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there is NO WAY he hits harder then judah
Um, I hate to disagree but he does hit harder than Zab. He has more punches in his arsenal too...that cross, left hook combo is a killer
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there is NO WAY he hits harder then judah
Um, I hate to disagree but he does hit harder than Zab. He has more punches in his arsenal too...that cross, left hook combo is a killer
i would be surprised if he hits as hard at 154 as zab does at 147
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Floyd is too fast for Oscar, but not as powerful. He might outpoint ODLH but definitely won't knock him out like BHop did. He's smaller and like Mosley will win by decision. His style will win him points, and Oscar will only be able to win by a lucky KO, but that's unlikely.
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This is all dumb...After Hatton mops the floor wit Collazo, then Floyd needs to go that route, and thats it.
Floyd needs to fight someone young and undefeated to prove himself. Forget ODLH be a man and fight hatton.
just who has hatton faught to deserve a shot with PBF or ODLH? ok he beat an aging Tszyu...what else......he has fought no one else near their caliber....PBF would beat him like he embarrassed Gotti..just because he's undefeated does not make him a great fighter....Hatton is a copy of Micky Ward...if that...
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Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
Managers are like NBA coaches, they're unbelievably overrated. Yes, a good one makes a big difference from a bad one, but ultimately when you have two world class athletes in a ring, they will have only themselves to rely on. You say who has Floyd beaten that is worthwhile above 135? I agree. No one worth mentioning along the likes of Leonard or Hagler's resume. Now I'll ask you this. Exactly who has Oscar beaten above welterweight? Vargas? Mayorga? Not that much more impressive than Judah or Mitchell.
When two of the sports elite boxers face off it generally turns into a chess match and your telling me having the other guys father as your TRAINER (very different to manager) will have no consiquence? Floyd's style is typical of his Father, I see that as a huge advantage for Oscar.
Who has Oscar beaten above Welter you ask... well I give you the 2nd Mosely fight at 154 ;) also the Vargas that Oscar beat would have destroyed the Judah and Mitchell that Floyd beat and Mayorga would as well for that matter.. could you see Judah or Mitchell standing and trading with Mayorga? no.. anyways I didn't say above 147 I said above 135. In my eyes he is still riding the wave he created back at Super Featherweight, above 130 the only name I see is Castillo. I'm simply just questioning Floyds strength above 140lb.
I'll jump back on the PBF bandwagon after he beats Hatton and the Welterweight mess is sorted out.
oh and as far as Leonard/Hagler goes, well throw in Hearns and Duran at Middleweight and their resume is definately worth mentioning ;D "Fabulous Four" its worth tracking down.
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
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Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
Managers are like NBA coaches, they're unbelievably overrated. Yes, a good one makes a big difference from a bad one, but ultimately when you have two world class athletes in a ring, they will have only themselves to rely on. You say who has Floyd beaten that is worthwhile above 135? I agree. No one worth mentioning along the likes of Leonard or Hagler's resume. Now I'll ask you this. Exactly who has Oscar beaten above welterweight? Vargas? Mayorga? Not that much more impressive than Judah or Mitchell.
When two of the sports elite boxers face off it generally turns into a chess match and your telling me having the other guys father as your TRAINER (very different to manager) will have no consiquence? Floyd's style is typical of his Father, I see that as a huge advantage for Oscar.
Who has Oscar beaten above Welter you ask... well I give you the 2nd Mosely fight at 154 ;) also the Vargas that Oscar beat would have destroyed the Judah and Mitchell that Floyd beat and Mayorga would as well for that matter.. could you see Judah or Mitchell standing and trading with Mayorga? no.. anyways I didn't say above 147 I said above 135. In my eyes he is still riding the wave he created back at Super Featherweight, above 130 the only name I see is Castillo. I'm simply just questioning Floyds strength above 140lb.
I'll jump back on the PBF bandwagon after he beats Hatton and the Welterweight mess is sorted out.
oh and as far as Leonard/Hagler goes, well throw in Hearns and Duran at Middleweight and their resume is definately worth mentioning ;D "Fabulous Four" its worth tracking down.
