MMA bigger than Boxing?

Go on a quick vacation and come back to this? Jeeze Louise

Topic 1: Striking vs. Boxing

Boxing = punching

Striking = punching, elbows, kicks, and knees.

No doubt that if you tried to swing with a boxer, you would get knocked out easy. But if you tried striking, it would be different.

Leg kicks in the MMA world look like nothing, however, they're the silent killer. When a person who is trained in the art of Muay Thai kicks you in the leg, it feels like someone took a baseball bat and swung insanely hard at your thigh/knee. Head kicks are the sickest. They're harder than punches (given the person knows how to do them) and knock you out pretty damn good.

As we all know, defense is a huge part of boxing and MMA. A boxer's defense is solely to protect from punches, which is why I believe a boxer would get KO'd by a leg kick.

Another point I'd like to make is clinching. In boxing, if you clinch up, you get seperated. In MMA, it's somewhat encouraged. It's a good setup to Thai Clinch Knees, elbows, as well as a good position for a takedown.

Those are reasons why I believe MMArtists could stand up with a boxer. If the MMArtist would take them down, the boxer would be finished.

I think that it would be easier for a MMArtist to learn boxing, than for a boxer to learn MMA

Topic 2: The whole evolution thing I was talking about

I'm not really sure what I was getting at when I said that. However, I think for the past few years, boxing has been halted. Theres no "Great" boxers anymore. Don't get me wrong, there are some pretty damned good ones. PBF, JT, etc. But theres no Tyson (prime), Ali, Leonard, or Hagler. All the cutting edge ones, like Jones, De La Hoya and Evander aren't what they used to be. It seems to be heading in a downward spiral, which is why I implied that it wasn't evolving as it had before.

Topic 3: Myself (basically referring to the remark made by TheMasterPiece)

I'm sure some of you are getting the impression that I'm trying to promote MMA over boxing. Although it may sound that way, it's not my intentions. I was hoping for a discussion between MMA and boxing, but some of you are taking it a lot harder than anything on the internet should be taken. I would have posted this in the MMA section, however, due to the relevancy of BOXING in the initial topic, and the fact that it would have been majorly underlooked, I posted it in the boxing section, where it would get some good feedback.

"person can't except that people on a boxing forum probably like boxing better."
I was looking for people to disagree with me when I started this topic. What the hell is the point of a discussion when you're just going to be nodding with eachother? When someone says something to you that you disagree with, you voice your opinion on the matter. Isn't the reason of having a forum for people to discuss and voice opinions?

I never once said I liked MMA more than boxing. Perhaps I felt that if I can accept the two on equal levels, others should be able to as well.

Tried watching this UFC stuff, too much rolling around on the floor for my liking.

Ive watched alot of UFC over the last year and more.
Unless fighters are going toe to toe with punches it is complete boring crap.

I heard about this Matt Hughes guy and when i watched him like alot of them they roll around the ground like gay boys

too boring for me

if MMA fans want to argue their case they are on the wrong website

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Originally Posted by Tiger J

Go on a quick vacation and come back to this? Jeeze Louise

Topic 1: Striking vs. Boxing

Boxing = punching

Striking = punching, elbows, kicks, and knees.

No doubt that if you tried to swing with a boxer, you would get knocked out easy. But if you tried striking, it would be different.

Leg kicks in the MMA world look like nothing, however, they're the silent killer. When a person who is trained in the art of Muay Thai kicks you in the leg, it feels like someone took a baseball bat and swung insanely hard at your thigh/knee. Head kicks are the sickest. They're harder than punches (given the person knows how to do them) and knock you out pretty damn good.

As we all know, defense is a huge part of boxing and MMA. A boxer's defense is solely to protect from punches, which is why I believe a boxer would get KO'd by a leg kick.

Another point I'd like to make is clinching. In boxing, if you clinch up, you get seperated. In MMA, it's somewhat encouraged. It's a good setup to Thai Clinch Knees, elbows, as well as a good position for a takedown.

Those are reasons why I believe MMArtists could stand up with a boxer. If the MMArtist would take them down, the boxer would be finished.

