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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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I haven't seen the fight yet, but have Some of you ever heard the expression "A bad day at the office" ???
So he didn't look great in THIS fight, but he is 41-0 hardly lost a round in most of his fights & dethroned a legend less than a year ago!!
Don't judge the guy on 36 minutes of his career FFS!!!
Then how can you even make a comment. I can see whatever opinion you give will be bias. There have been just as many people on this site who have said he looked bad as there are who said he had a bad day and you choose to make that comment without even seeing the fight. Why couldn't he had just LOOKED BAD. Watch the fight first.
A fighter doesn't become a bad fighter overnight!!! I was commenting on his previous 40 fights of which I have seen most - so whatever he looked like in this fight is irrelevant in the context of what I said!!
He could've got bashed up for every second of every round it still would not make me forget his previous fights.
Never said he became bad just said he looked bad. I too am looking at his previous 40 fights where he fought D,C,and C+ in his first 38 fights(remember that was the big if about hatton)then beat an A fighter in tszyu just to good back to C level fighters in Maussa and Collazo. Trust this ain't about just one fight.
Maussa and Collazo were World Champions, regardless of what you think of them!
Hatton has won 3 world titles in less than a year - deserves a bit more credit imo.
Maussa was just as much a paper champ as gatti was at 140 cause he beat a paper champ in harris. Collazo wasn't even a paper champ being that he got a belt that at the time wasn't even vacant(remember judah was undiputed at the time) and Collazo beat a paper champ in rivera to get that belt. Stop with the lame excuses. you know those belts don't mean anything just likes floyds ww and light ww don't mean anything besides the fact he beat better fighters to get them. Neither one of thes guys are world class and you know it.
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Where are u Big H? ;)
Oh I'm right here young un - dont worry ;)
I think he has taken the right route so far in talking the fights with Maussa and getiing 2 more belts, yes we all no the limitations of Maussa and as I've said I haven't seen Collazo yet so can't comment.
I aint biased about Ricky Hatton, I've always stated that I don't think he would PBF!!
When you look at what happened to Lacy, you have to think that Hatton is sensible in taking his time, the way MAB and JC Chavez did, at the end of the day he is a 3 time world champ (whatever anybody says) and his stock is pretty high right now! Better than than fighting PBF or Cotto ( his 2 main threats imo) before he was ready. Peronally I don't think he will ever be ready for PBF, but let's be honest who wiill??
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Maussa was just as much a paper champ as gatti was at 140 cause he beat a paper champ in harris. Collazo wasn't even a paper champ being that he got a belt that at the time wasn't even vacant(remember judah was undiputed at the time) and Collazo beat a paper champ in rivera to get that belt. Stop with the lame excuses. you know those belts don't mean anything just likes floyds ww and light ww don't mean anything besides the fact he beat better fighters to get them. Neither one of thes guys are world class and you know it.
I disagree.
Maussa was way more of a paper champ than Gatti...not that that's saying much.
Paper champ or not...Collazo gave Hatton his tuffest fight of his career...& no offense to my fellow mod Big H or the Hatton fans on this board...that wasn't just a tuff night at the office.
Collazo has what it takes IWO based on that performance alone. He took the best of what Hatton had & he worked with him down to the last bell.
Hatton said after the fight that he was on point & that all was right.
Everyone's making excuses for Hatton that Hatton refused to even make.
IWO, just after the last round when the fighters give their interviews is generally the best time to get the actual results of the fight. It's not in the fans hands or under some writers pen point or finger tip...it's straight from the horsey's mouf!
Hatton credited Collazo & so should we all. Both men fought to the best of their abilities...that much can be said...whether you are for the decision or against it...well...that's just a moot fwockin point in itself.
Collazo no longer retains his title & Hatton is now free to do with it what he will.
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
And if we're talking about opposition ,who at 140 or 147 has a bigger name than KT on their record
Henrey Brussels (who??)
