and throw and move again because he has good hand speed and good enough power. But his stamina leads him to take breaks. GGG isn't the guy to take breaks against. GGG makes you fight 36 full minutes and Canelo is not about that action.
For Canelo to win he has to out box GGG for 36 minutes. For GGG to win he only has to hold his own when they both fight and do what he does(damage) when Canelo does what he does(takes breaks)
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
We're supposed to give Fishnets credit for this fight finally being made?? Really?
Tell me... what possible excuse on this planet was DLH going to be able to conjure up for NOT fighting Golovkin, after Canelo predictably dispatched the "big-name-punching-bag" in front of him Saturday night? What excuse was Oscar going to dredge up for not facing GGG at 160 after his boy fought Junior at 164.5. Not to mention that the fight night weights were never even remotely mentioned, so as to not overemphasize the fact that Ginger Pubes could be fighting at cruiser if he wanted to.
Oscar did the ONLY thing he could do in the face of what was happening in front of him.... he caved. If anything, Oscar should be apologizing to boxing fans for having avoided GGG as long as he did. This fight should've happened right after Cotto-Canelo. Hopefully in September, Ginger will finally be exposed, and we can all call it a day.
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
I wil not critize this fight at all. I already took the night off for 18 sept. I am truly exited for this fight. I saw golovkin fight macklin at a local casino and you could feel his punches thirty rows back. It was like being a a concert and hearing a bass drum. I personally don't think canelo has a great chance but it's two guys in a ring and anything can happen. I'm assuming this is a ppv fight, what do u think 80 usd. I really don't care at this point unfortunately a good match hS become a vacation day to me with my shitty schedule. I love triple G, not as much as I love @Gandalf but close. If you guys want to come over and watch the fight you are more than welcome. Canelo needs to take rounds off ggg doesnt. I'm still pissed at canelo cause he lost against Austin Trout despite winning. Trout, who was one of my favorites sunk into obscurity after that bullshit payed off judges fight.
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
I tried to sit there and watch a full non lagging version of Canelo v Chavez last night. I don't mind and fully get the pre hype post hype sell job and treating this merely as a formality. It's fully expected and for a mega fight that has had the shelf life of Golovkin-Canelo and it's natural for boxing to turn full on wwe these days. But I'm not sure what it is..honestly having a hard time losing my mind in anticipation that it's finally official and I won't be counting down the days. Oh now I'm all over it and will be forking over some dough don't get me wrong, just that it's been so played out and in the back of my mind waiting for the other shoe to drop and something to knock it off course??? I watched Canelo spar a lackluster "just glad to be here" Chavez and could not get the Trout fight out of my mind and again Canelos over effort to show that he could box and almost coast while in control. Not knocking a guy for winning but just expected to see him kick in the door and press advantages going into his "super fights". Strangely enough I have the exact same feeling now in that Canelo will be saddled with another L and be a bit of a let down. Definitely not comparing Golovkin to Mayweather, nor Chavez to Trout with respects to styles and levels but more convinced now that Golovkin will be the one stepping it up performance wise and brutally welcoming Canelo to the legitimacy of middleweight he's been so hesitant to venture into.
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
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If you guys want to come over and watch the fight you are more than welcome.
Cheers for the offer but me and Eric are going round Niges to watch it
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
I'm going to give credit to Canelo for taking the fight. Some say it's late but in reality the fight is happening within 2 years of Alvarez making his middleweight debut. To be fair Canelo has never technically weighed over 155 pounds until the Chavez fight either. The fact that the fight is happening now gives him a pass in my book. (But I will wait until the bell rings). I'm not sure if Canelo can put the blue print Jacobs set to practice but I'm sure he will come into the fight at his very best.
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
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I'm going to give credit to Canelo for taking the fight. Some say it's late but in reality the fight is happening within 2 years of Alvarez making his middleweight debut. To be fair Canelo has never technically weighed over 155 pounds until the Chavez fight either. The fact that the fight is happening now gives him a pass in my book. (But I will wait until the bell rings). I'm not sure if Canelo can put the blue print Jacobs set to practice but I'm sure he will come into the fight at his very best.
You are too forgiving.
If Oscar and Canelo could have got away with not figting for a couple of more fights they would have tried. They were forced to take this fight as the excuses were getting very thin that even Canelo's own mum would have given him a slap.
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
Finally!
As a boxing fan, this is the biggest fight since Mayweather v Pacquiaio (yes, including the Joshua v Klitschko bout which was probably more of a crossover event)
Looks like people here have GGG as the favourite, and probably rightly so.