I think that it would be easier for a MMArtist to learn boxing, than for a boxer to learn MMA

Topic 2: The whole evolution thing I was talking about

I'm not really sure what I was getting at when I said that. However, I think for the past few years, boxing has been halted. Theres no "Great" boxers anymore. Don't get me wrong, there are some pretty damned good ones. PBF, JT, etc. But theres no Tyson (prime), Ali, Leonard, or Hagler. All the cutting edge ones, like Jones, De La Hoya and Evander aren't what they used to be. It seems to be heading in a downward spiral, which is why I implied that it wasn't evolving as it had before.

Topic 3: Myself (basically referring to the remark made by TheMasterPiece)

I'm sure some of you are getting the impression that I'm trying to promote MMA over boxing. Although it may sound that way, it's not my intentions. I was hoping for a discussion between MMA and boxing, but some of you are taking it a lot harder than anything on the internet should be taken. I would have posted this in the MMA section, however, due to the relevancy of BOXING in the initial topic, and the fact that it would have been majorly underlooked, I posted it in the boxing section, where it would get some good feedback.

"person can't except that people on a boxing forum probably like boxing better."
I was looking for people to disagree with me when I started this topic. What the hell is the point of a discussion when you're just going to be nodding with eachother? When someone says something to you that you disagree with, you voice your opinion on the matter. Isn't the reason of having a forum for people to discuss and voice opinions?

I never once said I liked MMA more than boxing. Perhaps I felt that if I can accept the two on equal levels, others should be able to as well.

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Look back at your posts, after a while your intentions came out and you were flat out promoting it.

I still want to kno Belfort's boxing record and how he's in the top 10.

Also, I would like to say that there are plenty of great boxers around today. They just aren't as popular because of the poliTICS in boxing.

I have NEVER been an MMA,UFC PRIDE etc fan and never will,does not last long enough and all they ever seem to do is roll around BUT I do like how there is a combination of various style rolled into 1 sport. For sheer entertainment value,I'dd think boxing would win right guys?

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Originally Posted by LarryB

Ive watched alot of UFC over the last year and more.
Unless fighters are going toe to toe with punches it is complete boring crap.

I heard about this Matt Hughes guy and when i watched him like alot of them they roll around the ground like gay boys

too boring for me

if MMA fans want to argue their case they are on the wrong website

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Not for nothing man but if theres a link on the forum it must be welcome...theres no link that says idiots not need post either but we put up with it........Bottom line BOXING IS A MARTIAL ART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I study in Jeet Kune Do now as anyone knows it is Bruce Lee's system There are 4 different ranges of combat 1 Boxing 2 Trapping 3 Kicking 4 Grappling,Bruce Lee had the ut most respect for Boxing and what a practical art it is but like most MA's it is a incomplete system for street combat since it cant defend against the other ranges of combat

if you can do Jeet Kune Do than you have a good base to train and compete in MMA...Entertainment value is subjective and I respect that but to be closed minded about it is ridiculous I love boxing and will watch just about any bout and would consider my self a fanatic of sorts and have been for over 20 years...But let the truth be told if you drop a pure boxer in a cage with a mixed martial artist and tell them to fight of course the boxers gonna get his a$ kicked same as you put them in a ring and tell have them just box the boxer would have the advantage...They are both awsome sports and should be respected for what they bring to the table...Now cosider this if you drop them in a pit to fight for there life's the boxer would get killed since it is an incomplete system and cannot defend a Thai leg kick,takedowns submissions.. GAY BOYS???? I dont think so it takes a high level of tactical intelligence to adjust and to adapt to your opponent.....

First amd foremost, let me say that I am and always will be a boxing fan. I started out training and competing in boxing. That being said, I am also a MMA fan. I have trained in both sports. How many people can say that? The simple fact is that in a REAL fight (the kind where you are fighting for your LIFE) the MMA guy kicks the SH*T out of the boxer 95% of the time. Somebody said "all you have to do is take a boxer and teach him how to defend a couple taekdowns and submissions." Yeah, right, bub. Keep telling yourself that. Boxers, as a general rule, do tend to be in better physical condition, I agree. But conditioning tends to fade real fast when you have to carry not only your body weight, but the weight of the guy you are fighting as well. Also, boxers have no idea what is coming when fighting an MMA guy. The MMA guy on the otherhand has trained in boxing. He doesn't need to be the superior boxer, just good enough to get inside wehre he can wrap the boxer up. Then, it's nighty night for most any boxer.