Gatti - something like 10-5 for his previous 15 fights prior to PBF
Mitchell - Coming off a loss - to guess who Kosta Tszyu
Judah - Coming off a loss and already lost 3
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Where are u Big H? ;)
Oh I'm right here young un - dont worry ;)
I think he has taken the right route so far in talking the fights with Maussa and getiing 2 more belts, yes we all no the limitations of Maussa and as I've said I haven't seen Collazo yet so can't comment.
I aint biased about Ricky Hatton, I've always stated that I don't think he would PBF!!
When you look at what happened to Lacy, you have to think that Hatton is sensible in taking his time, the way MAB and JC Chavez did, at the end of the day he is a 3 time world champ (whatever anybody says) and his stock is pretty high right now! Better than than fighting PBF or Cotto ( his 2 main threats imo) before he was ready. Peronally I don't think he will ever be ready for PBF, but let's be honest who wiill??
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by BIG H
And if we're talking about opposition ,who at 140 or 147 has a bigger name than KT on their record
Henrey Brussels (who??)
Gatti - something like 10-5 for his previous 15 fights prior to PBF
Mitchell - Coming off a loss - to guess who Kosta Tszyu
Judah - Coming off a loss and already lost 3
But aren't we talking about Collazo not Tszyu. That victory is not in question is it.I think all three of those guys are better than collazo.
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I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
Just out of curiousity Manick...where does this arguement end?
I mean...your'e a fan of some fighter, correct?
I gotta say that you would defend your man to the end, right?
What's done is done...we may not all buy it...but just because the outcome & the performance was what Hatton promised...just because it wasn't what we expected...that doesn't mean that the kid doesn't have skills...nor does it mean that he doesn't deserve a second chance.
Can we atleast all agree on that?
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But aren't we talking about Collazo not Tszyu. That victory is not in question is it.I think all three of those guys are better than collazo.
I gotta disagree with you on one thing...Judah aint better than Collazo...atleast he sure as shat wasn't last night.
Look at it like this. Hatton meets his hype...he did it when he destroyed Kostya.
Judah has NEVER met his hype.
NEVER...so don't anyone say Corey fwockin Spinks.
Collazo was a more sound fighter all the way around based on any performance that Judah has had with any upper level opponents. He was focused & he got up from a knockdown to work out the end of the stretch...which I do think that he won.
Kostya & Mitchell are far superior fighters than both Collazo, IWO...but that was a while ago.
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At 5'6 who expects Ricky to be at his best fighting true welterweights?
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Where are u Big H? ;)
Oh I'm right here young un - dont worry ;)
I think he has taken the right route so far in talking the fights with Maussa and getiing 2 more belts, yes we all no the limitations of Maussa and as I've said I haven't seen Collazo yet so can't comment.
I aint biased about Ricky Hatton, I've always stated that I don't think he would PBF!!
When you look at what happened to Lacy, you have to think that Hatton is sensible in taking his time, the way MAB and JC Chavez did, at the end of the day he is a 3 time world champ (whatever anybody says) and his stock is pretty high right now! Better than than fighting PBF or Cotto ( his 2 main threats imo) before he was ready. Peronally I don't think he will ever be ready for PBF, but let's be honest who wiill??
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
I didn't make any direct comment about the Collazo performance, all I said was every fighter has a bad day at the office, he's had 40 good ones prior to that. Look at Holyfiled in the 1st Moorer fight - it was a bad day at the office and he then went on to beat Tyson and avenge Moorer. All I was saying is figters have bad days like anybody else and regardless of the Collazo fight I think Hatton has proved a lot already and I am sure he will bounce back from WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD was a lacklustre performance.
I will be downloading it later so I can see for myself
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
Just out of curiousity Manick...where does this arguement end?
I mean...your'e a fan of some fighter, correct?
I gotta say that you would defend your man to the end, right?
