Re: Ruiz v Joshua well well well
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mikeeod
Biggest loser in all of this is Big Baby Miller. How much do you think it stings him to see where Ruiz is right now?!? As bad of a night as that was for A.J., and Hearn, I feel that it was MUCH worse for Miller, realizing what an opportunity he pissed away.
Easy to say, but I don’t fell Miller’s style is as effective as Ruiz. Ruiz showed great head and body movement and high punch output which was very fluid. I don’t see Miller quite as imposing in those areas.
Re: Ruiz v Joshua well well well
One thing that nobody has mentioned was that Ruiz looked gassed after the third round too. Both fighters were gassed but AJ was just more gassed and hurt.
Re: Ruiz v Joshua well well well
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We'll, I never saw that coming.
However, with the benefit of hindsight - IVAN DRAGO GOT TURNED INTO FRANK BRUNO.
Admittedly, with Ruiz being a late replacement, Joshua had trained for a different opponent. Miller must be truly gutted.
Thai wasn't Lewis/Rahman (which was effectively all about one huge punch against an undermotivated champion), or Tyson/Douglas (which was a man on a mission against somebody whose personal life, professional life and psyche were all publicly disintegrating)
If anything it was Louis/Schmeling I (a hugely touted invincible monster being systematically broken down and defeated against a mortal underdog) .... but even that that was a relatively untested youngster against a respected former heavyweight champion. Not a fat, relatively unknown late replacement who wasn't even ranked in the top ten.
Ruiz was impressive. Nice balance, very fast hands, good chin, countered well but without devastating power to be honest.
What won him the fight, IMO, was his footwork. He constantly inched forward, slowly about 6 inches a time. That gave him the centre of the ring for the whole fight and - crucially - allowed him to dictate pace and distance. In every single other fight he had, even Wladimir, it was AJ dictating at what distance the fight was going to be fought.
Joshua, nor his corner, had a clue what to do about that, and he spent the whole fight on the back foot, jabbing. That is not what he has been constructed to do, and the machine started to stutter. Ruiz took away Joshua's advantages in height, reach and power.
He was ponderous, his left hand was held stupidly low and he ate left hooks. He was a fairly chinny and clumsy amateur don't forget. He had no answer to Ruiz coming forward, hand speed and classy countering inside.
Under pressure, you tend to revert to your nature, and once the artificial edifice crumbled, Joshua looked like a stiff, immobile robot type who just retreated in straight lines without the smarts needed to fumble around and survive (something Fury does very well)
He was completed gassed after the third round. I'm not sure he really 'quit' but he knew he had absolutely nothing left and was desperately trying to buy time. If the ref hadn't called it off, AJ would have had about 25 seconds to recover instead of 8. The game was up and Joshua was completely finished by then.
As usual, people overhype sportsmen ..... even on here people have been speculating how AJ would have been too big and too good for Mike Tyson. On this evidence, AJ is made to measure for Iron Mike and he would be torn apart brutally.
AJ will be back, but that aura has been irreversibly damaged. Joe Louis came back to totally rebuild that aura but he is a historical one off. Lewis came back because he knew it was a 'lucky' punch. Tyson came back, but he wasn't really feared as much.
Joshua should have taken the Wilder fight instead of allowing his team to lowball offers.
There was nothing lucky about the Rock KO.
Re: Ruiz v Joshua well well well
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
mikeeod
Biggest loser in all of this is Big Baby Miller. How much do you think it stings him to see where Ruiz is right now?!? As bad of a night as that was for A.J., and Hearn, I feel that it was MUCH worse for Miller, realizing what an opportunity he pissed away.
Easy to say, but I don’t fell Miller’s style is as effective as Ruiz. Ruiz showed great head and body movement and high punch output which was very fluid. I don’t see Miller quite as imposing in those areas.
Yeah I don't think Big Baby would've had any success against Joshua. Ortiz, on the other hand, must kicking HIMself for declaring himself not ready for the Joshua fight offer.
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Dark Lord Al
A nice little earner at 33/1 :)
Hi, I did 12 x £1 bets on bet365 at 125 up to 150, got 150 in. By lucky coincidence betfair junk texted me with a free £10 bet the day before, so got 17/1 for that. £320 for a 12 quid flutter. There still there if you can find them, I had Holyfield Tyson twice, missed Buster Douglas because was on hols in Spain.
What the result says about the quality of heavyweight boxing nowadays is a completely different subject that I am sure will be covered widely here for the next few days.
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Ron Swanson
Nice bet. I called it a bad bet before the fight and was dead wrong. Props to you.
The strange part for me is I don’t walk away thinking any more of Ruiz than I thought going in. I only think less of Joshua. Not my usual MO as I’m more about respect for the winner. But Joshua just looked bad with Ruiz using 1 tactic and Joshua unable to adjust, Joshua asking out of the fight if not with words, and his seeming relief when it was over.
Joshua needs to spend less time lifting and more time on tactics. Hands up, don’t paw with the jab, using his jab to force Ruiz to lead rather than allowing Ruiz pressure to force Joshua to lead so Ruiz could counter with his faster hands. Ruiz is very predictable, left right left right. Joshua should be able to take the rematch but big ups to Ruiz and those that placed flutters.(is that the right vernacular?)
Yes Ron, your English vocabulary is improving
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Just the dose of reality the division needed
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