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What did Shane do for him? The only reason Haye was with him is because the gym is a nice snazzy modern one 5 minutes from Haye's old one. Trainer, that has no affiliation/history with star fighter, gets sack after defeat - all par for the course.
When Haye comes back he can claim Shane should've never threw the towel in and stuff like that to deflect away from how shot he is.
if Haye was fit from the off then the tactics were shocking and mcguigan deserves the sackQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Well that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad adviceQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.
IMO he fought 5 rounds knowing the leg would go having done very little, if any, sparring in the build up
I bet it was Haye was the one that wanted to take the chance because he thought it was only Bellew. If it was anyone decent he would not have taken the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44if Haye was fit from the off then the tactics were shocking and mcguigan deserves the sackQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad adviceQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.
IMO he fought 5 rounds knowing the leg would go having done very little, if any, sparring in the build up
I'm trying to get this straight from your comments. It doesn't seem like you have a problem with the fact that he may have gone into a fight knowing he was injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44if Haye was fit from the off then the tactics were shocking and mcguigan deserves the sackQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad adviceQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.
IMO he fought 5 rounds knowing the leg would go having done very little, if any, sparring in the build up
I find this all pretty strange to be honest.
I've always liked and rated Haye, so I'm not a hater. But if a guy goes into a fight where he's earning , let's face it, way more than what the fight is worth, you at least want him to be fit surely?
well he went for a scan on his ankle the week before the fight
and in the first 5 rounds he looks worse than he has ever looked, timing and accuracy worse than its ever been with the only tactic being trying to land a bomb
and he has gotten a whole load of abuse in the past for pulling out of fights injured
I think he went into the fight thinking he could still win despite the injury
I agree with everything you said, his timing was shite , he has had abuse in the past and he probably did take Bellew lightly. But my point is that how do YOU feel about a professional athlete earning millions for a fight going into it without even being fully fit? People bought tickets and PPV to see the best David Haye , which isn't unreasonable considering he was paid the best money.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
after all, it's not like they can go back to Haye and say "alright you weren't properly fit , so we'll only pay you half!" yet he can think " I'm not properly fit , but I'll take the money anyway and a bit of a gamble" .
doesn't seem right to me.
from my personal point of view I watched it on TV and paid £15 for it or something like that and I thought it was a very entertaining fight, probably a lot more entertaining than it would have been if he was fully fitQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree with everything you said, his timing was shite , he has had abuse in the past and he probably did take Bellew lightly. But my point is that how do YOU feel about a professional athlete earning millions for a fight going into it without even being fully fit? People bought tickets and PPV to see the best David Haye , which isn't unreasonable considering he was paid the best money.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
after all, it's not like they can go back to Haye and say "alright you weren't properly fit , so we'll only pay you half!" yet he can think " I'm not properly fit , but I'll take the money anyway and a bit of a gamble" .
doesn't seem right to me.
say I am right and he was injured and he knew he was, do you think he should have pulled out?
Yes just as Manny Pacquiao should have done if he blamed his shoulder for his loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44from my personal point of view I watched it on TV and paid £15 for it or something like that and I thought it was a very entertaining fight, probably a lot more entertaining than it would have been if he was fully fitQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree with everything you said, his timing was shite , he has had abuse in the past and he probably did take Bellew lightly. But my point is that how do YOU feel about a professional athlete earning millions for a fight going into it without even being fully fit? People bought tickets and PPV to see the best David Haye , which isn't unreasonable considering he was paid the best money.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
after all, it's not like they can go back to Haye and say "alright you weren't properly fit , so we'll only pay you half!" yet he can think " I'm not properly fit , but I'll take the money anyway and a bit of a gamble" .
doesn't seem right to me.
say I am right and he was injured and he knew he was, do you think he should have pulled out?
Entertaining! Fair enough . So when AJ Fights Wlad again, Wlad should hit AJ with a Baseball bat, or Bite him, or fuck it , give him a full blown French kiss, cos that would be entertaining wouldn't it?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44from my personal point of view I watched it on TV and paid £15 for it or something like that and I thought it was a very entertaining fight, probably a lot more entertaining than it would have been if he was fully fitQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree with everything you said, his timing was shite , he has had abuse in the past and he probably did take Bellew lightly. But my point is that how do YOU feel about a professional athlete earning millions for a fight going into it without even being fully fit? People bought tickets and PPV to see the best David Haye , which isn't unreasonable considering he was paid the best money.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
after all, it's not like they can go back to Haye and say "alright you weren't properly fit , so we'll only pay you half!" yet he can think " I'm not properly fit , but I'll take the money anyway and a bit of a gamble" .
doesn't seem right to me.
say I am right and he was injured and he knew he was, do you think he should have pulled out?
If you're right and he was injured and he knew he was, the likelihood is that he did little or no sparring , and that would explain how awful his timing was, don't you agree?
Taking all that into consideration, of course he should've pulled out . If he has genuine medical proof of an injury, fuck what everybody thinks!
He had proof of 2 injuries when he pulled out against Fury, fair enough. He didn't pull out against Wlad, he made himself look a cunt. He didn't pull out against Bellew, he made himself look a cunt, not for losing, or for the guts he showed in the last 6 rounds, but for how shit he was in the first 6 rounds due to his unfitness and lack of timing. Bit of a trend there I think.
He should've learnt from his previous mistake.