Who REALLY won the Hatton vs Collazo fight?

Many of the punches Collazo landed were hard to see. Mostly the right hook because Ricky would immediately somther him after. You really could make a case for both guys though because Ricky was the aggessor. These kinds of fights can look very different from ringside. Remember, the judges can only score punches they see land and Ricky did score to the body a lot. A far from brilliant performance by both guys IMO but a good fight though.

I figured Ricky would KO him if he shot a right cross to the body then left hook to the head. Collazo was blocking decent at times when Hatton didn't mix up the attack well enough.

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I scored the fight 115-112 for Collazo last night and I re-watched it this morning and still came up with the same scoring... if anything, re-watching the 12th round again, you could have scored that a 10-8 round for Collazo.
Sure Hatton was the aggressor, but watch the fight closely... he landed very little meaningful shots from around the 4th round onwards. Most of the punches he threw either missed or hit the gloves/arms of Collazo. If you are still going to be scoring rounds for fighters who are having their punches blocked, then you are not following the rules. Collazo was hitting Hatton with nice combos and generally being all round more effective, although I could see how some people might score certain rounds for Hatton on first viewing.

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I think 'compu whatever it's called' had Hatton landing more punches with a 35% success rate and Collazo 30% success rate with less punches thrown.

Although I thought it was a tough call and perhaps more likely a draw as per my first post:

Overconfident, overawed, outboxed, that's how I saw the fight in the early hours of the morning. I am a huge Hatton fan and hold a natural bias for the man from my home town. BUT This was without a shadow of a doubt the most difficult performance/matchup I have ever witnessed of Hatton's, and I have seen the majority of them. What certainly was apparent was that Hatton could not bully in the ring at the new weight. I dont use the term 'bully' in a derogotory term as that is his style and that is the style I like to see, but he couldn't do it this morning. I really didn't think the fact that Collazo was taller, would be the difficulty, Hatton has faced taller compition previously (such as the Maussa), but it did prove difficult. As correctly noted by Sky in their commentary, Hatton kept getting hit by the right hook from Colazzo, and that was when he could see! His left eye was so badly shut by the latter rounds that he was getting hit with alarming regularity. I had the fight tight. I did think Colazzo was shook several times in the fight, but felt he definitely got through with the cleaner shots. Hatton did work hard as usual and did outwork as he normally does, but simply without the power and snap we are accustomed to seeing. I hate to say it but have to agree with Colazzo when he said he expects a guy to do better than that to take his title. I would have to agree. It now leaves unanswered questions about Hatton at 147. At 140 I think he is too strong a prospect but may have real difficulties with the bigger weight. I admire Ricky for moving up, fighting for a belt straight away and fighting in the states, but the man who really impressed me tonight was Luis Collazo, who was quick with his hands, courageous, gracious in defeat (considering the closeness) and a guy who can make giant steps in the welterweight division.

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Compubox never tells the story of a fight, it is very inaccurate in my opinion. Anyway, Hatton landed a lot in the opening rounds, but then Collazo started to figure him out.
If a fighter lands, lets say, 100 punches in the first 4 rounds compared to about 20 for the other guy... if, from that point on the fighter who landed 100 punches only lands 20 punches a round and the other guy lands about 25 a round, Compubox will show that the fighter who lost most of the rounds landed more, so it is never accurate enough if you are scoring a fight on the 10 point must system.
But still, it was the type of fight that would be hard to score on first viewing so I don't blame anyone who gave Hatton the nod.

The thing that would make compubox better is if they used the punch stats in round form. IE Hatton could land 50 punches in one round and 10 in the next and 5 in the next to have 65 landed over 3 rounds and Collazo could have 25, 15, and 10 and have a total of 50 landed but he would have won 2 of the 3 rounds based on punchstats so you never know.