Which Mosley are you talking about? You mean the one who entered that fight without having won his previous 3 bouts? Not exactly the momentum machine Oscar faced at 147 was it. And yes, the Vargas Oscar faced would have beaten Judah and Mitchell, HE WAS ON STEROIDS! The four biggest wins of Oscar's career (Quartey, Whitaker, Vargas, and Mayorga) are all either controversal and close decisions or Trinidad leftovers. I'm not dissing Oscar, because he's just as skilled as Mayweather, but let's stop acting as if his victories are more meaningful than Floyd's.
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Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
Managers are like NBA coaches, they're unbelievably overrated. Yes, a good one makes a big difference from a bad one, but ultimately when you have two world class athletes in a ring, they will have only themselves to rely on. You say who has Floyd beaten that is worthwhile above 135? I agree. No one worth mentioning along the likes of Leonard or Hagler's resume. Now I'll ask you this. Exactly who has Oscar beaten above welterweight? Vargas? Mayorga? Not that much more impressive than Judah or Mitchell.
When two of the sports elite boxers face off it generally turns into a chess match and your telling me having the other guys father as your TRAINER (very different to manager) will have no consiquence? Floyd's style is typical of his Father, I see that as a huge advantage for Oscar.
Who has Oscar beaten above Welter you ask... well I give you the 2nd Mosely fight at 154 ;) also the Vargas that Oscar beat would have destroyed the Judah and Mitchell that Floyd beat and Mayorga would as well for that matter.. could you see Judah or Mitchell standing and trading with Mayorga? no.. anyways I didn't say above 147 I said above 135. In my eyes he is still riding the wave he created back at Super Featherweight, above 130 the only name I see is Castillo. I'm simply just questioning Floyds strength above 140lb.
I'll jump back on the PBF bandwagon after he beats Hatton and the Welterweight mess is sorted out.
oh and as far as Leonard/Hagler goes, well throw in Hearns and Duran at Middleweight and their resume is definately worth mentioning ;D "Fabulous Four" its worth tracking down.
I'm not dissing Oscar, because he's just as skilled as Mayweather, but
let's stop acting as if his victories are more meaningful than Floyd's.
man you are cracking me up!! :lol: Judah previously had his ass handed to him by Baldomir!! and Mitchell was dismantalled and destroyed by Kostya at 140lb before he moved up yet you believe these are comparible victories at 147lb to Whitiker, Comacho, Quartley, Trinidad and Mosely? :stonedsmilie:
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Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
Managers are like NBA coaches, they're unbelievably overrated. Yes, a good one makes a big difference from a bad one, but ultimately when you have two world class athletes in a ring, they will have only themselves to rely on. You say who has Floyd beaten that is worthwhile above 135? I agree. No one worth mentioning along the likes of Leonard or Hagler's resume. Now I'll ask you this. Exactly who has Oscar beaten above welterweight? Vargas? Mayorga? Not that much more impressive than Judah or Mitchell.
When two of the sports elite boxers face off it generally turns into a chess match and your telling me having the other guys father as your TRAINER (very different to manager) will have no consiquence? Floyd's style is typical of his Father, I see that as a huge advantage for Oscar.
Who has Oscar beaten above Welter you ask... well I give you the 2nd Mosely fight at 154 ;) also the Vargas that Oscar beat would have destroyed the Judah and Mitchell that Floyd beat and Mayorga would as well for that matter.. could you see Judah or Mitchell standing and trading with Mayorga? no.. anyways I didn't say above 147 I said above 135. In my eyes he is still riding the wave he created back at Super Featherweight, above 130 the only name I see is Castillo. I'm simply just questioning Floyds strength above 140lb.
I'll jump back on the PBF bandwagon after he beats Hatton and the Welterweight mess is sorted out.
oh and as far as Leonard/Hagler goes, well throw in Hearns and Duran at Middleweight and their resume is definately worth mentioning ;D "Fabulous Four" its worth tracking down.