What's done is done...we may not all buy it...but just because the outcome & the performance was what Hatton promised...just because it wasn't what we expected...that doesn't mean that the kid doesn't have skills...nor does it mean that he doesn't deserve a second chance.
Can we atleast all agree on that?
When my fighter does good I expect him to be praised and when he does bad I expect him to be questioned.What I don't like about alot of hatton fans is that they feel he can't be questioned when he looks bad. But at the end of the day i could care less about any boxer because none of them sit around and talk about us.
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But aren't we talking about Collazo not Tszyu. That victory is not in question is it.I think all three of those guys are better than collazo.
I gotta disagree with you on one thing...Judah aint better than Collazo...atleast he sure as shat wasn't last night.
Look at it like this. Hatton meets his hype...he did it when he destroyed Kostya.
Judah has NEVER met his hype.
NEVER...so don't anyone say Corey fwockin Spinks.
Collazo was a more sound fighter all the way around based on any performance that Judah has had with any upper level opponents. He was focused & he got up from a knockdown to work out the end of the stretch...which I do think that he won.
Kostya & Mitchell are far superior fighters than both Collazo, IWO...but that was a while ago.
I think collazo may be better now but the question is did you think that before this fight. I knew he was ok. I picked him to win.
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Where are u Big H? ;)
Oh I'm right here young un - dont worry ;)
I think he has taken the right route so far in talking the fights with Maussa and getiing 2 more belts, yes we all no the limitations of Maussa and as I've said I haven't seen Collazo yet so can't comment.
I aint biased about Ricky Hatton, I've always stated that I don't think he would PBF!!
When you look at what happened to Lacy, you have to think that Hatton is sensible in taking his time, the way MAB and JC Chavez did, at the end of the day he is a 3 time world champ (whatever anybody says) and his stock is pretty high right now! Better than than fighting PBF or Cotto ( his 2 main threats imo) before he was ready. Peronally I don't think he will ever be ready for PBF, but let's be honest who wiill??
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
I didn't make any direct comment about the Collazo performance, all I said was every fighter has a bad day at the office, he's had 40 good ones prior to that. Look at Holyfiled in the 1st Moorer fight - it was a bad day at the office and he then went on to beat Tyson and avenge Moorer. All I was saying is figters have bad days like anybody else and regardless of the Collazo fight I think Hatton has proved a lot already and I am sure he will bounce back from WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD was a lacklustre performance.
I will be downloading it later so I can see for myself
That would be best
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Where can the fight be downloaded?
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Originally Posted by Weebels
Where can the fight be downloaded?
None of the downloads on here work for me - but check for yourself on the File sharing Board ;)
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
Just out of curiousity Manick...where does this arguement end?
I mean...your'e a fan of some fighter, correct?
I gotta say that you would defend your man to the end, right?
What's done is done...we may not all buy it...but just because the outcome & the performance was what Hatton promised...just because it wasn't what we expected...that doesn't mean that the kid doesn't have skills...nor does it mean that he doesn't deserve a second chance.
Can we atleast all agree on that?
When my fighter does good I expect him to be praised and when he does bad I expect him to be questioned.What I don't like about alot of hatton fans is that they feel he can't be questioned when he looks bad. But at the end of the day i could care less about any boxer because none of them sit around and talk about us.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
But aren't we talking about Collazo not Tszyu. That victory is not in question is it.I think all three of those guys are better than collazo.
I gotta disagree with you on one thing...Judah aint better than Collazo...atleast he sure as shat wasn't last night.
Look at it like this. Hatton meets his hype...he did it when he destroyed Kostya.
Judah has NEVER met his hype.
NEVER...so don't anyone say Corey fwockin Spinks.
Collazo was a more sound fighter all the way around based on any performance that Judah has had with any upper level opponents. He was focused & he got up from a knockdown to work out the end of the stretch...which I do think that he won.
Kostya & Mitchell are far superior fighters than both Collazo, IWO...but that was a while ago.
