Re: Tough Guys and Gentlemen! (racist Toney) - by Michael Montero
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by bilbo
:coolclick: to too Game
Thats why they call me Mucho testosterone
Wheres the click then?? I didn't get it yet,
and feel free to recycle the Webster one!
Do yourself a huuuuuge favor... get a history book and read it. To assume that blacks and jews are the only group to be discrimnated against is extremely narrow minded. Next time James Toney says some f*cked up S***, I'll be sure to come to you for a justification!
Ok it seems like we are going around in circles here. First off I never stated that blacks and Jews were the only races to be discriminated against I merely used two examples of real racism. It's probably a good idea if you read a post properly before you give advice based on an erroneous understanding of it's content ;)
You didn't like my definition of racism, no matter I can just as easily prove my point using yours. You say and I quote '
I told you what racism is......it is simply treating someone differently than you treat others due to their ethnic background.'
Ok so using YOUR definition lets see if James Toney is a racist. Well he ceretainly did say derogatory things about Wladimir and white heavyweight boxers in general, it was negative I'll give you that.
But according to YOUR definition in order for it to be construed as racism it would have to be an attack by Toney on this ethnic group alone.
Ok just a few recollections from past Toney interviews. He said he was going to feed Rahman (a devout Muslim and also black!) a pork chop (unholy food according to Islam). Pretty negative but not really racist as Rahman is black, although you could argue he's also a promoter of religious hatred and intolerance.
Another example. He said that if he had the power he would kick out all of the Mexicans from the United States. So he's racist against Mexicans as well then!
Another example. He slagged of Chris Byrd for allowing his wife to manage him. Can't remember the comments exactly but they were not too nice regarding Chris' wife. So Toney is a misogynist as well then.
Another quote I found on the net, '“I didn't run from the situation. I didn't hide the ordeal from the reporters like the sissy baseball players. I fought it head-on. … We dealt with it. It's over. And now we're moving on.” Here we can clearly see he is also prejudiced against other non boxing athletes, and calling them sissys could certainly be construed as homophobic, so now we have evidence of Toney being anti-gay!
Yet another example regarding the HBO commentary team, 'Then you have these dickwads on HBO, Jim Lampley. Do you guys have a voicemail or email, an email for Jim Lampley? Well, get it and email me. These are f*ck b*tches, these are punk boys, *ssholes, c*cksuckers. You see they don’t even know how call fights. They kept saying he was hitting me, dude wasn’t even hitting me. You all saw the fight, what fight did you see? Did you see me slipping this guy's damn shots. From this we can see yet more extreme homophobic sentiment,
Some more Toney ': Steve Nelson, Hasim Rahman, Bob Arum, Top Rank - they could all suck my d*ck. They are all some cattle catchers. Bob Arum knows he lost that fight. Bob Arum had the nerve to say "I think we did enough to win.' B*tch you know you didn’t win that fight. Bob Arum, his wife got his balls. Please send this to him. Everybody in Top Rank is ballless, ballless pricks.
Here is an interesting accusation of corruption within boxing from Toney 'Somehow they must have paid the WBC to overlook the incident and then fight Oleg Maskaev. So, they are going to fight Oleg Maskaev. If he was a real champion and he really thought he won that fight, he would try to fight me right away.'
An interesting piece by Toney this time about the BLACK Shannon Briggs ' They had Shannon Briggs on ESPN, in the studio. This son of a b*tch had the audacity to say that everybody was scared of him to fight him. The punk b*tch, I saw you in Cancun last month and you were scared to death when I walked to you. You son of a b*tch come fight me. I'll knock your f*cking dreads on your f*cking back.
Here's what he said about Chris Byrd ' Media: What about Chris Byrd?
James Toney: I'll fight him, him and his wife. I got a girl, 185 pounds, ready to whoop her *ss and any other wife out there in boxing that’s trying to come to the sport. All of these wives out here are banding together. What's her name? Mosley's wife?
Media: Jin. I thought Jin was cool with you, the Mosleys?
James Toney: I'm cool with Shane. I don’t know her and don’t care to know her. And if Shane feels offended by it, f*ck him. I don’t care who I offend. If you like me, you like me. If you don’t, suck my d*ck. Shane and all these other guys who let their wives come in and try to control their minds - that's some f*ggots man. They got no heart, no balls, no backbone.
And finally here is a nice racist rant at another fellow black Antonio Tarver 'Antonio Tarver ain’t got no heart. He's from the south, country boy picking cotton baskets. He's got bubble gum colored lips.
Ok so according to YOUR definition not mine racism is when you treat one group different from another based on their race.
Well then I guess according to you Toney must be racist against every race on earth including his own!
Throw in misogyni, homophobia, religous hatred, resistance to authority and I'm suprised your not clamouring for him to be imprisoned immediately as a menace to society or at the very least deported to some far flung remote part of the world.
Seriously Toney, as I have said before talks a lot of smack and bullshit. You may not like it, I'm not saying you should but to say that he is racist against white people based on the evidence is just ridiculous. Toney hates everybody and everything, it's his way.
People who see racism in every comment and utterence actually only serve to exagerate and fuel the very thing they are complaining about.
Enough REAL racism exists in the world, it shouldn't be trivialised by attaching labels and making accusations against any Tom Dick and Harry.
Finally, let me leave you with a nice joke, that you can get all het up about.
In a school history lesson the teacher asks the class, 'Who said We will fight them in the air and we will fight them on the beaches?'
A young black kid says 'Winston Churchill 1940'
'Shut up you black c***!' says a voice at the back,
WHO SAID THAT??!! demands the teacher,
the voice replies 'Enoch Powell 1958'
Re: Tough Guys and Gentlemen! (racist Toney) - by Michael Montero
The writer didn't mention that the things Toney said from the hip hop magazine was under a section titled "The 10 things I learned as a child" or something like that. It wasn't a blanket statement.