I really respect Canelo though. Notwithstanding whatever people think about his backers and team, the guy is a proper fighter. Turning pro at 15, over 50 fights under his belt already and he is only 26. He should be in the middle of his absolute prime right now.
Good engine, solid hitter, decent defence, good technique and a dependable chin. I've never seen him seriously hurt or in trouble. A quality elite operator. If there is a weakness, it's probably his slightly lumbering footwork (which Mayweather exploited beautifully).
The Jacobs fight may have shows some cracks in GGGs armoury, or the effects of age. He has been boxing for over 25 years now, don't forget.
Forget all the talk about weight, both these guys are around the same size and I won't be surprised if Canelo is heavier on the night of the fight.
If Golovkin superior footwork allows him to control the centre of the ring, and the pace of the fight, then I think it's going to be his night. However, if Alvarez doesn't get bullied, I can conceivably see him boxing on the back foot for a few rounds before standing in the pocket and firing back counters like Jacobs did. That certainly made GGG look mortal!
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
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I'm going to give credit to Canelo for taking the fight. Some say it's late but in reality the fight is happening within 2 years of Alvarez making his middleweight debut. To be fair Canelo has never technically weighed over 155 pounds until the Chavez fight either. The fact that the fight is happening now gives him a pass in my book. (But I will wait until the bell rings). I'm not sure if Canelo can put the blue print Jacobs set to practice but I'm sure he will come into the fight at his very best.
You are too forgiving.
If Oscar and Canelo could have got away with not figting for a couple of more fights they would have tried. They were forced to take this fight as the excuses were getting very thin that even Canelo's own mum would have given him a slap.
Hey it could have gone the way that many others have and never eventuated at all.
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
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Finally!
As a boxing fan, this is the biggest fight since Mayweather v Pacquiaio (yes, including the Joshua v Klitschko bout which was probably more of a crossover event)
Looks like people here have GGG as the favourite, and probably rightly so.
I really respect Canelo though. Notwithstanding whatever people think about his backers and team, the guy is a proper fighter. Turning pro at 15, over 50 fights under his belt already and he is only 26. He should be in the middle of his absolute prime right now.
Good engine, solid hitter, decent defence, good technique and a dependable chin. I've never seen him seriously hurt or in trouble. A quality elite operator. If there is a weakness, it's probably his slightly lumbering footwork (which Mayweather exploited beautifully).
The Jacobs fight may have shows some cracks in GGGs armoury, or the effects of age. He has been boxing for over 25 years now, don't forget.
Forget all the talk about weight, both these guys are around the same size and I won't be surprised if Canelo is heavier on the night of the fight.
If Golovkin superior footwork allows him to control the centre of the ring, and the pace of the fight, then I think it's going to be his night. However, if Alvarez doesn't get bullied, I can conceivably see him boxing on the back foot for a few rounds before standing in the pocket and firing back counters like Jacobs did. That certainly made GGG look mortal!
From a money and hype point of view this is probably the biggest fight since Floyd & Manny. But from a Boxing point of view Ward/Kovalev was bigger surely?
Re: Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th. (Apologise to Fishnets. Cretins) Fact.
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I'm going to give credit to Canelo for taking the fight. Some say it's late but in reality the fight is happening within 2 years of Alvarez making his middleweight debut. To be fair Canelo has never technically weighed over 155 pounds until the Chavez fight either. The fact that the fight is happening now gives him a pass in my book. (But I will wait until the bell rings). I'm not sure if Canelo can put the blue print Jacobs set to practice but I'm sure he will come into the fight at his very best.
You are too forgiving.
If Oscar and Canelo could have got away with not figting for a couple of more fights they would have tried. They were forced to take this fight as the excuses were getting very thin that even Canelo's own mum would have given him a slap.
Hey it could have gone the way that many others have and never eventuated at all.
Yes it could have... but at what cost to Canelo's image? They say excuses are like doors. Once a door is closed on you, you have to look for another one. The first door was the marinating one. That's closed. Then it was the weight excuse. Canelo could get away with it while fighting at the famous catchweights. But once he ventured to above 160 that door is now closed also. TBH, Canelo has been able to fight at or above 160 for quite some time.
We're not out of the woods yet, however. Now come the negotiations. Oscar is nothing if not shrewd. We all know you can avoid a fight by setting unreasonable demands (such as the split percentages). We'll see how Oscar treats GGG and if he's serious about making the fight. He's got to be careful to tread that line where he ensures GGG will not accept... while getting fans to see it as GGG's fault and not Oscar's.
