Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
Perfectly put Gandalf but these sjw sensitive snowflakes are so feeble and are so terrified of another Hitler coming along that they think the minute somebody gives that salute the next thing you know the whole country is going to turn to another Nazi regime overnight
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
Well hold on there. This guy wasn't arrested was he. He was banned from football matches for 5 years.
I'm all for freedom of speech and all, but I'm also very intolerant of racism, sexism, or any other -ism, especially when blatantly posted on social media. I think as adults we have a responsibility to comport ourselves civilly in public and when we don't, sometimes consequences have to be paid. Again... the guy was not arrested. But someone slapped him on the wrist and basically told him they don't approve of his behavior.
At some point you have to begin being even-handed with people and their incidents. We can't on the one hand decry racism against some groups, while winking at others. Drunkenness is often used as a "free pass" for unacceptable behavior, but again..... as adults you have take responsibility for your own actions. And shit like this just perpetuates hatred among the weak-minded and susceptible people of the world.
Only my opinion, of course.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
Oh shit, he wasn't ARRESTED? Damn, it was just a 5 year ban. Well I'll change the title.
Hmmmmm..... another point, Well it was in Russia, so that's why.
UK he'd be arrested.
He may be a cunt, but has every right.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
Oh shit, he wasn't ARRESTED? Damn, it was just a 5 year ban. Well I'll change the title, I got it wrong.
Hmmmmm..... another point, Well it was in Russia, so that's why.
UK he'd be arrested.
He may be a cunt, but has every right.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
Comedy/parody is a world of difference than intentionally offensive behaviour, just because "we" don't find things offensive doesn't mean anything should be allowed. Nazi stuff means absolutely nothing to me, however, just take one glance at those disturbing concentration camp pictures in the other thread, if you haven't got some semblance of the horror and sensitivity of the subject then you are clearly devoid of empathy.
"Heroes" like him need to be weeded out and punished, he's not down his local with his "like-minded" mates, he's in Stalingrad representing England. He's the very reason why anyone displaying an English flag in England is seen as a knuckle dragging racist.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
Only Brock thinks he is a hero. Personally I think he is a bit of a numpty for doing the Nazi thing, but I would be a hypocrite if I said that anything Nazi is to be avoided as I do listen to music written by people who did silly things like dress up as Nazi's. It doesn't make me a Nazi, it is just that I don't think it is worth crying over. You can bring up empathy, but you likely still buy petrol from Saudi Arabia and products from China. Authoritarian regimes are our governments and our own bread and butter. Yep, I understand full well the horrors of Nazi Germany too, but at the end of the day, if you want to offend me, then you will. It's like with Maradona doing the squinty eyes thing. It is in very poor taste, but he obviously does not represent anyone but himself when he does that and likewise I would be rich if had a dollar from every young person who has told me terrible things they would like to happen to Japan. It's in poor taste, it is ignorant, and potentially dangerous, but people are entitled to their opinions. Have a chat with the man sober and see if you can have a discussion with him first. Most people are quite reasonable if you have a word.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
Miles if someone did that at a gig he would rightfully get the shit kicked out of him. If he did it at an England match there is just as likely to be a full on punch up. That is why he got a five year football banning order. I get you don't give a fuck about England on the day the country was United in celebration after a fantastic day, so now stop pretending you care, and stop encouraging the trolls.Fuck Nazis. Stop defending the indefensible.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
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Miles if someone did that at a gig he would rightfully get the shit kicked out of him. If he did it at an England match there is just as likely to be a full on punch up. That is why he got a five year football banning order. I get you don't give a fuck about England on the day the country was United in celebration after a fantastic day, so now stop pretending you care, and stop encouraging the trolls.Fuck Nazis. Stop defending the indefensible.
I have to agree with beanz here. Miles is being indefensible feeding trolls and Nazis. He is obviously a closet Nazi
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
I take it you have never heard of Sid Vicious or Ron Asheton. :-\
You constantly make these silly assertions that have no truth too. I care about my country and it is just a childish, silly thing to keep repeating. What I am critical of is authoritarianism and that is essentially what Nazism was. However, I am also mature enough to accept that sometimes I will hear things I do not like hearing and this is how a free society should be. The criminalizing of political viewpoints is in of itself a form of tyranny. This is why, when it comes to freedom of speech issues, I tend to support freedom of expression. Do I express such views myself? Not really, but that is besides the point.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
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I take it you have never heard of Sid Vicious or Ron Asheton. :-\
You constantly make these silly assertions that have no truth too. I care about my country and it is just a childish, silly thing to keep repeating. What I am critical of is authoritarianism and that is essentially what Nazism was. However, I am also mature enough to accept that sometimes I will hear things I do not like hearing and this is how a free society should be. The criminalizing of political viewpoints is in of itself a form of tyranny. This is why, when it comes to freedom of speech issues, I tend to support freedom of expression. Do I express such views myself? Not really, but that is besides the point.