I do agree that submisisons are not as cool to watch as somebody getting KO'd, but what percentage of boxing matches actually end in a KO?

i might sound a bit prehistoric but MMA really does nothing for me.....boxing is the bees knees for me...nothing touches boxing...

i don't get it..this thread asks is mma bigger than boxing? and the answer is a very very simple big asssed "NO"....

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

First amd foremost, let me say that I am and always will be a boxing fan. I started out training and competing in boxing. That being said, I am also a MMA fan. I have trained in both sports. How many people can say that? The simple fact is that in a REAL fight (the kind where you are fighting for your LIFE) the MMA guy kicks the SH*T out of the boxer 95% of the time. Somebody said "all you have to do is take a boxer and teach him how to defend a couple taekdowns and submissions." Yeah, right, bub. Keep telling yourself that. Boxers, as a general rule, do tend to be in better physical condition, I agree. But conditioning tends to fade real fast when you have to carry not only your body weight, but the weight of the guy you are fighting as well. Also, boxers have no idea what is coming when fighting an MMA guy. The MMA guy on the otherhand has trained in boxing. He doesn't need to be the superior boxer, just good enough to get inside wehre he can wrap the boxer up. Then, it's nighty night for most any boxer.

I do agree that submisisons are not as cool to watch as somebody getting KO'd, but what percentage of boxing matches actually end in a KO?

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Good post man I couldnt agree more I have trained in both there are a lot more variatables involved in a mma fight then boxing

Again you have to adapt and adjust constantly in mma

I can agree that boxing is still the bigger of the two sports.  For how much longer is the real question.

Personnally if I have a choice between the two I would much rather watch boxing. I have a lot of respect for the MMA guys, it takes a lot of guts to get into any shaped ring for the purpose of attempting to beat the crap out of someone else. But as far as just a visual medium boxing is better for me.

You can not compare boxing and MMA fighters, its apples and oranges. Of course the MMA fighter would win 95% of the time vs a boxer, it is a completely different format if they were to fight in an empty field.

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

i don't get it..this thread asks is mma bigger than boxing? and the answer is a very very simple big asssed "NO"....

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Good point indeed again I understand entertainment value is subjective I love boxing to death myself...I just get all cranked up when people ignorantly disrespect MMA fight style

i don't think anybody is disrespecting MMA...i just think that mma followers seem to forget that just because a man can box that must mean that's all he can do....

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

First amd foremost, let me say that I am and always will be a boxing fan. I started out training and competing in boxing. That being said, I am also a MMA fan. I have trained in both sports. How many people can say that? The simple fact is that in a REAL fight (the kind where you are fighting for your LIFE) the MMA guy kicks the SH*T out of the boxer 95% of the time. Somebody said "all you have to do is take a boxer and teach him how to defend a couple taekdowns and submissions." Yeah, right, bub. Keep telling yourself that. Boxers, as a general rule, do tend to be in better physical condition, I agree. But conditioning tends to fade real fast when you have to carry not only your body weight, but the weight of the guy you are fighting as well. Also, boxers have no idea what is coming when fighting an MMA guy. The MMA guy on the otherhand has trained in boxing. He doesn't need to be the superior boxer, just good enough to get inside wehre he can wrap the boxer up. Then, it's nighty night for most any boxer.

I do agree that submisisons are not as cool to watch as somebody getting KO'd, but what percentage of boxing matches actually end in a KO?

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MMA fights rarely last as long as a boxing match...they always tap out or some shat...

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MMA fights rarely last as long as a boxing match...they always tap out or some shat...

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Given the state of "judging" in boxing these days, I'll take that as a complement. Fighters finishing fights...WOW what a novel concept.

it might actually be good that MMA fights don't last as long because...I've seen a few of the fights go the distance and the judges really screwed up...besides only a diehard fan wants to see that hugging and wrestling shit all day...

MMA fighters might beat up a boxer in a pit...but when it's over i'm sure the boxers huge bank account will help soothe those wounds...and the MMA fighter can finish fighting in the cage for scraps like a dog....

Did I strike a nerve with somebody?

you didn't strike a nerve...i just don't see the point in the entire who would beat up who argument...that reason of the thread...

And they both have benefits...some of you think MMA fighters would win...if that's fact..then its also fact that the boxer will have a lot of money to get over his ass whooping..soo MMA is almost pointless because they kick the shat shit out of each other for peanuts....

I don't think anyone would argue the financial part. The top guys in Pride I would guess pull in the several hundred thousand per fight which isn't close to the championship paychecks of boxings top guys...but I'd be curious if you got rid of the top and bottom 10% earners of each sport if the average salary of the typical pro boxer and mma isn't pretty similar?