I think collazo may be better now but the question is did you think that before this fight. I knew he was ok. I picked him to win.
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Where are u Big H? ;)
Oh I'm right here young un - dont worry ;)
I think he has taken the right route so far in talking the fights with Maussa and getiing 2 more belts, yes we all no the limitations of Maussa and as I've said I haven't seen Collazo yet so can't comment.
I aint biased about Ricky Hatton, I've always stated that I don't think he would PBF!!
When you look at what happened to Lacy, you have to think that Hatton is sensible in taking his time, the way MAB and JC Chavez did, at the end of the day he is a 3 time world champ (whatever anybody says) and his stock is pretty high right now! Better than than fighting PBF or Cotto ( his 2 main threats imo) before he was ready. Peronally I don't think he will ever be ready for PBF, but let's be honest who wiill??
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
I didn't make any direct comment about the Collazo performance, all I said was every fighter has a bad day at the office, he's had 40 good ones prior to that. Look at Holyfiled in the 1st Moorer fight - it was a bad day at the office and he then went on to beat Tyson and avenge Moorer. All I was saying is figters have bad days like anybody else and regardless of the Collazo fight I think Hatton has proved a lot already and I am sure he will bounce back from WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD was a lacklustre performance.
I will be downloading it later so I can see for myself
That would be best
Just can't grasp my original point can ya
I DID NOT COMMENT on the Collazo fight - I said regardless of that fight cut him some slack coz he is allowed 1 bad fight after 40 good ones - so whether I have seen it (Which I openly said I haven't) is not relevant now is it!!
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Weebels
Where can the fight be downloaded?
None of the downloads on here work for me - but check for yourself on the File sharing Board ;)
yes, i have the link to the precious download...
if anyonw wants it, i would gladly give it 8)
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Originally Posted by The_One77
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Weebels
Where can the fight be downloaded?
None of the downloads on here work for me - but check for yourself on the File sharing Board ;)
yes, i have the link to the precious download...
if anyonw wants it, i would gladly give it 8)
Yes please fella :D
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
Just out of curiousity Manick...where does this arguement end?
I mean...your'e a fan of some fighter, correct?
I gotta say that you would defend your man to the end, right?
What's done is done...we may not all buy it...but just because the outcome & the performance was what Hatton promised...just because it wasn't what we expected...that doesn't mean that the kid doesn't have skills...nor does it mean that he doesn't deserve a second chance.
Can we atleast all agree on that?
When my fighter does good I expect him to be praised and when he does bad I expect him to be questioned.What I don't like about alot of hatton fans is that they feel he can't be questioned when he looks bad. But at the end of the day i could care less about any boxer because none of them sit around and talk about us.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
But aren't we talking about Collazo not Tszyu. That victory is not in question is it.I think all three of those guys are better than collazo.
I gotta disagree with you on one thing...Judah aint better than Collazo...atleast he sure as shat wasn't last night.
Look at it like this. Hatton meets his hype...he did it when he destroyed Kostya.
Judah has NEVER met his hype.
NEVER...so don't anyone say Corey fwockin Spinks.
Collazo was a more sound fighter all the way around based on any performance that Judah has had with any upper level opponents. He was focused & he got up from a knockdown to work out the end of the stretch...which I do think that he won.
Kostya & Mitchell are far superior fighters than both Collazo, IWO...but that was a while ago.
I think collazo may be better now but the question is did you think that before this fight. I knew he was ok. I picked him to win.
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Where are u Big H? ;)
Oh I'm right here young un - dont worry ;)
I think he has taken the right route so far in talking the fights with Maussa and getiing 2 more belts, yes we all no the limitations of Maussa and as I've said I haven't seen Collazo yet so can't comment.
I aint biased about Ricky Hatton, I've always stated that I don't think he would PBF!!