I'm not dissing Oscar, because he's just as skilled as Mayweather, but
let's stop acting as if his victories are more meaningful than Floyd's.
man you are cracking me up!! :lol: Judah previously had his a** handed to him by
Baldomir!! and Mitchell was dismantalled and destroyed by Kostya at
140lb before he moved up yet you believe these are comparible victories at
147lb to Whitiker, Comacho, Quartley, Trinidad and Mosely? :stonedsmilie:
Either you have short term memory or just aren't intellegent enough to comprehend what is written. I SAID WHO HAS OSCAR BEATEN ABOVE WELTERWEIGHT? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The mere fact you have to go back a decade for his fights with Camacho and Whitaker shows you don't even have the attention span to sustain your own argument. You say Floyd is living off of victories from long ago, yet need to back up your stance with Oscar fights from 10 years ago. Good night :lickish:
p.s. Floyd beats Oscar by UD
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Not to mention if you look at Oscar's last 4 fights, you could make a legitamate argument that he's really 1-3.
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Not to mention if you look at Oscar's last 4 fights, you could make a legitamate argument that he's really 1-3.
Blah. Legitimate, maybe, in a twisted way, but certainly not meaningful. Oscar - Hopkins was more realistic than Tapia - Barrera, perhaps, but still tends in that direction. Oscar was pushing the envelope too far and he met a reasonable limitation. When has Floyd stepped up in weight like that to fight someone of the caliber of Hopkins?
Nevah.
Sturm, yeah, debatable, Oscar didn't come in prime, looked puffy, and I'm not sure it was a solid win. Kinda like Mayweather-Castillo, come to think of it, except not quite as obvious a robbery.
PBF is fine stuff, he really is, but he hasn't been tested like DLH. If they get in the ring together, I think DLH will get his number and corner him. PBF loves to run, but I think Oscar would hunt him down. and put him down, if not just out.
I'm thinking that Oscar can take PBF, but I am doubting that they will get in the ring together. Unfortunately; I"d love to see it MOVE BOXING FORWARD bigtime.
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Not to mention if you look at Oscar's last 4 fights, you could make a legitamate argument that he's really 1-3.
Blah. Legitimate, maybe, in a twisted way, but certainly not meaningful. Oscar - Hopkins was more realistic than Tapia - Barrera, perhaps, but still tends in that direction. Oscar was pushing the envelope too far and he met a reasonable limitation. When has Floyd stepped up in weight like that to fight someone of the caliber of Hopkins?
Nevah.
Sturm, yeah, debatable, Oscar didn't come in prime, looked puffy, and I'm not sure it was a solid win. Kinda like Mayweather-Castillo, come to think of it, except not quite as obvious a robbery.
PBF is fine stuff, he really is, but he hasn't been tested like DLH. If they get in the ring together, I think DLH will get his number and corner him. PBF loves to run, but I think Oscar would hunt him down. and put him down, if not just out.
I'm thinking that Oscar can take PBF, but I am doubting that they will get in the ring together. Unfortunately; I"d love to see it MOVE BOXING FORWARD bigtime.
But isn't Floyd attempting to step up in weight like Oscar did against Hopkins? I think the difference there is that Hopkins was a fighter who peaked towards the end of his career, and Oscar peaked at around 2000. I don't think Oscar could outpoint someone like Mayweather while being on the downside of his career. When Oscar was at 140, I think he'd smoke Mayweather, but it's not alot about the weight, it's about Oscar's age. I happen to think the same of Roy Jones. It wasn't so much the weight that did him in, it was that he just lost his reflexes and some speed because he was getting older. And Oscar historically has problems with boxers, he never just corners them and takes them out.
