I was wrong!! Hatton is all wrong for 147!!

Hatton deserves a shot at a big payday...in my opinion he needs to fight a crowd pleasing fight in the US to really draw out the fans for him.

I just have to say this though....Collazo has one UGLY grill, jesus ever hear of Braces dude??

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Hatton deserves a shot at a big payday...in my opinion he needs to fight a crowd pleasing fight in the US to really draw out the fans for him.

I just have to say this though....Collazo has one UGLY grill, jesus ever hear of Braces dude??

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Have you ever even looked at hattons face? No collazo deserves a big payday.

Hatton's FACE is one thing but Collazo's TEETH are beyond fucked up!!

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Collazo was not impressive. Hatton had a bad night and the ref made sure everytime Hatton got in close he pushed him back.

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So the ref was supposed to let hatton hold all phucking night?

Speaking of just deserts, an immediate rematch for Callazo should be considered.

Gives Hatton a chance to beat him with less doubt attached.

Or gives Callazo the opportunity to turn it around.

Any possibility?

I think Ricky got a little exposed as a 147 lb fighter last night. I think he was exposed as not being this super human Mayweather beater that he has been hyped up to be for a while.

Collazo is a big guy and he looked very good. The guy he won the title from has now gone on to become a world champ at light middle weight so that tells you Collazo is no joke.

I'm not sure Ricky would fare very well against some of the bigger guys in this division. Margarito and Cintron for example look so much bigger than Ricky I'd doubt he would have the physical advantage that his style of fighting needs against these guys.

Personally I think Ricky would be better of going back down to 140 and challenging the winner of Castillo Coralles. Cotto is still down there for now as well so no real need to be at 147 lb.

Hatton will not beat Mayweather, none of the current bunch will. Floyd won't lose until he fights Joel Julio in 2008 at 154.

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I think Ricky got a little exposed as a 147 lb fighter last night. I think he was exposed as not being this super human Mayweather beater that he has been hyped up to be for a while.

Collazo is a big guy and he looked very good. The guy he won the title from has now gone on to become a world champ at light middle weight so that tells you Collazo is no joke.

I'm not sure Ricky would fare very well against some of the bigger guys in this division. Margarito and Cintron for example look so much bigger than Ricky I'd doubt he would have the physical advantage that his style of fighting needs against these guys.

Personally I think Ricky would be better of going back down to 140 and challenging the winner of Castillo Coralles. Cotto is still down there for now as well so no real need to be at 147 lb.

Hatton will not beat Mayweather, none of the current bunch will. Floyd won't lose until he fights Joel Julio in 2008 at 154.

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you must be a mind reader. just been reading today that hatton fancies taking on the winner of castillo v corrales. cool click

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he didnt look his usual self cuz he couldnt hold and hit like he wanted to and couldnt use his dirt tactics like he does in the UK...sorry Brits...but UK refs are bias

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I think Ricky got a little exposed as a 147 lb fighter last night. I think he was exposed as not being this super human Mayweather beater that he has been hyped up to be for a while.

Collazo is a big guy and he looked very good. The guy he won the title from has now gone on to become a world champ at light middle weight so that tells you Collazo is no joke.

I'm not sure Ricky would fare very well against some of the bigger guys in this division. Margarito and Cintron for example look so much bigger than Ricky I'd doubt he would have the physical advantage that his style of fighting needs against these guys.

Personally I think Ricky would be better of going back down to 140 and challenging the winner of Castillo Coralles. Cotto is still down there for now as well so no real need to be at 147 lb.

Hatton will not beat Mayweather, none of the current bunch will. Floyd won't lose until he fights Joel Julio in 2008 at 154.

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CC even then I think Castillo would be a war Corrales I'm not sure of his suspect chin
but castillo and hatton would be a good matchup

Diego does have a suspect chin but look how many he took in the first fight with JLC before he went down! Secondly,he is possibly number 1 P4P hardest hittter in the game right now and he has the power to KO anyone from 140,maybe even 147 down! I mean everyone but then again,it is just as likely he will go down! You have to love the guy! JLC hATTON would just be a war,neither taking a backwards step,I would favour Hatton because of his workrate but it would be sooo close!

