Roger has no chin.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

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I'm not passive on a Zab lost. The first statement I made was "Zab fought his a** off and still lost." I'm not bitter either way. I just think the Roger dance was funny ;D Roger talked all the trash for both fighters then he comes in and gets clipped and has flashbacks of Chavez ;) And I think you're being passive on Zab's performance, and overstretching Zab's incidents. And how you can lose respect for Yoel for trying to protect his son I don't know.

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I didnt have much respect for yoel to begin with due to his coaching style, his post baldomir fight interview, (you shoudl at least be able to remember the opponents name) and his incoherent answers during the interview he has to take part in because zab was absent leading up to this fight. I didnt lose whatever respect i had for him for him trying to respect his son. I lost respect for him for not conducting himself as a professional (roger too, though i understand him trying to protect his fighter, but i think he should have just let the ref handle things) nor controlling his son.

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Because you are a huge Jones fan like myself I am not gonna rip into you for these crazy statements. But Judah did win more than 4 rounds buddy. He won at least 5. Ledderman is a freakin moron who ALWAYS goes with HBO's fighter. Point in case : he scored Bojado vs Leija for fukin Bojado! :o ??? And Taylor vs Hopkins for Taylor both times. He is scum. With Judah gettin screwed outta the KD I had it 115-113 for Maywhether. He won a lot of middle rounds, still lost the early ones and the 11th and 12th though.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

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Originally Posted by Starr

I'm not passive on a Zab lost. The first statement I made was "Zab fought his a** off and still lost." I'm not bitter either way. I just think the Roger dance was funny ;D Roger talked all the trash for both fighters then he comes in and gets clipped and has flashbacks of Chavez ;) And I think you're being passive on Zab's performance, and overstretching Zab's incidents. And how you can lose respect for Yoel for trying to protect his son I don't know.

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I didnt have much respect for yoel to begin with due to his coaching style, his post baldomir fight interview, (you shoudl at least be able to remember the opponents name) and his incoherent answers during the interview he has to take part in because zab was absent leading up to this fight. I didnt lose whatever respect i had for him for him trying to respect his son. I lost respect for him for not conducting himself as a professional (roger too, though i understand him trying to protect his fighter, but i think he should have just let the ref handle things) nor controlling his son.

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Because you are a huge Jones fan like myself I am not gonna rip into you for these crazy statements. But Judah did win more than 4 rounds buddy. He won at least 5. Ledderman is a freakin moron who ALWAYS goes with HBO's fighter. Point in case : he scored Bojado vs Leija for fukin Bojado! :o ??? And Taylor vs Hopkins for Taylor both times. He is scum. With Judah gettin screwed outta the KD I had it 115-113 for Maywhether. He won a lot of middle rounds, still lost the early ones and the 11th and 12th though.

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No disrespect to you. I wasnt really going by some lederman scorecard or even by my own accounts as i havent seen enough of the fight to give my account of the whole thing. I am referring to the fact that everyone on here that saw the fight seemed to comment that judah was in control early but once floyd solved him, he started to take a beating. By everyones account, wether by the judges cards or their own, Judah came up short. I'm not slighting him for that. I think its great that he did as well as he did. I thought he has the skills to beat someone like mayweather.

As a fan of zabs in the beginning, I figured he'd be the next supertsar and I have a glove with his autograph on it, but that doesnt change the fact that I have lost respect for the guy for the way he conducts himself. I'm not trying to sell short his effort against mayweather. But both he and and many of his die hard fans have predicted beatings and all kinds of things he didnt back up. This is not even a call to him and those fans to get a fresh serving of crow. I am just mentioning though how it seems as though in reflection of the judah loss (by whatever margin), it seems like some of those afore mentioned fans seems to be seeking any occassion to say that the Judahs One upped the Mayweathers last night rather than letting the outcome of the fight be the only word. Before the fight both men talked sh*t about what one would do to the other. In the end, only one man won the fight and thats really all that matters. Zab fans keep trying to overshadow the mayweather victory with little sidenotes. Wether its that zab didnt get Ko'd in 2 or that he did win x amount of rounds and make it sound as though Mayweather was lucky to have escaped or would like to focus on uncle rog getting clipped by yoel.