When you look at what happened to Lacy, you have to think that Hatton is sensible in taking his time, the way MAB and JC Chavez did, at the end of the day he is a 3 time world champ (whatever anybody says) and his stock is pretty high right now! Better than than fighting PBF or Cotto ( his 2 main threats imo) before he was ready. Peronally I don't think he will ever be ready for PBF, but let's be honest who wiill??
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
I didn't make any direct comment about the Collazo performance, all I said was every fighter has a bad day at the office, he's had 40 good ones prior to that. Look at Holyfiled in the 1st Moorer fight - it was a bad day at the office and he then went on to beat Tyson and avenge Moorer. All I was saying is figters have bad days like anybody else and regardless of the Collazo fight I think Hatton has proved a lot already and I am sure he will bounce back from WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD was a lacklustre performance.
I will be downloading it later so I can see for myself
That would be best
Just can't grasp my original point can ya
I DID NOT COMMENT on the Collazo fight - I said regardless of that fight cut him some slack coz he is allowed 1 bad fight after 40 good ones - so whether I have seen it (Which I openly said I haven't) is not relevant now is it!!
You said from what you hear it sounds like he had a bad day. What were you commenting on? The fight. That being said its obvious you can't grasp my point because you can't even acknowlegde that you commented on a fight you didn't see. So we will have to agree to disagree.
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Re: I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but......
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
Just out of curiousity Manick...where does this arguement end?
I mean...your'e a fan of some fighter, correct?
I gotta say that you would defend your man to the end, right?
What's done is done...we may not all buy it...but just because the outcome & the performance was what Hatton promised...just because it wasn't what we expected...that doesn't mean that the kid doesn't have skills...nor does it mean that he doesn't deserve a second chance.
Can we atleast all agree on that?
When my fighter does good I expect him to be praised and when he does bad I expect him to be questioned.What I don't like about alot of hatton fans is that they feel he can't be questioned when he looks bad. But at the end of the day i could care less about any boxer because none of them sit around and talk about us.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
But aren't we talking about Collazo not Tszyu. That victory is not in question is it.I think all three of those guys are better than collazo.
I gotta disagree with you on one thing...Judah aint better than Collazo...atleast he sure as shat wasn't last night.
Look at it like this. Hatton meets his hype...he did it when he destroyed Kostya.
Judah has NEVER met his hype.
NEVER...so don't anyone say Corey fwockin Spinks.
Collazo was a more sound fighter all the way around based on any performance that Judah has had with any upper level opponents. He was focused & he got up from a knockdown to work out the end of the stretch...which I do think that he won.
Kostya & Mitchell are far superior fighters than both Collazo, IWO...but that was a while ago.
I think collazo may be better now but the question is did you think that before this fight. I knew he was ok. I picked him to win.
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Where are u Big H? ;)
Oh I'm right here young un - dont worry ;)
I think he has taken the right route so far in talking the fights with Maussa and getiing 2 more belts, yes we all no the limitations of Maussa and as I've said I haven't seen Collazo yet so can't comment.
I aint biased about Ricky Hatton, I've always stated that I don't think he would PBF!!
When you look at what happened to Lacy, you have to think that Hatton is sensible in taking his time, the way MAB and JC Chavez did, at the end of the day he is a 3 time world champ (whatever anybody says) and his stock is pretty high right now! Better than than fighting PBF or Cotto ( his 2 main threats imo) before he was ready. Peronally I don't think he will ever be ready for PBF, but let's be honest who wiill??
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
I didn't make any direct comment about the Collazo performance, all I said was every fighter has a bad day at the office, he's had 40 good ones prior to that. Look at Holyfiled in the 1st Moorer fight - it was a bad day at the office and he then went on to beat Tyson and avenge Moorer. All I was saying is figters have bad days like anybody else and regardless of the Collazo fight I think Hatton has proved a lot already and I am sure he will bounce back from WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD was a lacklustre performance.
I will be downloading it later so I can see for myself
That would be best
Just can't grasp my original point can ya
I DID NOT COMMENT on the Collazo fight - I said regardless of that fight cut him some slack coz he is allowed 1 bad fight after 40 good ones - so whether I have seen it (Which I openly said I haven't) is not relevant now is it!!