No doubt that boxers are raking in the dough. However, recently, pay checks of UFC fighters have increased.

Pride fighters get paid a lot more than UFC. Fun fact: Their Heavyweight champion Fedor rakes in a little over a million per fight. As the sport gets bigger, the pay checks will increase, just like any other sport or TV show. As popularity ensues, the cash money will increase.

As for the Vitor Belfort boxing record, I was a little generous when I gave him a top ten ranking. I'm not sure on his actual record. Boxingrec.com said he only had one fight, however, I know thats wrong because I've seen three of his fights. He be good.

The boxing process has slowed down, while MMA has been speeding up.

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Originally Posted by Tiger J

Pride pretty much runs the show in Japan. They just recently had Mark Hunt vs. The Japanese Cruiserweight Champion as the main event to one of their shows. It was insanely good. Boxer vs. MMA striker. They get paid a lot more in Pride than they do in UFC. It's a much better promotion. They have better fighters, and better fights, which is why it's so big in Japan. They rake in huge live audiences, much bigger than UFC.

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What an example. That Japanese guy was WBF champ (are you serious) who weighed in at 180-185 on average. Mark Hunt is a recognized kickboxing champ, who weighs in 260+ on a regular basis. Try putting a prime Tyson in there.

Boxing is still bigger. And MMA is heading the wrong direction because alot of recent decisions have gone the wrong way. Boxing shares the same fate, but that was the most intriguing thing about MMA, is that there was usually a clear winner, now there is not.

MMA is the WBA...and it will never catch boxing unless some big time promoters get involved

Big time promoters = Zuffa, Spike TV, and FSN

bigger than don king, bob arum, hbo, showtime, espn,? I think not...even that contender bullshat got more ratings than UFC on spike....

It did ??? I thought Ultimate Fighter got more then the contender ???

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

bigger than don king, bob arum, hbo, showtime, espn,? I think not...even that contender bullshat got more ratings than UFC on spike....

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...No it didn't.

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

bigger than don king, bob arum, hbo, showtime, espn,? I think not...even that contender bullshat got more ratings than UFC on spike....

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...No it didn't.

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I'd check the nielson ratings if I were you...

Ultimate Fighter = DVD series out, and on third season

The Contender = Dropped by NBC, no DVD's, and barely made it to having a second season.

Oh, and Don King hasn't done S*** all lately cause theres no big money drawing fighters anymore.

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Originally Posted by Tiger J

Ultimate Fighter = DVD series out, and on third season

The Contender = Dropped by NBC, no DVD's, and barely made it to having a second season.

Oh, and Don King hasn't done S*** all lately cause theres no big money drawing fighters anymore.

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DVD is the only real market for UFC, ultimate fighter etc....and the contender is still being promoted by espn....and don king is still a bigger and better promoter than anyone or anything associated with UFC or spike for that matter.....

And if is spike is big...it will never compete with ESPN or HBO...period...FNF WNF...both kill spike and UFC...

ANd finally once again the question is : Is MMA bigger than boxing? and the answer is again a big fat asssed

"NO"

so deal with it...

MMA ain't bigger than boxing...
Whatever shit ur taking, i'll have some of it too

Maybe if you queer baits wouldnt take my words up your assholes, you wouldnt sound like such babies.

Initial topic of the thread: MMA bigger than boxing {QUESTION MARK!}. It was a simple question. I stated my opinion, and reasoning behind it. If it wasn't for the highly regarded "Greatest Boxer of All Time," this thread wouldn't even exist, which is why I find it hard to believe that die hard boxing fans absolutely despise MMA.

My initial implications were that Boxing is going on a downward spiral, while MMA is climning up the mountain. It may not be bigger YET, but by god it will be.

CRICKET USED TO BE A HUGE SPORT! NOW NO ONE EVEN KNOWS ANY GOD DAMN PLAYERS!

I LOVE BOTH BOXING AND MMA! BOXING IS THE SPORT OF KINGS, BUT MMA IS AS PURE OF A COMPETITION BETWEEN TO HUMANS AS YOU CAN GET.

What a crock of shit, MMA is not even a recognised sport by the important bodies (IOC etc).

Nobody I have ever met gives one solitary shit about it - it's in no way bigger than boxing.

