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Roy was amazing fighter but his chin could be check and for Rays size at ww especially he had some real power. Not to mention Ray in his prime had one of the best chins i have ever seen man could take a hit. Hell Tommy damn near knocked his eye out and could not put him away in stead Leonard hunted him down and knocked him out. Also is this a 15 round fight or a 12 round fight because if it is 15 i am even more on Leonard taking the match then 12.
Thinking about this more and more, I feel that Roy had a distinct advantage in punching power and speed. Thinking of prime Leonard, I can’t recall him ever displaying the same type of scary power that Roy did while at 168 (and even at 175 vs Virgil Hill and Montell Griffin). Ray had some great knockouts (Hearns), but I seem to recall them being more from an accumulation of punches than one big punch.
I say all of that to say that while I still feel Roy causes some significant problems for Leonard, I have come around to thinking that Ray’s biggest advantage wouldn’t be his superior boxing skills, but his mentality and desire to be considered great. Much like his fight vs Tommy, I think Ray would need to dig deep and come from behind to score the stoppage or at least pull out the win. Where I initially viewed this as a 50/50 fight, I now tend to think Ray would win the majority of fights.
Leonard in his career was able to deal with some very difficult styles of boxing. Benitez a defensive wizard who was already a champ at 140 and 147 and unbeaten was turn apart by Leonard then you have Tommy Hearns who at 147 is a fucking nightmare match probably one of the worst in history of the sport. I mean is Roy's power going to bother Leonard if Hearns could not. Also Hearns was damn near impossible to straight out box in the ring. If Leonard taps Roys chin how is he going to react to it we know he can be hurt and if this is pound for pound Ray has more then enough power to rock Roy and i am not sure Roy could bother Ray with his power. Bigger question to this fight is how many rounds would you make it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Something to consider is how slanted our views are as well.
We remember Roy for being chinny only because he fought on. If you look at when Roy was KOed it was 2004, 15 years into his pro career at 35 years of age. Oddly for SRL 15 years into pro career at 35 years of age lines up pretty much perfectly with the Terry Norris fight. As I recall he was not competitive and knocked down(could be mistaken but that’s how I remember it). His only other fight was Camacho in which he was stopped. So, imagining an even playing field with SRL fighting on after Norris the evidence suggests we would remember him being hurt many times just like we remember Roy.
If we think of Ray pre Norris and indestructible we should remember Roy pre Tarver II and indestructible because neither before 35 years of age showed themselves to be soft. And both showed after 35 to be stoppable
Leonard. He fought better fighters....