You said from what you hear it sounds like he had a bad day. What were you commenting on? The fight. That being said its obvious you can't grasp my point because you can't even acknowlegde that you commented on a fight you didn't see. So we will have to agree to disagree.
Whatever makes you happy sweetheart
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
Just out of curiousity Manick...where does this arguement end?
I mean...your'e a fan of some fighter, correct?
I gotta say that you would defend your man to the end, right?
What's done is done...we may not all buy it...but just because the outcome & the performance was what Hatton promised...just because it wasn't what we expected...that doesn't mean that the kid doesn't have skills...nor does it mean that he doesn't deserve a second chance.
Can we atleast all agree on that?
When my fighter does good I expect him to be praised and when he does bad I expect him to be questioned.What I don't like about alot of hatton fans is that they feel he can't be questioned when he looks bad. But at the end of the day i could care less about any boxer because none of them sit around and talk about us.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
But aren't we talking about Collazo not Tszyu. That victory is not in question is it.I think all three of those guys are better than collazo.
I gotta disagree with you on one thing...Judah aint better than Collazo...atleast he sure as shat wasn't last night.
Look at it like this. Hatton meets his hype...he did it when he destroyed Kostya.
Judah has NEVER met his hype.
NEVER...so don't anyone say Corey fwockin Spinks.
Collazo was a more sound fighter all the way around based on any performance that Judah has had with any upper level opponents. He was focused & he got up from a knockdown to work out the end of the stretch...which I do think that he won.
Kostya & Mitchell are far superior fighters than both Collazo, IWO...but that was a while ago.
I think collazo may be better now but the question is did you think that before this fight. I knew he was ok. I picked him to win.
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Where are u Big H? ;)
Oh I'm right here young un - dont worry ;)
I think he has taken the right route so far in talking the fights with Maussa and getiing 2 more belts, yes we all no the limitations of Maussa and as I've said I haven't seen Collazo yet so can't comment.
I aint biased about Ricky Hatton, I've always stated that I don't think he would PBF!!
When you look at what happened to Lacy, you have to think that Hatton is sensible in taking his time, the way MAB and JC Chavez did, at the end of the day he is a 3 time world champ (whatever anybody says) and his stock is pretty high right now! Better than than fighting PBF or Cotto ( his 2 main threats imo) before he was ready. Peronally I don't think he will ever be ready for PBF, but let's be honest who wiill??
I :appl: for admitting hatton ain't ready but that don't change the facts that your bias for him. You making a positive comment about the mans performance without even seeing it already proves that.
I didn't make any direct comment about the Collazo performance, all I said was every fighter has a bad day at the office, he's had 40 good ones prior to that. Look at Holyfiled in the 1st Moorer fight - it was a bad day at the office and he then went on to beat Tyson and avenge Moorer. All I was saying is figters have bad days like anybody else and regardless of the Collazo fight I think Hatton has proved a lot already and I am sure he will bounce back from WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD was a lacklustre performance.
I will be downloading it later so I can see for myself
That would be best
Just can't grasp my original point can ya
I DID NOT COMMENT on the Collazo fight - I said regardless of that fight cut him some slack coz he is allowed 1 bad fight after 40 good ones - so whether I have seen it (Which I openly said I haven't) is not relevant now is it!!
You said from what you hear it sounds like he had a bad day. What were you commenting on? The fight. That being said its obvious you can't grasp my point because you can't even acknowlegde that you commented on a fight you didn't see. So we will have to agree to disagree.
Whatever makes you happy
sweetheart
First I was a youngn now i'm sweetheart. Come on I would appreciate it if u didn't call me anything but my name being that I have given you that same respect even if you haven't deserved it.I thought Mods had more class than that.