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Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
Managers are like NBA coaches, they're unbelievably overrated. Yes, a good one makes a big difference from a bad one, but ultimately when you have two world class athletes in a ring, they will have only themselves to rely on. You say who has Floyd beaten that is worthwhile above 135? I agree. No one worth mentioning along the likes of Leonard or Hagler's resume. Now I'll ask you this. Exactly who has Oscar beaten above welterweight? Vargas? Mayorga? Not that much more impressive than Judah or Mitchell.
When two of the sports elite boxers face off it generally turns into a chess match and your telling me having the other guys father as your TRAINER (very different to manager) will have no consiquence? Floyd's style is typical of his Father, I see that as a huge advantage for Oscar.
Who has Oscar beaten above Welter you ask... well I give you the 2nd Mosely fight at 154 ;) also the Vargas that Oscar beat would have destroyed the Judah and Mitchell that Floyd beat and Mayorga would as well for that matter.. could you see Judah or Mitchell standing and trading with Mayorga? no.. anyways I didn't say above 147 I said above 135. In my eyes he is still riding the wave he created back at Super Featherweight, above 130 the only name I see is Castillo. I'm simply just questioning Floyds strength above 140lb.
I'll jump back on the PBF bandwagon after he beats Hatton and the Welterweight mess is sorted out.
oh and as far as Leonard/Hagler goes, well throw in Hearns and Duran at Middleweight and their resume is definately worth mentioning ;D "Fabulous Four" its worth tracking down.
I'm not dissing Oscar, because he's just as skilled as Mayweather, but
let's stop acting as if his victories are more meaningful than Floyd's.
man you are cracking me up!! :lol: Judah previously had his a** handed to him by
Baldomir!! and Mitchell was dismantalled and destroyed by Kostya at
140lb before he moved up yet you believe these are comparible victories at
147lb to Whitiker, Comacho, Quartley, Trinidad and Mosely? :stonedsmilie:
Either you have short term memory or just aren't intellegent enough to comprehend what is written. I SAID WHO HAS OSCAR BEATEN ABOVE WELTERWEIGHT? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The mere fact you have to go back a decade for his fights with Camacho and Whitaker shows you don't even have the attention span to sustain your own argument. You say Floyd is living off of victories from long ago, yet need to back up your stance with Oscar fights from 10 years ago. Good night :lickish:
p.s. Floyd beats Oscar by UD
Hey before you run off to school... ;)
Sorry I thought we were arguing about whose resume read better? fact is past or present its Oscar's hands down.
and maybe I' am a little stupid because I don't have a clue what the hell VICTORIES ABOVE WELTERWEIGHT has to do with anything? when Floyd hasn't even had a SINGLE fight above Welterweight!
If Floyd retired today years from now would your grandchildren be talking about the great Floyd Mayweather Jnr who beat Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez and Castillo? mmm.... I doubt it. Don't get me wrong I can clearly see Floyd's talent just think he isn't great YET.
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Not sure if I had responded to this...but here goes...again...or for the first time...
YES...Floyd jr can stand up to Oscar & what he has to offer.
The likelihood of Oscar landing what he did against Mayorga on Floyd is slim to none.
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
There is no way Oscar hits Floyd as easily as he Mayorga.
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Not sure if I had responded to this...but here goes...again...or for the first time...
YES...Floyd jr can stand up to Oscar & what he has to offer.
The likelihood of Oscar landing what he did against Mayorga on Floyd is slim to none.
so you want a peice of me too eh?.. ;D
the way i see it if Corely can land a couple on Floyd then I'm sure Oscar can as well. Floyd didn't look all that quick to me against Judah and I imagine he will slow down considerably more at 154 also Judah was landing to Floyd's body quite frequently.
I do admit though we don't know if Oscar can go more than 6 rounds... and even if he will be 100% healthy in his next fight. Plus Oscar has already stated that he doesn't want to be a stepping stone.
All and all its a tough pick but the crux of it is...
Oscar didn't look shot to me against Bernard he just looked out of his weight class and that is what I' am anticipating will happen to Floyd at 154lb. ;) When he plants his feet to get respect he is gonna get caught, which is ok against his recent competition but lets see what happens when he does that in his next 2-3 fights.