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I scored the fight 115-112 for Collazo last night and I re-watched it this morning and still came up with the same scoring... if anything, re-watching the 12th round again, you could have scored that a 10-8 round for Collazo.
Sure Hatton was the aggressor, but watch the fight closely... he landed very little meaningful shots from around the 4th round onwards. Most of the punches he threw either missed or hit the gloves/arms of Collazo. If you are still going to be scoring rounds for fighters who are having their punches blocked, then you are not following the rules. Collazo was hitting Hatton with nice combos and generally being all round more effective, although I could see how some people might score certain rounds for Hatton on first viewing.

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I think 'compu whatever it's called' had Hatton landing more punches with a 35% success rate and Collazo 30% success rate with less punches thrown.

Although I thought it was a tough call and perhaps more likely a draw as per my first post:

Overconfident, overawed, outboxed, that's how I saw the fight in the early hours of the morning. I am a huge Hatton fan and hold a natural bias for the man from my home town. BUT This was without a shadow of a doubt the most difficult performance/matchup I have ever witnessed of Hatton's, and I have seen the majority of them. What certainly was apparent was that Hatton could not bully in the ring at the new weight. I dont use the term 'bully' in a derogotory term as that is his style and that is the style I like to see, but he couldn't do it this morning. I really didn't think the fact that Collazo was taller, would be the difficulty, Hatton has faced taller compition previously (such as the Maussa), but it did prove difficult. As correctly noted by Sky in their commentary, Hatton kept getting hit by the right hook from Colazzo, and that was when he could see! His left eye was so badly shut by the latter rounds that he was getting hit with alarming regularity. I had the fight tight. I did think Colazzo was shook several times in the fight, but felt he definitely got through with the cleaner shots. Hatton did work hard as usual and did outwork as he normally does, but simply without the power and snap we are accustomed to seeing. I hate to say it but have to agree with Colazzo when he said he expects a guy to do better than that to take his title. I would have to agree. It now leaves unanswered questions about Hatton at 147. At 140 I think he is too strong a prospect but may have real difficulties with the bigger weight. I admire Ricky for moving up, fighting for a belt straight away and fighting in the states, but the man who really impressed me tonight was Luis Collazo, who was quick with his hands, courageous, gracious in defeat (considering the closeness) and a guy who can make giant steps in the welterweight division.

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Compubox never tells the story of a fight, it is very inaccurate in my opinion. Anyway, Hatton landed a lot in the opening rounds, but then Collazo started to figure him out.
If a fighter lands, lets say, 100 punches in the first 4 rounds compared to about 20 for the other guy... if, from that point on the fighter who landed 100 punches only lands 20 punches a round and the other guy lands about 25 a round, Compubox will show that the fighter who lost most of the rounds landed more, so it is never accurate enough if you are scoring a fight on the 10 point must system.
But still, it was the type of fight that would be hard to score on first viewing so I don't blame anyone who gave Hatton the nod.

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Accepted :)

Hatton lost the fight. He was almost out on his feet in the last round. He'd be destroyed by Mayweather Margarito Judah/ anybody at welterweight who can punch. Even Gatti would beat him. Last night's fight shortened his career greatly, as he now will never have an elite fight at welterweight again. He just can't do his thing with heavier guys. He's left with Corrales, Castillo and maybe Cotto if he doesn't move up. Ricky's bubble was well and truly burst last night. I'm English, have watched all his fights and been a fight fan for over 20 years now. As much as Ricky's fans may not want to admit it ( I'm one too ), his dreams of PFP greatness are over. I'll bet any money that Hatton never fights a genuine welter again.

I think it was judged pretty fair but there were 2 deciding factors
1) HBO's NEW contract with Hatton
2) Collazo's NEW contract with Don King

those balanced each other out and it was fairly judged and both fighters (collazo imparticular) will be more indemand. Hatton will fight guys more on his percieved level eventually winning over the US fan base and Collazo will fight the contenders and make a bigger name for himself.

If Hatton did eventually fight Gatti he will need to show mad respect to him because like De la Hoya vs JCC he'll be resented BIG TIME if he whips Gatti in Atlantic City!!!