This would be the same arguement for any mayweather fans that say that Judah was as good as Ko'd if not for an intentional (some people think it was) low blow and rabbit punch. He may have knocked judah out, he may not have. Or fans that say, with the sparring victory that means, mayweathers 2-0 against judah. Whats the point of making it its own issue, if its not gonna change the outcome of the only fight between the 2, that people came to see.

As for my lack of respect for judah and Yoel. Well, I've watched zab change from a talented, humble fighter who could be where mayweather is... To a talented inconsistent punk whos mouth and ego right checks his skills can cash, but his focus and Immaturity sometimes forget to endorse. I hold Yoel directly responsible. Its been a string of mishaps since he took over.

I don't see any change except for in Judah's style and the way he promoted fights. Did he even seem the same Judah for this promotion. or even the Rivera promotion or the Cory Spinks promotions.

The only promotion after Tszyu in which he acted like a cocky punk was Baldomir. And he got a dose of reality. What did he say in this promotion that Mayweather didn't overshadow with what he said.

And J_Undisputed let me ask you, after the first 4 rounds, what was going through your mind? About Zab?

The difference in Judahs style is huge. He could have been undefeated up till now. Didn't see all of the fight, parts here and there so i can hit you off with full analysis after i see everything. What I did see, didnt seem much different from what hes done recently only more focused and his timing was better. Confidence makes a lot of difference with Judah. Theres no doubt that he trained hard for this fight. Harder than usual, but hes still training in Yoel's image and that will limit him no matter how hard he trains because hes training hard to fight hard, not smart. Maybe the change is styles was a joint decision... but it was a bad decision. Several changes could have big roles in the floyd fight and for the baldomir fight and several other fights.

Not saying that zab himself was trying overshadow floyd. he need every bit of silence just to come in the way he did. I am saying that zab fans are seeming throwing parties for anything that floyd didnt take away from the fight and overshadow his victory with. It maybe a fan rivalry or a issue zabs fans have directly with mayweather. I'm not saying floyd isnt a cockey punk sometimes too. The slave contract comment was bit much .. as was calling Gatti a C+ fighter. If its what he believes. its what he believes. But hes backed it all up.

I've watched zab from very early and have watched him drift further from substance towards fluff. From the beginning till now. Hes become more talk and less fight. Hes tried to intimidate more and work less.

Well this time he intimidated none and worked all. he SHOULD get credit from you for that despite if Yoel is in his corner.

I'm not saying the guy gets no credit from me but I dont think he should be given extra credit for taking this fight seriously or training harder that he has in a while and not taking any shortcuts because as a professional fighter, thats what hes supposed to do. He gets credit for the first part of the fight and for making mayweather miss early and countering him. Later, it sounds like he couldnt adjust...but theres no shame in that. He lost credit when he was really getting beat and went to the cup and then to the back of the head deliberately. If you think I should give him credit for that or finishing the fight, it wont happen. His kind words of mayweather after the fight dont really have the desired effect from me being he just fouled him 20 minutes prior. If he had so much respect he wouldnt have fouled him.

The kid who did that was the same one who threw the stool and put his hands on a ref. Things weren't going his way, and he threw a tantrum. Someone called him on his bullsh*t and he makes an excuse or points the finger at someone else.

After getting beheaded by Tszyu, instead of saying "I shouldn't have went straight back with my hands down".. he goes after the ref for possibly saving his life,throwing stools and screaming "he didnt even count, yo!"...

After losing to baldomir in a tune-up, he could have said" I should have prepared better, or things just wouldnt come together tonight" he said "I have a f*cked up promoter... I got tapes.."

After fouling mayweather twice successively, when he was taking a beating... he could have said... Things got crazy and low blow wasn't intentional and the rabbit punch was a heat of the moment thing... then everything just started getting out of hand... and its good to see that everyones ok. " he just goes "well, Roger mayweather was chokin me... its on tape". Like the 2 fouls had nothing to do with that and roger mayweather was like Mr. Fuji waiting outside of a wrestling ring with hand full of salt to throw in Judahs eyes.

Judah never looks at any part he had in why things unfold the way they do. I could gain back a lot of the respect I lost for him if he assumed some accountibility for things and try acting like a professional win or lose and consistently tried to improve. That doesn't mean having a good rounds or even winning a fight. I'd have more respect for him in a gracious defeat than I would in an arrogant victory. I had respect for him in the second spinks fight when he gave the ref a chance to step in and stop it. He showed some class. Of course its easier when you're winning.