Mayweather vs Judah...the after thoughts...

I didn't get to see the fight but it sounds that Judah was just being himself- a punk. I saw a clip of the Roger incident and Judah's nothing more than a clown, a thug, with no mental capacity. I still don't see how I used to be a fan of this moron, let him face Tszyu or Margarito so that he can be finally KO'd into retirement. Boxing doesn't need morons like this.

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Originally Posted by baller

I didn't get to see the fight but it sounds that Judah was just being himself- a punk. I saw a clip of the Roger incident and Judah's nothing more than a clown, a thug, with no mental capacity. I still don't see how I used to be a fan of this moron, let him face Tszyu or Margarito so that he can be finally KO'd into retirement. Boxing doesn't need morons like this.

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My points exactly.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Nope. I don't look at things that way.

When Judah started that clowing mess...it went away for me.

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You should have seen the clowning for what it was.

Judah made jestures with his arms not to mock Floyd but he also used them as feints to get Floyd to react, and Floyd made an opening on himself which is WHY Judah threw the left at that precise moment and it landed flush. and Floyd was clowning for whatever reason but didn't offer up any offense. But Judah did, but that doesn't mean anything?

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You know that I don't dig on that clowning bullshat...I never have...think back to our Augustus arguements/discussions...I just don't dig on it.

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And when Augustus finally fought the style you wanted him to fight you said he was done. I never forget wacko ;)

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Nope. I don't look at things that way.

When Judah started that clowing mess...it went away for me.

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You should have seen the clowning for what it was.

Judah made jestures with his arms not to mock Floyd but he also used them as feints to get Floyd to react, and Floyd made an opening on himself which is WHY Judah threw the left at that precise moment and it landed flush. and Floyd was clowning for whatever reason but didn't offer up any offense. But Judah did, but that doesn't mean anything?

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You know that I don't dig on that clowning bullshat...I never have...think back to our Augustus arguements/discussions...I just don't dig on it.

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And when Augustus finally fought the style you wanted him to fight you said he was done. I never forget wacko ;)

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Starr...the funning thing is this...no you don't ever forget...you also don't ever recognize the fact that I always call it how I see it...or how it appears to me. Just because he finally did what I wanted to see him do doesn't mean that I'm going to thing that he's a sucess. Truthfully...it didn't work for Augustus in my opinion.

I personally don't really dig on Augustus either way...he's just not my cup of tea.

Also...no what Judah did in the end doesn't mean anything...because his clowing, his dirty tactics, & all of his technical brilliance still was enough to beat Mayweather.

You were even more critical of Judah's character than me, and I was worried that some people would call me to task for suggesting that Judah's "entourage" includes people of questionable character that clearly are a negative influence on Zab. I used to like him a little bit, before his fight with Tszyu, and didn't make a big deal out of his "glove-in-the-face" routine with Jay Nady, but now it's obvious that Zab lacks the class and self control that boxing fans strongly prefer in their champions. I'm sorry to say that now I like Zab even less than Mike Tyson, who at least occasionally shows a streak of generosity and humility.

Something that I've said a few times: I believe that Mayweather turned the fight around primarily because he changed tactics in the ring, and from the 4th or 5th round onward began using a lot of lead right hands both to the head and the body. Judah is very hard to hit with the left hook, which may be Mayweather's best punch, but Floyd showed his class, intelligence and professionalism by switching away from left hooks in favor of straight right hands and right hooks, which Judah couldn't stop at all for the rest of the fight. I wonder if Al Bernstein would say the same thing. It was a marvelous technical achievement from Floyd as well as an indication of his intelligence and versatility as a fighter.

There have been very few great fighters who could impress us either with their boxing ability from the outside or with their ability to stalk an opponent and to successfully outfight them on the inside. Ali could do it occasionally (he was aggressive against Joe Bugner), Bernard Hopkins could do it, and Floyd can do it. It's hard to find many others.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Nope. I don't look at things that way.

When Judah started that clowing mess...it went away for me.

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You should have seen the clowning for what it was.

Judah made jestures with his arms not to mock Floyd but he also used them as feints to get Floyd to react, and Floyd made an opening on himself which is WHY Judah threw the left at that precise moment and it landed flush. and Floyd was clowning for whatever reason but didn't offer up any offense. But Judah did, but that doesn't mean anything?

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You know that I don't dig on that clowning bullshat...I never have...think back to our Augustus arguements/discussions...I just don't dig on it.

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And when Augustus finally fought the style you wanted him to fight you said he was done. I never forget wacko ;)

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Starr...the funning thing is this...no you don't ever forget...you also don't ever recognize the fact that I always call it how I see it...or how it appears to me. Just because he finally did what I wanted to see him do doesn't mean that I'm going to thing that he's a sucess. Truthfully...it didn't work for Augustus in my opinion.

I personally don't really dig on Augustus either way...he's just not my cup of tea.

Also...no what Judah did in the end doesn't mean anything...because his clowing, his dirty tactics, & all of his technical brilliance still was enough to beat Mayweather.