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I scored the fight 115-112 for Collazo last night and I re-watched it this morning and still came up with the same scoring... if anything, re-watching the 12th round again, you could have scored that a 10-8 round for Collazo.
Sure Hatton was the aggressor, but watch the fight closely... he landed very little meaningful shots from around the 4th round onwards. Most of the punches he threw either missed or hit the gloves/arms of Collazo. If you are still going to be scoring rounds for fighters who are having their punches blocked, then you are not following the rules. Collazo was hitting Hatton with nice combos and generally being all round more effective, although I could see how some people might score certain rounds for Hatton on first viewing.

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I think 'compu whatever it's called' had Hatton landing more punches with a 35% success rate and Collazo 30% success rate with less punches thrown.

Although I thought it was a tough call and perhaps more likely a draw as per my first post:

Overconfident, overawed, outboxed, that's how I saw the fight in the early hours of the morning. I am a huge Hatton fan and hold a natural bias for the man from my home town. BUT This was without a shadow of a doubt the most difficult performance/matchup I have ever witnessed of Hatton's, and I have seen the majority of them. What certainly was apparent was that Hatton could not bully in the ring at the new weight. I dont use the term 'bully' in a derogotory term as that is his style and that is the style I like to see, but he couldn't do it this morning. I really didn't think the fact that Collazo was taller, would be the difficulty, Hatton has faced taller compition previously (such as the Maussa), but it did prove difficult. As correctly noted by Sky in their commentary, Hatton kept getting hit by the right hook from Colazzo, and that was when he could see! His left eye was so badly shut by the latter rounds that he was getting hit with alarming regularity. I had the fight tight. I did think Colazzo was shook several times in the fight, but felt he definitely got through with the cleaner shots. Hatton did work hard as usual and did outwork as he normally does, but simply without the power and snap we are accustomed to seeing. I hate to say it but have to agree with Colazzo when he said he expects a guy to do better than that to take his title. I would have to agree. It now leaves unanswered questions about Hatton at 147. At 140 I think he is too strong a prospect but may have real difficulties with the bigger weight. I admire Ricky for moving up, fighting for a belt straight away and fighting in the states, but the man who really impressed me tonight was Luis Collazo, who was quick with his hands, courageous, gracious in defeat (considering the closeness) and a guy who can make giant steps in the welterweight division.

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Compubox never tells the story of a fight, it is very inaccurate in my opinion. Anyway, Hatton landed a lot in the opening rounds, but then Collazo started to figure him out.
If a fighter lands, lets say, 100 punches in the first 4 rounds compared to about 20 for the other guy... if, from that point on the fighter who landed 100 punches only lands 20 punches a round and the other guy lands about 25 a round, Compubox will show that the fighter who lost most of the rounds landed more, so it is never accurate enough if you are scoring a fight on the 10 point must system.
But still, it was the type of fight that would be hard to score on first viewing so I don't blame anyone who gave Hatton the nod.

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Cool.
I was hoping you wouldn't take that the wrong way or as me being annoying, hehe. ;)
Welcome to the forum by the way. Have your third :coolclick: courtesy of Oggie.

Hatton won 114/113 IMO

I scored it Rounds 1 (10-8), 2, 4, 7, 9 and 11 to Hatton rounds 3, 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 to Collazo.

Rounds 3 and 8 could of gone either way.

Hatton took another step to proving he could become a great fighter. A skill that is going to be required is the ability to win a fight that was close, and not dominated by yourself.

It is a bit eye opener to Hatton fans, because even in the Tszyu fight, it was not this close. Well get use to it, because the same journey is almost certainly going to happen to Ricky when he hopefully steps into the ring with a Mayweather or de la Hoya...

But one think I have not read about so far, is what a superb performance by Collazo. The man gutted it out big time from a horrible start. Collazo may not of had the pedigree going into the fight, but he sure deserves another big fight down the line on this performance.