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bollocks mrmanick. did you watch the fight? collazo looked really good and probably supprised S*** loads of people including me. he would have given anyone problems and wouldnt have been disposed of by mayweather. collazo wasnt as S*** last night as your making out.

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Oh no collazo looked good last night. But don't front. Everyone knew he picked him cause he thought he would walk through him. Thats what his fans thought and thats what most writers thought too. This was suppose to be an easy belt and it should have.Collazo is good but he was a paper champ.Thats the facts. After this fight i think collazo is alot better than people thought and that hatton is not as good as people thought.Fan or not thats what that fight showed. I can admit he got the win but can u admit he looked bad doing it? And by the way pbf would have a field day with collazo. Hes too good a boxer.His defense is too good. That was hatton problem. If he would of atual boxed more he might have looked better.

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He wasn't picked because he thought he could walk through him.

His trainer Billy Graham and his promter Dennis Hobson did not want to go near the fight and admitted as much in interviews on Sky Sports last night. THey were terrified that Collazo's style could ultimately cause serious problems for Ricky (which they admittedly did)

They did not want Ricky to fight Collazo because they know that that particular style causes problems for Ricky. The southpaws right hook is one that Ricky always get tagged with (Eamon Magee). Billy Graham said that Ricky insisted on the fight because it was a genuine belt at a new level. It was the only decent fight left out there at Welterweight.

The facts are that he is now a two weight world champion who I think should consider going back down to 140 and clearing out the division.

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:coolclick: Good arguement guys, but grayggr here makes the most sense by far.

Collazo was underestimated, I knew nothing about him and on top of him being underated his style was awful for Ricky, he wont have many more difficult fights than that for a while. I GUARANTEE THAT. Billy Graham will go back and say, look you, you listen to me from now on with who we fight. Ricky respects the man and will probably agree. I had the fight as a draw (anyone who was watching on Sky, I had it the same as Jim Watt but tied the 4th round) and was panicking when the decision came.

Ultimately, EVERY great fighter struggles with an underated fighter at some point in their career, Ricky will be fine.

And to all the Ricky haters, you occasionally have points, but its so obvious most of you are judgin the Hitman on his last three fights only. Dont dismiss all his prior fights as bum fights and go have a look at them, you'll see what us Brits who have followed him since day one mean with all our praise for him and how we fell in love with his style.

Still, mostly good points in the thread guys..

Hatton is only 5'6". Henry Armstrong was probably the only fighter that short to have great sucess at Welterweight but he had a completely different style than Hatton. I think Hatton is going to have problems with guys at welter with good reach. Margarito imo would embarass him.

Sorry to agree with a lot of you but I feel that Hatton's problem lies in his style. He has to be able to hold on. If not he would have tremendous problems at any weight against a slugger/boxer. Someone who can move and hurt him. I believe that the reason the ref was interacting as much as he did, was that true boxing could be witnessed, not a bar room brawl. The Hatton/ ZU fight was the primary reason they are watching him. ZU's right arm was held almost the entire fight, got kinda boring and frustrating to watch. Don't get me wrong I think that hatton is a good fighter, but I think that he needs to work on his foot work and boxing skills

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bollocks mrmanick. did you watch the fight? collazo looked really good and probably supprised S*** loads of people including me. he would have given anyone problems and wouldnt have been disposed of by mayweather. collazo wasnt as S*** last night as your making out.

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Oh no collazo looked good last night. But don't front. Everyone knew he picked him cause he thought he would walk through him. Thats what his fans thought and thats what most writers thought too. This was suppose to be an easy belt and it should have.Collazo is good but he was a paper champ.Thats the facts. After this fight i think collazo is alot better than people thought and that hatton is not as good as people thought.Fan or not thats what that fight showed. I can admit he got the win but can u admit he looked bad doing it? And by the way pbf would have a field day with collazo. Hes too good a boxer.His defense is too good. That was hatton problem. If he would of atual boxed more he might have looked better.

