WILLIAMS 'SHOCKED' BY LACK OF US TALENT

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Originally Posted by FLH2o

What's so shocking? Noone in the states cares about boxing anymore.
The sports that everyone plays here are:
American football-Of course we're the best at it, noone else even plays it.
Basketball-far and away the best, we don't even send our best to the Olympics anymore, but when we did the games were all 126-78 blowouts.
Baseball-we're probably the best at this, I don't know, I f#cking hate baseball.
...also if you check the Olympics there's a bunch of other crap we're apparently great at like snowboarding.
Anyway, my point is it's only natural that as interest wanes due to PPV, corruption,
etc. so shall our hold on boxing superiority. It's no coincidence that when boxing used to air on network TV in the States the HW belt was considered an American birthright.

...and Danny Williams IS a joke.

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Um at Basketball you guys have by far the most individually skilled players, but it seems without the NBA's relaxed rules they have big trouble playing against the technically sound teams in europe... And any team of allstars going from the States should win in the Olympics no questions asked... Them losing is an embarrassement for all North Americans... no offense I love the NBA and cheer for United States over Canada, and I felt embarrassed when US lost.

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Originally Posted by CasperUK

He's better than average, he keeps getting the results so that places him pretty high on my list. Looking at the Top 20, Danny could easily beat most of them. Only Toney and Wladamir I would pick against Danny.
He used to be pretty good though, he could put together combo's like a little featherweight a few years ago, had good speed, movement, jab and sledgehammer power in both hands.

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John Ruiz kept getting the results too lol

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Originally Posted by tuckwopat

I'm not gonna bother mixing words about Williams. He's garbage. The only way that he even looks halfway decent is when compared to other turds in the division.

He beat Harrison, who obviously sucks. He beat Skelton, who as far as I can tell has beat nobody. But who has he lost to: Julius Francis, Michael Sprott, Sinan Samil Sam... (Michael Sprott?)

I could care less if American's dominate the heavies (An I'm from America). At this point, arguing about who is dominating the heavies is like asking which turd smells better. So if Williams does have a valid claim to being a true heavyweight contender, then the state of the heavies is worse off than I thought.

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You're obviously a retard.

There were glimpses of class. He nicely redeemed himself against Francis after losing his commonwealth title, at a time when Francis was pretty good and not the punching back of today.

Against the 3rd Sprott outing, he thought 'I cant be bothered with this', he'd already beaten him TWICE convincingly, why bother with a 3rd match, so he toyed around with Sprott and IMO did win the fight, but the referee didnt like the stupid showboating and deducted points off him which reflected in the end result. Danny's own fault but had everything been on equal terms (ie no points deductions) Williams would have retained his title.

As for the Sam fight, he had the shingles. IF they fought now, Williams would win. Sam has regressed so badly, it's untrue.

Williams has class. Audley had class (a fucking gold medal, hello!), and Skelton was a big thread. He won against both men, both tipped to become champions. You're obviously bitter that Danny boy whupped your boy Mike Tyson and broke his heart. Tough shit. Danny's still active, Mikey boy quit to screw around and travel all around the world.

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Originally Posted by CasperUK

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't totally disagree, US heavyweights are down right now, but Danny should have let somebody else say it since he's such a garbage fighter.

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He beats Mike Tyson, gets up numerous times against the DOMINANT HW champion in Vitali Klitscko, he BEATS a GOLD medallist in Audley Harrison and beats a man with a long knockout streak in unbeaten Matt Skelton, and he's garbage? You F****** moron!

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;D you're wound a little tight aren't you

Maybe I was a bit harsh cause of his arrogance, maybe Ralieghts right when he says that he's average, if he's average though, he's average at best

He beat Mike Tyson? The same one that lost to McBride? Lets don't act like that's a huge accomplishment.