Come back when it is in the Olympics - even bloody synchronized swimming and handball can make it that far.

Maybe in that 100 years you talked about things will be different - but not now.

The rules in boxing are there for a reason - to stop it degenerating into a boring brawl lasting minutes with the majority of it spent rolling around on the floor.

Oh, and cricket is still pretty popular in the countries that play it - i think you'll find the 1 billion+ population of india alone harbors more cricket fans than there are people in the world that have ever even HEARD of MMA.

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Originally Posted by Tiger J

Maybe if you queer baits wouldnt take my words up your assholes, you wouldnt sound like such babies.

Initial topic of the thread: MMA bigger than boxing {QUESTION MARK!}. It was a simple question. I stated my opinion, and reasoning behind it. If it wasn't for the highly regarded "Greatest Boxer of All Time," this thread wouldn't even exist, which is why I find it hard to believe that die hard boxing fans absolutely despise MMA.

My initial implications were that Boxing is going on a downward spiral, while MMA is climning up the mountain. It may not be bigger YET, but by god it will be.

CRICKET USED TO BE A HUGE SPORT! NOW NO ONE EVEN KNOWS ANY GOD DAMN PLAYERS!

I LOVE BOTH BOXING AND MMA! BOXING IS THE SPORT OF KINGS, BUT MMA IS AS PURE OF A COMPETITION BETWEEN TO HUMANS AS YOU CAN GET.

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Whoa whoa..we're queer baits because we're telling you that MMA is not bigger than boxing? Dude get a life, I hope your not a MMA fighter because you're a bit sensitive....Only chicks and kids get mad when people don't agree with them, but your even worse because its a fact that MMA IS NOT BIGGER THAN BOXING.. PERIOD SO stop talking about it irrelevant crap...and since you have triple-S syndrome (stubbornly stupid & sensitve )I'll do it again for you...

THe thread reads: Is MMA BIGGER THAN BOXING? and again the answer is a big fat asssed

"NO"

That's the answer...period...again---deal with it....

You sound so F****** redundant, that it's not even funny.

Holy S***. If being sensetive is defending your opinion, I must be a F****** cry baby. How in god's F*** is stating that MMA will be bigger than boxing irrelevant when the title of the thread is "MMA BIGGER THAN BOXING"

How the F*** can boxing be recognized as a combat sport when you are limited to only using two parts of your body towards your opponent? MMA WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE WORLD IN THE 648 B.C. GREECE OLYMPICS FOR CHRIST SAKES! THATS AS FAR AS YOU'LL EVER BE ABLE TO BOIL ANY SPORT DOWN TO! THEY CALLED IT PANKRATION, WHICH MEANS NO HOLDS BARRED.

Only chicks and kids get mad at them when you disagree with them? EVERY HUMAN BEING GETS MAD AT ANOTHER FOR BEING A COMPLETE RETARD AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER! If you never did, you would be considered Jesus, which means you have no back bone whatsoever.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE AN IDIOT TO DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THE BOXING FAN BASE IS PLUMMETING WHILE THE MMA FAN BASE IS RAPIDLY INCREASING

I'm not dealing with a single thing I don't believe. Go right the F*** ahead and call me stubborn. I'd rather be stubborn than a little BITCH

Oh, and word filters can blow me.

well to the ignorant casual fan who does not understand the principles of fighting, training, conditioning, or even how to score a fight might lean to MMA because there usually Knockouts and submissions that give clear indications on whats going on. I just came from a sports bar that thank GOD shows all the fight even PPV for FREE. but some hillbilly dude was screaming later this month its all about UFC and said thats the real deal. so yeah the ignorant hill billies who are usually overweight and who do not train or understand any of the principles would clearly go for MMA over boxing.

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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P

well to the ignorant casual fan who does not understand the principles of fighting, training, conditioning, or even how to score a fight might lean to MMA because there usually Knockouts and submissions that give clear indications on whats going on. I just came from a sports bar that thank GOD shows all the fight even PPV for FREE. but some hillbilly dude was screaming later this month its all about UFC and said thats the real deal. so yeah the ignorant hill billies who are usually overweight and who do not train or understand any of the principles would clearly go for MMA over boxing.