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Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
Managers are like NBA coaches, they're unbelievably overrated. Yes, a good one makes a big difference from a bad one, but ultimately when you have two world class athletes in a ring, they will have only themselves to rely on. You say who has Floyd beaten that is worthwhile above 135? I agree. No one worth mentioning along the likes of Leonard or Hagler's resume. Now I'll ask you this. Exactly who has Oscar beaten above welterweight? Vargas? Mayorga? Not that much more impressive than Judah or Mitchell.
When two of the sports elite boxers face off it generally turns into a chess match and your telling me having the other guys father as your TRAINER (very different to manager) will have no consiquence? Floyd's style is typical of his Father, I see that as a huge advantage for Oscar.
Who has Oscar beaten above Welter you ask... well I give you the 2nd Mosely fight at 154 ;) also the Vargas that Oscar beat would have destroyed the Judah and Mitchell that Floyd beat and Mayorga would as well for that matter.. could you see Judah or Mitchell standing and trading with Mayorga? no.. anyways I didn't say above 147 I said above 135. In my eyes he is still riding the wave he created back at Super Featherweight, above 130 the only name I see is Castillo. I'm simply just questioning Floyds strength above 140lb.
I'll jump back on the PBF bandwagon after he beats Hatton and the Welterweight mess is sorted out.
oh and as far as Leonard/Hagler goes, well throw in Hearns and Duran at Middleweight and their resume is definately worth mentioning ;D "Fabulous Four" its worth tracking down.
I'm not dissing Oscar, because he's just as skilled as Mayweather, but
let's stop acting as if his victories are more meaningful than Floyd's.
man you are cracking me up!! :lol: Judah previously had his a** handed to him by
Baldomir!! and Mitchell was dismantalled and destroyed by Kostya at
140lb before he moved up yet you believe these are comparible victories at
147lb to Whitiker, Comacho, Quartley, Trinidad and Mosely? :stonedsmilie:
Either you have short term memory or just aren't intellegent enough to comprehend what is written. I SAID WHO HAS OSCAR BEATEN ABOVE WELTERWEIGHT? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The mere fact you have to go back a decade for his fights with Camacho and Whitaker shows you don't even have the attention span to sustain your own argument. You say Floyd is living off of victories from long ago, yet need to back up your stance with Oscar fights from 10 years ago. Good night :lickish:
p.s. Floyd beats Oscar by UD
Hey before you run off to school... ;)
Sorry I thought we were arguing about whose resume read better? fact is past or present its Oscar's hands down.
and maybe I' am a little stupid because I don't have a clue what the hell VICTORIES ABOVE WELTERWEIGHT has to do with anything? when Floyd hasn't even had a SINGLE fight above Welterweight!
If Floyd retired today years from now would your grandchildren be talking about the great Floyd Mayweather Jnr who beat Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez and Castillo? mmm.... I doubt it. Don't get me wrong I can clearly see Floyd's talent just think he isn't great YET.
I understand what you're saying but I merely stated Oscar's fights above welterweight because those are the only fights he's had for the past five years. I probably worded it wrong and should have said who has Oscar beaten the past 5 years that is so much more noteworthy of who Mayweather has beaten the last 5 years. And the point I made about Floyd entering his prime and Oscar being in the twilight of his career is my main reason for thinking Floyd would win. I've believed all along that they're equally gifted, but Oscar is on his way out the door, and if he's gonna meet Floyd at the high point of his career when he's nearly done, I don't see how he can win, especially since he's never had an easy time with skilled boxers. A younger Oscar, I would probably put my money on him, but Oscar is not the fighter he was back then. Even the Oscar who lost that first fight to Mosley at 147 IMO was better than the one we saw last Saturday. I think people just put too much stock in Mayorga, like Trinidad did before the Winky fight.