Perhaps Lil Floyd or Zab Zab may want to show Ricky where he went wrong... but then again perhaps not, no one is going to look good against Collazo if he carries on fighting like he did this morning! ;)

Hatton looked like a bum tbh, Collazo was robbed in my opinion, he through faster, cleaner more effective punches. Hattons punches were all glancing punches and were slidding off of collazo the whole night.

Hatton is the luckiest guy on earth because he didnt win that fight at all and didnt look like the Hatton i or anyone else knows, He looked like a random bum in the ring.

I thought the right man won. It was close, and I wouldn't have been irate if Collazo won or if it was a draw, but I did think Hatton just about edged it on the rounds, winning one or two more, and he had a knockdown going in his favour too.

Of course now Hattons in for it on the internet, but it was to be expected, if he won easily then people would be whining on about how he only fights no hopers and is scared to fight the real talent, as it was a close, hard fought fight people will say he's been overrated all along or he moved up in weight to soon. Hyperbole always overcomes the objective reaction that it was a hard fought match between two evenly matched guys, and one pulled out just a little extra to win.

Well said Larryboy

Dunno if any1 has seen it already..just a brief statement from ricky.http://www.fightbeat.com/

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Hatton won 114/113 IMO

I scored it Rounds 1 (10-8), 2, 4, 7, 9 and 11 to Hatton rounds 3, 5, 6, 8, 10 and 12 to Collazo.

Rounds 3 and 8 could of gone either way.

Hatton took another step to proving he could become a great fighter. A skill that is going to be required is the ability to win a fight that was close, and not dominated by yourself.

It is a bit eye opener to Hatton fans, because even in the Tszyu fight, it was not this close. Well get use to it, because the same journey is almost certainly going to happen to Ricky when he hopefully steps into the ring with a Mayweather or de la Hoya...

But one think I have not read about so far, is what a superb performance by Collazo. The man gutted it out big time from a horrible start. Collazo may not of had the pedigree going into the fight, but he sure deserves another big fight down the line on this performance.

Perhaps Lil Floyd or Zab Zab may want to show Ricky where he went wrong... but then again perhaps not, no one is going to look good against Collazo if he carries on fighting like he did this morning! ;)

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Good post and I mostly agree... Except for where you say Hatton adds to his greatness, because he won a fight that was close. I completely disagree there. Not because I couldn't see him getting the nod even though I scored it for Collazo, but because ONCE Hatton started losing, he didn't do what you say at all, he didn't turn things around and the fight got consistently worse for him as it progressed.. He didn't adapt whatsoever and because of it easily could have lost the fight.. As well if he hadn't scored a somewhat lucky knockdown early, he wouldn't have won.. So I don't see what you mean here, it's not like Hatton pulled it out of the bag although he was in danger of losing.. If anything he built an early lead and the just got beat up for the 2nd half of the fight. Big difference. THat's like saying Joe Mesi proved he could be great by winning a close fight against Vassily.

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Good post and I mostly agree... Except for where you say Hatton adds to his greatness, because he won a fight that was close. I completely disagree there. Not because I couldn't see him getting the nod even though I scored it for Collazo, but because ONCE Hatton started losing, he didn't do what you say at all, he didn't turn things around and the fight got consistently worse for him as it progressed.. He didn't adapt whatsoever and because of it easily could have lost the fight.. As well if he hadn't scored a somewhat lucky knockdown early, he wouldn't have won.. So I don't see what you mean here, it's not like Hatton pulled it out of the bag although he was in danger of losing.. If anything he built an early lead and the just got beat up for the 2nd half of the fight. Big difference. THat's like saying Joe Mesi proved he could be great by winning a close fight against Vassily.

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I am not saying it adds to his greatness, because Hatton is not great at the moment, indeed he is quite far from it.

But one day, if he does fulfill his potential, and is considered a great, people will look back at this fight, and see a not 100% Hatton fighting a tricky opponent, and being in serious trouble for the first time in his career. But they will also see that Hatton won.

A situation that happened to Roy Jones in his first fight against Montell Griffin, but the big difference to Hatton is Ricky has found a way to win unlike Roy, who was unable to control himself, and got himself DQ'd.