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one of my coworkers is a borderline retard , and an ignorant alcoholic who has been arrested for domestic violence and loves boxing...so by your rationale thats what all boxing fans are?..don't make silly generlizations it just makes you seem uneducated. I love both sports, and watch both..I find myself watching more MMA b/c they put on better overall fight cards and its easier and cheaper to watch it on TV. Is it bigger that boxing..no... is it growing by leaps and bounds....I'd say its undeniable.

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Originally Posted by Tiger J

You sound so F****** redundant, that it's not even funny.

Holy S***. If being sensetive is defending your opinion, I must be a F****** cry baby. How in god's F*** is stating that MMA will be bigger than boxing irrelevant when the title of the thread is "MMA BIGGER THAN BOXING"

How the F*** can boxing be recognized as a combat sport when you are limited to only using two parts of your body towards your opponent? MMA WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE WORLD IN THE 648 B.C. GREECE OLYMPICS FOR CHRIST SAKES! THATS AS FAR AS YOU'LL EVER BE ABLE TO BOIL ANY SPORT DOWN TO! THEY CALLED IT PANKRATION, WHICH MEANS NO HOLDS BARRED.

Only chicks and kids get mad at them when you disagree with them? EVERY HUMAN BEING GETS MAD AT ANOTHER FOR BEING A COMPLETE RETARD AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER! If you never did, you would be considered Jesus, which means you have no back bone whatsoever.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE AN IDIOT TO DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THE BOXING FAN BASE IS PLUMMETING WHILE THE MMA FAN BASE IS RAPIDLY INCREASING
I'm not dealing with a single thing I don't believe. Go right the F*** ahead and call me stubborn. I'd rather be stubborn than a little BITCH

Oh, and word filters can blow me.

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Why...are you so angry? No I'm not jesus...but I don't get mad when people disagree with me either every one is entitled to thier own opinion regardless of how absurd one might think it is...if you get mad because people disagree with you then you fwooking stupid...see the problem is you're a diehard MMA fan and for some reason can't handle the fact that MMA will never be as big as boxing...

and as you say MMA has been around since 646 BC and it's still not that big...then obviously you're failing to to see that over glaring fact...that nobody want's to watch that crap on a global basis surely not enough for it to surpass boxing..

And actually it's only been the HW division that's been going downward...
BTW you must didn't see the fight last night...face it MMA will never pack an arena like that never...

It wasn't meant to be funny....i just do it because it obviously makes you itch...

THe thread reads: Is MMA BIGGER THAN BOXING? Since you don't understand "NO" I'll illustrate it another way for you...


"BOXING" <-------
"MMA" <------

also....Boxing= :crowd: see the happy fans.....

MMA = :cwm33: are they still on ground hugging?

I'm not getting mad at you disagreeing with me. I'm getting mad at you telling me I have the "Triple s" syndrome, implying that I'm a woman, and a child, and all that jazz.

I'm not a die hard MMA fan. I'm a fan. Just as big as a fan as I am to boxing.

No one wants to see MMA on a global basis? People watch wrestling, people watch boxing, people watch kick boxing, people watch Jiu Jitsu. MMA is so multi cultural that it combines Martial Arts from around the globe.

As I said, MMA been around since 648 BC, but then some douche slaps a bunch of dutchess of queensberry rules on it, and it becomes boxing.

I saw the fight last night (actually, I watched it about five minutes ago. DL'd that sunufabitch). Yes it was packed. BTW you must have not seen the pride openweight tournament two nights ago. Twice as packed, if not more, than delahoya/mayorga. BTW you must not have known that UFC sold out the Staplescenter for Hughes vs. Gracie. Deep down you know it's taking over. Go ahead and write all the oversized words you want. You're not trying to convince me. You're trying to convince yourself.

Alright man let's get it over with...you took the first shot and called everyone queerbait or something like that...that seemed a bit uneccessary so i responded...and that was that...i'll let it go and we can get back to civilized discussing of the topic..cool?

again MMA may be gaining fans but the fact is its currently not on the level of boxing as far as popularity...its still rather underground when compared to boxing...when it becomes an olympic sport started at the amateur level..then maybe it will gain some real followers who can appreciate the evolution of it such as boxing....because right now even though those guys are skilled in diffrent fighting styles it is seen as primative by the untrained eye..and those are the eyes that will make it bigger, because that's where the money comes from...so it doesn't have a real foundation...although i do remember when it didn't have weightclasses and i really was fwooked up..but it has made strides rapidly but the fact is again right now! Its not bigger than boxing....