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Oscar beating Mayorga means he can beat Floyd. Do people actually believe that? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Oscar has a chance against anyone, but, to jump up and down, and get excited because he beat a washed-up, immobile, no defence having stupid fighter, is not something to get excited about. Mayorga is tough, but nowhere near the same league is Floyd.
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Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
Managers are like NBA coaches, they're unbelievably overrated. Yes, a good one makes a big difference from a bad one, but ultimately when you have two world class athletes in a ring, they will have only themselves to rely on. You say who has Floyd beaten that is worthwhile above 135? I agree. No one worth mentioning along the likes of Leonard or Hagler's resume. Now I'll ask you this. Exactly who has Oscar beaten above welterweight? Vargas? Mayorga? Not that much more impressive than Judah or Mitchell.
When two of the sports elite boxers face off it generally turns into a chess match and your telling me having the other guys father as your TRAINER (very different to manager) will have no consiquence? Floyd's style is typical of his Father, I see that as a huge advantage for Oscar.
Who has Oscar beaten above Welter you ask... well I give you the 2nd Mosely fight at 154 ;) also the Vargas that Oscar beat would have destroyed the Judah and Mitchell that Floyd beat and Mayorga would as well for that matter.. could you see Judah or Mitchell standing and trading with Mayorga? no.. anyways I didn't say above 147 I said above 135. In my eyes he is still riding the wave he created back at Super Featherweight, above 130 the only name I see is Castillo. I'm simply just questioning Floyds strength above 140lb.
I'll jump back on the PBF bandwagon after he beats Hatton and the Welterweight mess is sorted out.
oh and as far as Leonard/Hagler goes, well throw in Hearns and Duran at Middleweight and their resume is definately worth mentioning ;D "Fabulous Four" its worth tracking down.
I'm not dissing Oscar, because he's just as skilled as Mayweather, but
let's stop acting as if his victories are more meaningful than Floyd's.
man you are cracking me up!! :lol: Judah previously had his a** handed to him by
Baldomir!! and Mitchell was dismantalled and destroyed by Kostya at
140lb before he moved up yet you believe these are comparible victories at
147lb to Whitiker, Comacho, Quartley, Trinidad and Mosely? :stonedsmilie:
Either you have short term memory or just aren't intellegent enough to comprehend what is written. I SAID WHO HAS OSCAR BEATEN ABOVE WELTERWEIGHT? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The mere fact you have to go back a decade for his fights with Camacho and Whitaker shows you don't even have the attention span to sustain your own argument. You say Floyd is living off of victories from long ago, yet need to back up your stance with Oscar fights from 10 years ago. Good night :lickish:
p.s. Floyd beats Oscar by UD
Hey before you run off to school... ;)
Sorry I thought we were arguing about whose resume read better? fact is past or present its Oscar's hands down.
and maybe I' am a little stupid because I don't have a clue what the hell VICTORIES ABOVE WELTERWEIGHT has to do with anything? when Floyd hasn't even had a SINGLE fight above Welterweight!
If Floyd retired today years from now would your grandchildren be talking about the great Floyd Mayweather Jnr who beat Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez and Castillo? mmm.... I doubt it. Don't get me wrong I can clearly see Floyd's talent just think he isn't great YET.
I understand what you're saying but I merely stated Oscar's fights above welterweight because those are the only fights he's had for the past five years. I probably worded it wrong and should have said who has Oscar beaten the past 5 years that is so much more noteworthy of who Mayweather has beaten the last 5 years. And the point I made about Floyd entering his prime and Oscar being in the twilight of his career is my main reason for thinking Floyd would win. I've believed all along that they're equally gifted, but Oscar is on his way out the door, and if he's gonna meet Floyd at the high point of his career when he's nearly done, I don't see how he can win, especially since he's never had an easy time with skilled boxers. A younger Oscar, I would probably put my money on him, but Oscar is not the fighter he was back then. Even the Oscar who lost that first fight to Mosley at 147 IMO was better than the one we saw last Saturday. I think people just put too much stock in Mayorga, like Trinidad did before the Winky fight.