My point is, it could be a plank of evidence to show Hatton's Greatness in the fullness of time.

yes, i was pretty sure ricky had just nicked it when bell rang thanks to earlier rounds.

But I am bloody glad there wasn't another round to go as its highly likely he would have been stopped !

Collazo came out of the fight well - there could be a rematch

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i thought he was gonna get stopped in the the 12th he was out of there for a few seconds..... amazing how quickly his head cleared ;)

I fell asleep last night and woke up after the fight when they were waiting for judges scorecards >:mad (isn't the first time I have done this.....)


watched it at 9am this morning - wasn't worried in the 12th when he was wobbling ;)

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I fell asleep last night and woke up after the fight when they were waiting for judges scorecards >:mad (isn't the first time I have done this.....)


watched it at 9am this morning - wasn't worried in the 12th when he was wobbling ;)

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that sucks mate ;)

looks like this poll has reflected the scorcards 8)

Unfuckinbelievable!!! When I went to bed last night it was like 14 for Collazo, 5 for a draw and 4 for Hatton, which is about right. Now Hatton has like 30 fukin votes?! :o How can anyone think Hatton honestly won that fight? So much for having any honor or dignity, huh Hatton fans? ::** When your fighter loses, admit it. Same goes for Jermain Taylor fans. Some people ....

He Would have looked a lot better if he would have not gotten knocked around in the 12th.

It was a close fight. If you were to judge based on who threw the more effective, cleaner, dramatic looking punches then the fight would without a doubt go to Collazo.

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If you were to go with volume of punches landed and aggressiveness, then it was Hatton. Some of the rounds were tough to call.

Because of the Knockdown in the first by Hatton, and the flurry that Collazo dished out in the 12th I felt that this fight was a Draw.

I think that Hatton learned a lot from this fight. You could see him going through a range of emotion throughout the fight. In the fifth or sixth he looked puzzled and a bit uniinterested. By the 7th I think that he realized that only his smothering conisistent aggressive style could save him.

Credit to him for having a giant heart and excellent conditioning but dont know if Hatton should stay up at this weight.

Good points MT, I still see it as a Hatton UD but draw could have been an outcome I would have accepted. Collazo DIDN'T WIN that I know.

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Good points MT, I still see it as a Hatton UD but draw could have been an outcome I would have accepted. Collazo DIDN'T WIN that I know.

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Yep, Everytime Hatton came close, Callazo wanted to hold.

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Good points MT, I still see it as a Hatton UD but draw could have been an outcome I would have accepted. Collazo DIDN'T WIN that I know.

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;D ::** What fight were u watchin man? Hatton DIDN'T WIN that I know.

I was there and I thought Hatton lost. From where I was sitting it was hard to see which punches were clean shots. There was also a lot of wrestling and holding that made it difficult to score. I'm going to watch the fight later today and score it with the sound off and then see if my opinion changes. It was a fun night. The UK fans really make an event.

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Good points MT, I still see it as a Hatton UD but draw could have been an outcome I would have accepted. Collazo DIDN'T WIN that I know.

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Yep, Everytime Hatton came close, Callazo wanted to hold.

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Was it really collazo who wanted to hold or Ricky. Come on Collazo is the boxer hatton was the holder. Hatton started all the holding because that is the only way he can get anything done but collazo figured that out and said to himself when you try to hold me i'm a hold you. It was only fair. Ricky tries to hold in all his fights

Collazo won, to be the man you have to beat the man you can just hold all night and trow rabbit punches and win a fight. yes he did come forward all night but its not like Collazo was scared he fought him and outboxed him IMO. So Collazo victory or a draw at best for Hatton but NO he did not win.

I scored it round by round and didn't look at the card till the final bell.....I thought Callazo did enough to take it, but when I looked at the scorecard Hatton had it by 1! Hatton won the battle but lost the war.

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that 12th round could be 10-8 as well. Hatton was in a lot more trouble then Collazo. Hatton is sort of like a Welterweight Lamon Brewster with less power.