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He wasn't picked because he thought he could walk through him.

His trainer Billy Graham and his promter Dennis Hobson did not want to go near the fight and admitted as much in interviews on Sky Sports last night. THey were terrified that Collazo's style could ultimately cause serious problems for Ricky (which they admittedly did)

They did not want Ricky to fight Collazo because they know that that particular style causes problems for Ricky. The southpaws right hook is one that Ricky always get tagged with (Eamon Magee). Billy Graham said that Ricky insisted on the fight because it was a genuine belt at a new level. It was the only decent fight left out there at Welterweight.

The facts are that he is now a two weight world champion who I think should consider going back down to 140 and clearing out the division.

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:coolclick: Good arguement guys, but grayggr here makes the most sense by far.

Collazo was underestimated, I knew nothing about him and on top of him being underated his style was awful for Ricky, he wont have many more difficult fights than that for a while. I GUARANTEE THAT. Billy Graham will go back and say, look you, you listen to me from now on with who we fight. Ricky respects the man and will probably agree. I had the fight as a draw (anyone who was watching on Sky, I had it the same as Jim Watt but tied the 4th round) and was panicking when the decision came.

Ultimately, EVERY great fighter struggles with an underated fighter at some point in their career, Ricky will be fine.

And to all the Ricky haters, you occasionally have points, but its so obvious most of you are judgin the Hitman on his last three fights only. Dont dismiss all his prior fights as bum fights and go have a look at them, you'll see what us Brits who have followed him since day one mean with all our praise for him and how we fell in love with his style.

Still, mostly good points in the thread guys..

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Well first off I saw your prediction and you were way off so I don't know how much stock I can put in your opinion. How can you say we're only judging him off his last 3 fights? Have you every heard the sayin your only as good as your last fight.Well we've seen 3 so what would you said if he looked bad in his next fight;Your only judging him on his last 4 fights. Come on that is lame. I have seen about 12 hatton fights and he showed the same flaws in those fights that he did in this one. The only difference is that everyone got to see it.And as far as his past opponents they were mostly lower caliber fighters. That was the big knock on him before tszyu and by fighting maussa and almost gettin koed by collazo hes proving them right.

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bollocks mrmanick. did you watch the fight? collazo looked really good and probably supprised S*** loads of people including me. he would have given anyone problems and wouldnt have been disposed of by mayweather. collazo wasnt as S*** last night as your making out.

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Oh no collazo looked good last night. But don't front. Everyone knew he picked him cause he thought he would walk through him. Thats what his fans thought and thats what most writers thought too. This was suppose to be an easy belt and it should have.Collazo is good but he was a paper champ.Thats the facts. After this fight i think collazo is alot better than people thought and that hatton is not as good as people thought.Fan or not thats what that fight showed. I can admit he got the win but can u admit he looked bad doing it? And by the way pbf would have a field day with collazo. Hes too good a boxer.His defense is too good. That was hatton problem. If he would of atual boxed more he might have looked better.

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He wasn't picked because he thought he could walk through him.

His trainer Billy Graham and his promter Dennis Hobson did not want to go near the fight and admitted as much in interviews on Sky Sports last night. THey were terrified that Collazo's style could ultimately cause serious problems for Ricky (which they admittedly did)

They did not want Ricky to fight Collazo because they know that that particular style causes problems for Ricky. The southpaws right hook is one that Ricky always get tagged with (Eamon Magee). Billy Graham said that Ricky insisted on the fight because it was a genuine belt at a new level. It was the only decent fight left out there at Welterweight.

The facts are that he is now a two weight world champion who I think should consider going back down to 140 and clearing out the division.

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:coolclick: Good arguement guys, but grayggr here makes the most sense by far.