Miles no disrespect but you are clueless. Apples and Oranges. I go to hundreds of gigs, not just read about stuff online or in a magazine. I have played the 100 club ffs and I can assure you that when Mclaren tried to get everyone to wear swastika armbands in '76 that the Clash refused to play. So nobody wore them. That is straight from the mouth of somebody who was there. The same guy I had the pleasure of talking to who was with your hero Strummer in Hamersmith Palais. There is a long and massive history of anti-fascism in Punk because the National Front and racist Nazi cunts are real things mate not some imaginary foe. It is the same with rude boy and skinhead culture. Racist thugs threatened to destroy it from within and so the ignorant fuckers who used to try and fight the very people whose music they appropriated had to be dealt with. If somebody is having a go at your mate, calling him a nigger and telling him to go back to Africa etc and pushing him around, you know he is not going to reason with you. So you stand shoulder to shoulder and either punch the fucker or drag him out of the club. People soon get the message that is not socially acceptable and that Nazis and far right NF cunts are not welcome.
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech, 'This is not America'. On the day England celebrated their greatest ever goal tally at a world cup anyone could have guessed that the American misery merchants on here would have the hump and try anything to fucking kill the mood. That is how pathetic their lives and trolling is. Don't let them play you so easily.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
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TitoFan
Well hold on there. This guy wasn't arrested was he. He was banned from football matches for 5 years.
I'm all for freedom of speech and all, but I'm also very intolerant of racism, sexism, or any other -ism, especially when blatantly posted on social media. I think as adults we have a responsibility to comport ourselves civilly in public and when we don't, sometimes consequences have to be paid. Again... the guy was not arrested. But someone slapped him on the wrist and basically told him they don't approve of his behavior.
At some point you have to begin being even-handed with people and their incidents. We can't on the one hand decry racism against some groups, while winking at others. Drunkenness is often used as a "free pass" for unacceptable behavior, but again..... as adults you have take responsibility for your own actions. And shit like this just perpetuates hatred among the weak-minded and susceptible people of the world.
Only my opinion, of course.
Thank you.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
Ron Asheton wore those uniforms on stage, Beanz. Sid Vicious wore Nazi imagery. So did Lemmy from Motorhead. My point is simply that people should be free to associate with whatever imagery or politics that they like. Do I like Nazi's? Absolutely not. If these men are hardcore Nazi's then I don't like them, but if they are just a bunch of men pissed up in a pub, then I have more sympathy towards that. Either way, we do not know the ins and outs of it or them. I love Joe Strummer and hate Nazism and Communism too for that matter. I wouldn't persecute Prince Harry for dressing up as one though or some pissed chap doing a Nazi salute though. I will agree that it is vile and not something you like to see.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
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Gandalf
Ron Asheton wore those uniforms on stage, Beanz. Sid Vicious wore Nazi imagery. So did Lemmy from Motorhead. My point is simply that people should be free to associate with whatever imagery or politics that they like. Do I like Nazi's? Absolutely not. If these men are hardcore Nazi's then I don't like them, but if they are just a bunch of men pissed up in a pub, then I have more sympathy towards that. Either way, we do not know the ins and outs of it or them. I love Joe Strummer and hate Nazism and Communism too for that matter. I wouldn't persecute Prince Harry for dressing up as one though or some pissed chap doing a Nazi salute though. I will agree that it is vile and not something you like to see.
So tell your friend Brock he is no hero and has little to do with freedom of speech.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
Even if he tells me so, I think cowards and the feeble are enemies of free speech.
Cowards and the feeble will soon get you on thought crimes.
Re: Michael Herbert of Leicester is a hero and has freedom of speech
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brocktonblockbust
Exactly. What beanz has done in this thread (and SOOO many other threads) is WAY more vile than what Herbert did
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brocktonblockbust
Even if he tells me so, I think cowards and the feeble are enemies of free speech.
Cowards and the feeble will soon get you on thought crimes.
Stop hiding behind the banner of 'Free speech'. The fact that me expressing my opinion is more offensive to you than some Nazi cunts proves that. You are just trolling. Even in Al's 'Asleep as fuck' thread I see now. Just fuck off Brockton if you are really that miserable, why are you so negative EVERY DAY OF YOUR MISERABLE WRETCHED LIFE? You might want to address that and then kindly fuck off. You just bring the whole board down. You know nothing about Football, English culture or our legal system so nobody gives a fuck what you think. You are a compulsive liar, a sick fucker and your opinion is just drivel and nonsense based on trolling for a response.