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Yeah...cept he has a belt now. >:mad

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If Hatton is a real champ he'll give Collazo a rematch :) But he didn't give Magee one so I wouldn't bet on it.

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Collazo is in loser land, the kid needs to get a belt so he has something to bring to the table, that won't be happening fast enough to get in touch with the fast rising star that is ricky Hatton.

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He brought alot more to the table then Hatton did.

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Good points MT, I still see it as a Hatton UD but draw could have been an outcome I would have accepted. Collazo DIDN'T WIN that I know.

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Yep, Everytime Hatton came close, Callazo wanted to hold.

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Was it really collazo who wanted to hold or Ricky. Come on Collazo is the boxer hatton was the holder. Hatton started all the holding because that is the only way he can get anything done but collazo figured that out and said to himself when you try to hold me i'm a hold you. It was only fair. Ricky tries to hold in all his fights

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The ref was s***, he was walking in to break them up before they even reached each other, there's nothing wrong with some inside fighting, just let them get on with it.....I didn't see either fighter trying to tie the other up without looking for a punch to land, the ref was a f****** joke and ruined the entire second half of the fight.

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Good points MT, I still see it as a Hatton UD but draw could have been an outcome I would have accepted. Collazo DIDN'T WIN that I know.

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Yep, Everytime Hatton came close, Callazo wanted to hold.

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yea i mean this the nicest way possible, try and see the fight clearly, Hatton was the one that would storm in with lunging punches and then hold, i thought that at the end of the 12th, that each fighter won 6 rounds, had Hatton winning only due to the knockdown in the first. Not such a huge impressive win, and made me think now even more, that both Mayweather and Cotto (especially if it takes place at welter, cause Cotto looks like if he can only get stronger at 147) would beat Hatton, PBF by UD, and Cotto by TKO

just edited your post for the adults on the board...

cant have this place looking like the other forums around the net... and wont ;)

Look at it again, and see how many times hatton tried or pushed Collazo's head down when they were tied up. You know that is not boxing and it wears ur opponents down. I still think Collazo won the (BOXING MATCH) which is what this was or am I wrong?

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just edited your post for the adults on the board...

cant have this place looking like the other forums around the net... and wont ;)

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alright sorry about that Saddo ;) i'll keep it clean ;D

from what iv'e seen over the years judges in america usually score on aggresion. and hatton was the aggressor. he won the fight for me as well by volume and intensity. he looked the boss and i gave it to him by 2. but it was close.

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Collazo won, to be the man you have to beat the man you can just hold all night and trow rabbit punches and win a fight. yes he did come forward all night but its not like Collazo was scared he fought him and outboxed him IMO. So Collazo victory or a draw at best for Hatton but NO he did not win.

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Precisely. Collazo won the fight for sure. Hatton was the one holding, pullin his head down and tryin to hit him in th kidneys. The kids a punk. CC for breakin it down man. O0

look at the punch stats

Hatton threw more, landed more, had better success rate, landed a lot more power punches, worked harder, was more aggressive. forget the eye catchin combinations cos they don't win you fights. Take your 'i hate the hitman' glasses off and watch the fight again...scoring it round by round.

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Collazo won, to be the man you have to beat the man you can just hold all night and trow rabbit punches and win a fight. yes he did come forward all night but its not like Collazo was scared he fought him and outboxed him IMO. So Collazo victory or a draw at best for Hatton but NO he did not win.

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Precisely. Collazo won the fight for sure. Hatton was the one holding, pullin his head down and tryin to hit him in th kidneys. The kids a punk. CC for breakin it down man. O0

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If you watch that fight objectively and score each round individualy and still think Collazo clearly won, you need to have a word with yourself ;)

Definately I think that Collazo is the winner, but for some odd reason judges gave it to Hatton. Collazo was more tactical and sure in his punches. I am dissapointed.

Who knows how much money Hatton won in that fight against Collazo?

i rewatched the fight and scored it yesterday, and i had it 114-113 collazzo