Collazo was underestimated, I knew nothing about him and on top of him being underated his style was awful for Ricky, he wont have many more difficult fights than that for a while. I GUARANTEE THAT. Billy Graham will go back and say, look you, you listen to me from now on with who we fight. Ricky respects the man and will probably agree. I had the fight as a draw (anyone who was watching on Sky, I had it the same as Jim Watt but tied the 4th round) and was panicking when the decision came.

Ultimately, EVERY great fighter struggles with an underated fighter at some point in their career, Ricky will be fine.

And to all the Ricky haters, you occasionally have points, but its so obvious most of you are judgin the Hitman on his last three fights only. Dont dismiss all his prior fights as bum fights and go have a look at them, you'll see what us Brits who have followed him since day one mean with all our praise for him and how we fell in love with his style.

Still, mostly good points in the thread guys..

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Well first off I saw your prediction and you were way off so I don't know how much stock I can put in your opinion. How can you say we're only judging him off his last 3 fights? Have you every heard the sayin your only as good as your last fight.Well we've seen 3 so what would you said if he looked bad in his next fight;Your only judging him on his last 4 fights. Come on that is lame. I have seen about 12 hatton fights and he showed the same flaws in those fights that he did in this one. The only difference is that everyone got to see it.And as far as his past opponents they were mostly lower caliber fighters. That was the big knock on him before tszyu and by fighting maussa and almost gettin koed by collazo hes proving them right.

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I was well off with my prediction, so was nearly everyone though. Noone gets everything right and that doesnt mean they know nothing. I massively underated Collazo, he is a quality fighter and should be a contender for a few years unless he does something stupid and gets too fired up and goes after Margarito, who would destroy him.

Judging a fighter by his last fight doesnt work but I do see where your coming from. The problem with that is, if you look at the last fight all you know now is Hatton isnt polished at welterweight and struggles massively with southpaws no matter what Ricky may see. The Kostya fight showed us Rickys heart and workrate, Mausa showed nothing, Mausa is piss poor. I was making a sweeping generalisation rather than specifcally talking bout you and if youve watched Rickys fights and made a balanced opinion from that then great, we aint got to agree.

Ricky is a good fighter but you guys have to agree usually when you move up in weight you fight an easy fight. Hatton skipped that process.

Hatton might have been looked at like some sort of super fighter, Collazo, the title holder at that weight class WAS SURELY underrated before the fight by everyone.

The only thing that made Hatton look bad in my opinion was that he didn't work enough when he had Luis tied up! It was like an Old Tyson he hung on and didn't let his hands go enough...that's his bread and butter!

Being 5'6 doesn't matter, Hatton has the frame to carry the weight.

I think Luis surprised everyone...he took those body shots pretty well

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Ricky is a good fighter but you guys have to agree usually when you move up in weight you fight an easy fight. Hatton skipped that process.

Hatton might have been looked at like some sort of super fighter, Collazo, the title holder at that weight class WAS SURELY underrated before the fight by everyone.

The only thing that made Hatton look bad in my opinion was that he didn't work enough when he had Luis tied up! It was like an Old Tyson he hung on and didn't let his hands go enough...that's his bread and butter!

Being 5'6 doesn't matter, Hatton has the frame to carry the weight.

I think Luis surprised everyone...he took those body shots pretty well

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Yup, yup, yup and yup.

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Hatton looked good through 3 and then the ref started actin stupid...

So what they are holding, let them try to work out of it.......dont stop the action everydamn time they get close to eachother...

American girlish REferees will be the downfall of Hatton...NOT mayweather..

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Hatton looked good through 3 and then the ref started actin stupid...

So what they are holding, let them try to work out of it.......dont stop the action everydamn time they get close to eachother...

American girlish REferees will be the downfall of Hatton...NOT mayweather..

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Dry up and stop making excuses for your boy!!! what your saying is if he cant maul and grab and cheapshot inside than he wont be successful???? Man do I agree with that.

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Hatton looked good through 3 and then the ref started actin stupid...

So what they are holding, let them try to work out of it.......dont stop the action everydamn time they get close to eachother...