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still wasn't enough, I know. But everything else you mention gave Floyd the 2nd toughest fight to date. And even you admit that. And I know augustus isn't your cup of tea. And I remember telling you that if Augustus fought the way you wanted him to it would be difficult for him because he has his own rhythm, anything outside of it and he would have trouble.

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Originally Posted by mokele

You were even more critical of Judah's character than me, and I was worried that some people would call me to task for suggesting that Judah's "entourage" includes people of questionable character that clearly are a negative influence on Zab. I used to like him a little bit, before his fight with Tszyu, and didn't make a big deal out of his "glove-in-the-face" routine with Jay Nady, but now it's obvious that Zab lacks the class and self control that boxing fans strongly prefer in their champions. I'm sorry to say that now I like Zab even less than Mike Tyson, who at least occasionally shows a streak of generosity and humility.

Something that I've said a few times: I believe that Mayweather turned the fight around primarily because he changed tactics in the ring, and from the 4th or 5th round onward began using a lot of lead right hands both to the head and the body. Judah is very hard to hit with the left hook, which may be Mayweather's best punch, but Floyd showed his class, intelligence and professionalism by switching away from left hooks in favor of straight right hands and right hooks, which Judah couldn't stop at all for the rest of the fight. I wonder if Al Bernstein would say the same thing. It was a marvelous technical achievement from Floyd as well as an indication of his intelligence and versatility as a fighter.

There have been very few great fighters who could impress us either with their boxing ability from the outside or with their ability to stalk an opponent and to successfully outfight them on the inside. Ali could do it occasionally (he was aggressive against Joe Bugner), Bernard Hopkins could do it, and Floyd can do it. It's hard to find many others.

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:coolclick: Good post...

Only one thing wrong here : "...I was worried that some people would call me to task"

Never do that...that's what this place is for. If we all agreed...this place would be boring as hell.

Even though he performed well, Judah looked like getting stopped before the nut shot. Mayweather's intensity really dropped after that, with good reason.

Yes. But Mayweather tried to turn it on on zab after that and don't forget Zab clocked him with a left hand and thats when Mayweather's intensity dropped.

When we saw the "small riot," my bud said that it's one of those things that will get shown on ESPN all week. Already becoming true. ;)

And damn, that was the worst showing of Floyd Mayweather ever. I'd have to agree. People say I'm hating, but he made a 4-2 Welterweight look "Super." True that Judah fights to the level of his competition, be it Telefutura fighter or HBO fighter. Floyd, being an A fighter, shouldn't have had that much of a tough time with Zab, Just as Zab should never look bad in his recent fights and even lose to a fighter such as Carlos B. A win's a win. Yes.

But, expect Pretty Boy to look Pretty no longer. ;)

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Originally Posted by Starr

Yes but wacko. let me ask you to see your views.

You would say Mayweather acted with class by extending to Zab after the incident. but had zab extended to Mayweather first, be honest, would you be giving Zab the same respect? or would you say "He did a punk move and tried to make himself up but it doesn't work." ?

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;D

i know MANY would have said that

HE TRIED TO MAKE US THINK HE DIDNT DO IT ON PORPOSE

and when judah taunts people seem to say "HE WAS HURT, SO HE STARTED CLOWINING"

but when floyd does it he is luring him in

;D

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i know MANY would have said that

HE TRIED TO MAKE US THINK HE DIDNT DO IT ON PORPOSE

and when judah taunts people seem to say "HE WAS HURT, SO HE STARTED CLOWINING"

but when floyd does it he is luring him in

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Are you talking about the 11th & the 12th round? When Floyd was waiving Judah in & giving him shots at his chin?

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i know MANY would have said that

HE TRIED TO MAKE US THINK HE DIDNT DO IT ON PORPOSE

and when judah taunts people seem to say "HE WAS HURT, SO HE STARTED CLOWINING"

but when floyd does it he is luring him in

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Are you talking about the 11th & the 12th round? When Floyd was waiving Judah in & giving him shots at his chin?

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yea ;)

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i know MANY would have said that

HE TRIED TO MAKE US THINK HE DIDNT DO IT ON PORPOSE

and when judah taunts people seem to say "HE WAS HURT, SO HE STARTED CLOWINING"

but when floyd does it he is luring him in

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Are you talking about the 11th & the 12th round? When Floyd was waiving Judah in & giving him shots at his chin?

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yea ;)

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Okay...so now you do admit that Floyd was hurt in the 11th & the 12th round?

He was hurt from the nutshut...that's all I wanted to get out of you...oh yeah...& Judah was hurt for being choked near unconsciousness. :-*

Don't let Mayweather fool you. He did that because he knew Judah's left was waiting if he tried to come forward again, it was a good strategy but it hid his true intentions.

wacko I think Sal is getting at how Mayweather extends himself and it says he is "pure class" but had Judah extended himself first you'd be saying "He tried to make us think he didn't do it on purpose, the punk!."

is that what you're getting at Sal?