He took a horrific beating versus Vitali. Credit to him for getting up, he does have heart, but that doesn't make him a good fighter

You should have left out the part about Audley ;D Come the fuck on now, you can't be serious, Audley (gold medal or not) is a waste of space who's scared of his own shadow. And Williams fought HORRIBLY against him, lazy, slow, he barely even beat Audley. Look at Audley's last fight, nobody over here confuses Dominic Guinn with a good fighter but he just about shut Audley out, Audley won maybe two rounds. He handled him with ease, especially compared to Williams' performance.

Williams is average at best, his only chance at a belt is against Valuev and that's not a sure thing. I can't see him beating any of the elite heavies, I'd probably pick guys like Guinn, Monte Barret, and definitely Krasniqi over him

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Originally Posted by CasperUK

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Originally Posted by tuckwopat

I'm not gonna bother mixing words about Williams. He's garbage. The only way that he even looks halfway decent is when compared to other turds in the division.

He beat Harrison, who obviously sucks. He beat Skelton, who as far as I can tell has beat nobody. But who has he lost to: Julius Francis, Michael Sprott, Sinan Samil Sam... (Michael Sprott?)

I could care less if American's dominate the heavies (An I'm from America). At this point, arguing about who is dominating the heavies is like asking which turd smells better. So if Williams does have a valid claim to being a true heavyweight contender, then the state of the heavies is worse off than I thought.

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You're obviously a retard.

There were glimpses of class. He nicely redeemed himself against Francis after losing his commonwealth title, at a time when Francis was pretty good and not the punching back of today.

Against the 3rd Sprott outing, he thought 'I cant be bothered with this', he'd already beaten him TWICE convincingly, why bother with a 3rd match, so he toyed around with Sprott and IMO did win the fight, but the referee didnt like the stupid showboating and deducted points off him which reflected in the end result. Danny's own fault but had everything been on equal terms (ie no points deductions) Williams would have retained his title.

As for the Sam fight, he had the shingles. IF they fought now, Williams would win. Sam has regressed so badly, it's untrue.

Williams has class. Audley had class (a F****** gold medal, hello!), and Skelton was a big thread. He won against both men, both tipped to become champions. You're obviously bitter that Danny boy whupped your boy Mike Tyson and broke his heart. Tough S***. Danny's still active, Mikey boy quit to screw around and travel all around the world.

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Don't call me a retard you idiot. I'm talking about a boxer, not you personally. Francis was never good, and the commonwealth title means nothing. Tyson has been washed up since the early 90's. Kevin McBride also beat Tyson, is he the next Ali.

Just because Audley won a gold medal doesn't make him a good professional fighter, because he's not. yeah, Danny's still active, and the heavyweight division has never looked so good because of his grade A talent. Its almost silly that I'm arguing with a Danny Williams fan.

Facts are facts. We're not in the business of speculation or subjectivism here.

lets hope the heavy division gets back on its feet soon. the guys there now are all tough but don't seem to have the skills of the past era, but still you wouldn't want to upset any of them then meet them down a ally

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Originally Posted by CasperUK

Facts are facts. We're not in the business of speculation or subjectivism here.

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Nearly every post on here is speculation. (Could Ali beat Tyson and etc..) The relevance of the fact that you are presenting is easily disputed.

Danny Williams saying that the States aren't presenting any contenders is pure speculation. It's not as if he watches every amatuer match and can keep up with every boxer. But the side that must be argued to that is, who is Danny Williams to argue about up and coming fighters in the first place. If he knew good boxing from bad boxing he would've retired awhile ago.

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Originally Posted by CasperUK

Facts are facts. We're not in the business of speculation or subjectivism here.

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<chuckle> You're obviously new around here Casper. Them's our two main things there.

Taeth bro,
I'm disgusted by the NBA, fundamentals have gone completely out the window and I mostly just watch college now. However, if we sent Shaquille O'Neal,
Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant and Steve Nash to every international
event it would be right back to original-dream-team-size blowouts fundamentals or not. Selfishness plays a huge role, but apathy is why we send average players like Richard Jefferson to lose to Argentina. Hell, do you realize there was not a center
on the roster that lost to Argentina, NOT 1!

Sorry guys, not trying to make this a basketball thread.