ok you made some fair points Oscar is definatley on the way out while Floyd is without doubt in his prime and I totally agree that Mayorga has been grossly over rated just like before Tito. But Winky and Mayweather are two different kettle of fish. My guess is you pick Winky over Taylor? but would you pick Mayweather over Taylor? My main issue for picking Oscar is size and your main issue for picking Floyd is age, so lets just agree to disagree on this one hey. ;) thanks for the debate ;D
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Floyd needs a consistant style before he's in his prime ;)
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Oscar beating Mayorga means he can beat Floyd. Do people actually believe that? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Oscar has a chance against anyone, but, to jump up and down, and get excited because he beat a washed-up, immobile, no defence having stupid fighter, is not something to get excited about. Mayorga is tough, but nowhere near the same league is Floyd.
I don't think I have heard anyone say that. What seems instead to be the case that there was fear that Oscar had lost it to rust or age, and that because of that Mayorga would be dangerous for him.
What proved to be the case was that Oscar came out looking very much like ... Oscar.
Now - since we are able to compare Oscar to Oscar, we can reasonably discuss Floyd having difficulies against him.
That's way different from saying that 'because Oscar beat Mayorga, he can beat Floyd.' Way different.
Oscar will have a significantly more difficult time against Floyd than against Mayorga; no doubt about that, and I don't think anyone anywhere would disagree.
Oscar has great boxing skills which particularly shine against punchers - he's well able to expose the weakness of being a puncher rather than a boxer. Against really good boxers DLH does not shine as readily. He will be in for a tough fight against Floyd, who is more than just really good.
We'll find out how good Oscar's defenses are if he steps in with Floyd; Mayorga wasn't really a test. I think he'll beat Floyd, but it won't be a walk in the park. He'll have to figure him out, time him, keep him in range, cut him off. I think he can I think he can. He might.
He might not.
And that is my prediction.
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Floyd needs a consistant style before he's in his prime ;)
I think it's good to be versatile and Floyd definately is, but recently he doesn't seem to be effective. His power isn't deceptive at this weight, granted it's not as bad as Boldizar. If he continues down this path of 147 and up he'll never have the respect most P4P kings have and he shouldn't as long as he's being stubborn fighting above his weight. When people watch the supposed best in the world they don't expect a feather puncher, so you can't be suprised that noone outside of the boxing world knows his name. He should be showcasing the best of himself at this point in his career, instead he's consciously choosing to do whats not in his best interest. I only say this cause I'm a fan of Floyd and don't wanna see em get fucked over by himself.
Although I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Oscar announces his last bout will be with Trinidad, Floyds heart/bank account will break ::**
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
We haven't seen Floyd lose yet, so I'd bet on him to win by decision. PBF is just as good as a young Mosley, who beat Oscar twice by decision. We all know he doesn't have the power, and at 154, he won't be as fast, but he still will beat Oscar to the punch.
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Floyd is versitile but he needs to be consistant. He doesn't know if he's a boxer or puncher or etc. He was a boxer when he fought Sosa, and since then he has been trying to be like a power fighter who knocks out his opponents to be more exciting. That is going to get him beat one day.
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Floyd is versitile but he needs to be consistant. He doesn't know if he's a boxer or puncher or etc. He was a boxer when he fought Sosa, and since then he has been trying to be like a power fighter who knocks out his opponents to be more exciting. That is going to get him beat one day.
I think it is actually common for boxer/boxers that move up in weight to look like they are trying to be punchers in the higher divisions simply because they lose some of their pop and have to plant their feet more in order to get the same results.
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Which is why he has no business at 147 :\
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Which is why he has no business at 147 :\
exactly
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
I think Floyd will be fine at 147, especially if he don't lose for a year, and has time to settle into the weight. Then he will be unstoppable, but now he is vulnerable. 147 is his max though.
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Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
To answer the question, no Mayweather wouldn't stand up to that. He would duck slip and move out of the way. He'd only get caught if he pulled that stupid shat and dropped his hands.
