Re: Is Joe the best supermiddleweight ever?
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I think it's clear that Roy Jones was the greatest ever to pass through the super middleweight division but Calzaghe has had more title defenses there than anyone else and has owned the division for 8 years so I have no argument against him being considered the greatest supermiddleweight.
I agree, on acheivement at the weight he's definitely number 1.
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Originally Posted by artest2000
look at this video of roy and tell me joes better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdBK...ch=roy%20jones
you simply can't
jones was the best. i don't care if jones had 1 fight at supermiddle he still was in middle weight making him the best ever. you see great and best are two different things jones never Archived much compared to other great fighters but he would have beaten them all. its that simple.
you see robinson was greatest but jones would have beaten him at middle or super middleweight.
pound for pound he would have beaten all comers.
baby
Just because someone looks impressive in some fights doesn't necasarily mean he would look just as impressive against a different fighter who has different attributes. Many people looked at footage of Lacy and thought he would destroy Calzaghe, if they hadn't fought these people would still have the same opinion now. Many people thought Shane Mosely was untouchable until he fought Vernon Forrest.
IMO RJJ would definitely be favourite against Joe, but it wouldn't be a walkover. With Joe's hand speed and workrate he may well have been the the guy to pose most problem's to him, it's a shame we'll never know the definite answer.
Re: Is Joe the best supermiddleweight ever?
Re: Is Joe the best supermiddleweight ever?
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Originally Posted by The_One77
time will tell
You say time will tell?? In what way, because there is no one in the division that would put him any higher than what he is right now, and it is debatable if he will fight at 168 again.
Before anyone says Kessler, this guy is am untested fighter, so if Joe does a job on him i cant really seeing it doing anything to his legacy unless Kessler comes back bigger and better.
Im quite certain that Joe will be fighting at 175 in July.
Re: Is Joe the best supermiddleweight ever?
Both RJJ and James Toney rank above Joe Calzaghe as some of the best super middleweights of all time. They constantly fought the best and usually won, Joe is in the top 5 but i wouldn't say HE IS the best
Re: Is Joe the best supermiddleweight ever?
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Originally Posted by artest2000
ok fair enough
who would have beaten jones at 168lbs
be truthfull
no one
Steve Collins but RJJ wanted nothing of him.
Re: Is Joe the best supermiddleweight ever?
::** RJJ would have beat the shit out of Collins, it would have been gross, seriously.
Re: Is Joe the best supermiddleweight ever?
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Originally Posted by chamiley
well we shouldn't use would haves and could haves in analyzing someone. yes I would also favor jones to win over joe in their primes but when you have two guyz with so much skill in the ring you never know what might happen, also both of their key asset was their speed plus with joe being a southpaw and roy saying after the fight with tarver that fighting southpaws is always a problem for him we will never know how the fight would have fared. Joe definetly had the skills to pull a Schmelling-Louis 1 or Robinson-Lamotta 1
No Joe would lose badly against Roy who was extremely good against southpaws until his reflexes slowed down... He beats Joe 9/10 times prime for prime
Re: Is Joe the best supermiddleweight ever?
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by The_One77
time will tell
You say time will tell?? In what way, because there is no one in the division that would put him any higher than what he is right now, and it is debatable if he will fight at 168 again.
Before anyone says Kessler, this guy is am untested fighter, so if Joe does a job on him i cant really seeing it doing anything to his legacy unless Kessler comes back bigger and better.
Im quite certain that Joe will be fighting at 175 in July.
because if he loses against lets say Markus Beyer and Kessler, everyone would say that he was just a good fighter rather than a great one. Similar to Chris Eubank, if he beat Collins and retired he would of beyond doubt of been the greatest SM of all time.
As i said Skel, time will tell. ;)