American girlish REferees will be the downfall of Hatton...NOT mayweather..

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The reason the ref broke up the clinches is because Hatton didn't work like he usually does which meant the clinches were just wasting time for the fighters and the fans.

Hatton is a 147 pound Tyson with the body work he does and if someone ties up his hands on the inside it ain't like he can step out and use his reach you know

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Hatton looked good through 3 and then the ref started actin stupid...

So what they are holding, let them try to work out of it.......dont stop the action everydamn time they get close to eachother...

American girlish REferees will be the downfall of Hatton...NOT mayweather..

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Why don't you watch the fight again...there several times in the fight when Collazo put his arms out to his side the show everyone that Hatton was holding the shit out of him and wasn't punching...even whith collazo's arm spread wide hatton didn't even throw which mean he got hurt during some of those inside exchanges and was hesitant to do what he wants to do...hold and hit...but he got hit so he just wanted to hold instead...all that being said i still thought he won 115-113 with the knockdown 115-112

Now when Collazo held his arms out, I was just hoping for a body combination. What a bastard. When I fight the ref is never a person you look to for help. If you're in with a bully you bully them right back, instead Luis just sort of sat there, didn't push off, didn't try to sling Hatton off of him, just sat there.

I mean that's just the way I like fighting though...I found it annoying how Luis looked for help from the ref, if he had ever seen tape of Ricky he would know to expect that and should be better prepared for it. Besides Ricky got on the inside somehow, Luis let him hold him and sometimes instigated the clinches himself

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Now when Collazo held his arms out, I was just hoping for a body combination. What a B******. When I fight the ref is never a person you look to for help. If you're in with a bully you bully them right back, instead Luis just sort of sat there, didn't push off, didn't try to sling Hatton off of him, just sat there.

I mean that's just the way I like fighting though...I found it annoying how Luis looked for help from the ref, if he had ever seen tape of Ricky he would know to expect that and should be better prepared for it. Besides Ricky got on the inside somehow, Luis let him hold him and sometimes instigated the clinches himself

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Just because you know a guy is gonna do it ahead of time still doesn't make him right for doing it.Theres no way to really justify holding and clinching unless your-a) hurt and need to hold on to survive or b) your afraid of your opponents power. I fight just like you and I never have agreed with alot of holding. It shows a lack of skill and confidence. If you can't beat me straight up then what does that say about you.

Holding is a strategy used for more than being hurt or tired. Fighters with shorter or longer reach can use it to smother the other fighter's offense. Also it can open up the body and head for punches AFTER the break (break caused by the fighters not the ref, because THAT is illegal).

Had Ricky broke those clinches and flurried then clinched again it would have been a FAAAAR easier fight for him. That's what he usually does anyways.

Holding is not a lack of anything...Ali held did he lack skill or confidence. Oh damn I forgot no one brings up anything bad about Ali, EVER, because he was sooooo great we are just in awe, he didn't even have to step in the ring to beat someone :beat:

i was never in awe of ali...i thinnk too many people bought into his catch phrase "Im the greatest" when in actuality he was just one of the best in his era...

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Holding is a strategy used for more than being hurt or tired. Fighters with shorter or longer reach can use it to smother the other fighter's offense. Also it can open up the body and head for punches AFTER the break (break caused by the fighters not the ref, because THAT is illegal).

Had Ricky broke those clinches and flurried then clinched again it would have been a FAAAAR easier fight for him. That's what he usually does anyways.

Holding is not a lack of anything...Ali held did he lack skill or confidence. Oh damn I forgot no one brings up anything bad about Ali, EVER, because he was sooooo great we are just in awe, he didn't even have to step in the ring to beat someone :beat:

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If thats your way of winning then fine but you'll never get me to its right .By the way holding is technical illegal but its done by so many that it has become tolerated.Were talkin about hatton not ali so please don't try to compare a proven legend to hatton. Its offensive. Well ruiz holds alot too so you must think hes great too.

See "Don't compare Hatton to Ali"...Ali did TONS of illegal shit, but we never hear anyone complain about it, why?

Ali's the greatest, his shit smells like roses and he's muslim too, oh that is sooo cool!

Holding is illegal the way Henry Akinwade does it, holding as well as pushing as well as holding and hitting VARY from ref to ref. Lennox Lewis held and hit, Ali held and hit, Hopkins pushed off with his shoulder, Evander used his headbutt, Ruiz holds and hits, and on and on and on and guess what those guys USUALLY won, is it illegal, yes and no. If the ref doesn't do anything about it then it ain't illegal now is it?

It comes down to the ref and that my friend is the bottom line!

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See "Don't compare Hatton to Ali"...Ali did TONS of illegal S***, but we never hear anyone complain about it, why?

Ali's the greatest, his S*** smells like roses and he's muslim too, oh that is sooo cool!

Holding is illegal the way Henry Akinwade does it, holding as well as pushing as well as holding and hitting VARY from ref to ref. Lennox Lewis held and hit, Ali held and hit, Hopkins pushed off with his shoulder, Evander used his headbutt, Ruiz holds and hits, and on and on and on and guess what those guys USUALLY won, is it illegal, yes and no. If the ref doesn't do anything about it then it ain't illegal now is it?

It comes down to the ref and that my friend is the bottom line!

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So if the ref don't see it then it ain't illegal. I bet you think that if a tree feel in the woods and no one was around to hear it that it didn't make a sound too don't you. Thats weak.Once again we talkin about hatton not ali. And ali wasn't a dirty guy in the ring. Far from it. His personal life is his business. But he wasn't dirty in the ring. When he won it was straight up and when he lost it was straight up. Like i said don't compare the 2 because as a boxer ricky would hope to be half as good as ali was.

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See "Don't compare Hatton to Ali"...Ali did TONS of illegal shit, but we never hear anyone complain about it, why?

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See "Don't compare Hatton to Ali"...Ali did TONS of illegal shit, but we never hear anyone complain about it, why?

Ali's the greatest, his shit smells like roses and he's muslim too, oh that is sooo cool!

Holding is illegal the way Henry Akinwade does it, holding as well as pushing as well as holding and hitting VARY from ref to ref. Lennox Lewis held and hit, Ali held and hit, Hopkins pushed off with his shoulder, Evander used his headbutt, Ruiz holds and hits, and on and on and on and guess what those guys USUALLY won, is it illegal, yes and no. If the ref doesn't do anything about it then it ain't illegal now is it?

It comes down to the ref and that my friend is the bottom line!

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What has him being Muslim got to do with anything fool?

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See "Don't compare Hatton to Ali"...Ali did TONS of illegal shit, but we never hear anyone complain about it, why?

Ali's the greatest, his shit smells like roses and he's muslim too, oh that is sooo cool!

Holding is illegal the way Henry Akinwade does it, holding as well as pushing as well as holding and hitting VARY from ref to ref. Lennox Lewis held and hit, Ali held and hit, Hopkins pushed off with his shoulder, Evander used his headbutt, Ruiz holds and hits, and on and on and on and guess what those guys USUALLY won, is it illegal, yes and no. If the ref doesn't do anything about it then it ain't illegal now is it?

It comes down to the ref and that my friend is the bottom line!

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What has him being Muslim got to do with anything fool?

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Yeah, was agreeing with you earlier Lyle but whats that about? Maybe try and stick to Hatton...

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You know damn well what he did Starr, why is everyone so fuckin ignorant about this shit. Holding and hitting, hooking the back of the head and hitting, backhanding the jab, Dundee cutting Ali's glove vs Cooper, the ropes in Zaire, keeping his left arm extended and on Joe Frazier for prolonged periods of time.

Ali did PLENTY of illegal stuff but he's the greatest and no one ever questions it....honestly he's the most boring boxer until John Ruiz laced up the gloves...and YES it was PAINFUL watching him fight after the Liston rematch, soooo boring