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Starr,you say bullshat about my sentence of styles make fights but all you always spout that "bullshat" and yes,you got a prediction right,woopdi fwookin doo. ;D Must I really go through the list of what you have got wrong. ;) You know,it's funny,before thisfight,you masqueraded as a Hatton fan but now all of a sudden you are glad that he did not perform well.
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PBF, ZAB, ODLH, AND NOW HATTON WOULD GET KTFO BY MARGARITO.....
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DLH wouldn't he would disect Tony, look at the problems Santos gave Margarito (had Tony winning, but Santos was giving him plenty of probs, mainly cause of size and weight, its about even so his advantage is gone) and DLH would murder, yes murder Santos, I think Tony would either lose by a lopsided decision or a TKO loss by cuts
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PBF, ZAB, ODLH, AND NOW HATTON WOULD GET KTFO BY MARGARITO.....
If you were a chica,I'd say a I love you but as you're not(i'M GUESSING),then you are the man! Slightly disagree,I think Oscar would beat Tony but it would by no means be easy and when you hear De La Hoya mention Margarito,you know he's no bum. Zab and Hatton definitely and add Gatti,Floyd....unsure but dam sure as hell want to see and more so than Hatton PBF as of now.
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DLH wouldn't he would disect Tony, look at the problems Santos gave Margarito (had Tony winning, but Santos was giving him plenty of probs, mainly cause of size and weight, its about even so his advantage is gone) and DLH would murder, yes murder Santos, I think Tony would either lose by a lopsided decision or a TKO loss by cuts
Good points Teriible but Santos is bigger than Oscar imo. I'd still pick Oscar though.
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I think Collazo's style caused Ricky problems more than anything else. Ricky didn't work like he usually does.
I take nothing away from Collazo but he lost.
Cool click :coolclick: for you sir, you have said it all succintly.
I must say all this Ricky bashing is monotonous and tiresome.
Yes he had a bad night, but like all great fighters he still did enough to win it.
He deserves to be a two weight world champion, he is special.
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I just think that the Collazo fight means VERY LITTLE in regards to a fight with Floyd.
Is Floyd a southpaw?
Is Floyd a slick outside style fighter?
Is Floyd a true Welterweight?
Did Collazo use Floyd's blocking style?
Did Collazo throw punches like Floyd?
All of those, are NO. Floyd fights his best on the inside with quick punches. Floyd is a true lightweight. Collazo fought MORE like Zab than Floyd. Collazo threw punches differently than Floyd, and being a southpaw Luis' punches came from very different angles which Ricky may or may not be more comfortable with.
I mean it would mean more if Collazo had Floyd's style...but he didn't and Ricky still won so it's a moot point
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I just think that the Collazo fight means VERY LITTLE in regards to a fight with Floyd.
Is Floyd a southpaw?
Is Floyd a slick outside style fighter?
Is Floyd a true Welterweight?
Did Collazo use Floyd's blocking style?
Did Collazo throw punches like Floyd?
All of those, are NO. Floyd fights his best on the inside with quick punches. Floyd is a true lightweight. Collazo fought MORE like Zab than Floyd. Collazo threw punches differently than Floyd, and being a southpaw Luis' punches came from very different angles which Ricky may or may not be more comfortable with.
I mean it would mean more if Collazo had Floyd's style...but he didn't and Ricky still won so it's a moot point
Have you ever seen floyd fight below welter???So now collazo has better defense and throws better punches than floyd? Are you serious. Hatton was getting hit with straight punches. He was walking right into them.Floyds best punches are straight punches and at the end of the day you know that floyd is like 5 times better than collazo.Stop trying to make him look better so hatton won't look worse.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I just think that the Collazo fight means VERY LITTLE in regards to a fight with Floyd.
Is Floyd a southpaw?
Is Floyd a slick outside style fighter?
Is Floyd a true Welterweight?
Did Collazo use Floyd's blocking style?
Did Collazo throw punches like Floyd?
All of those, are NO. Floyd fights his best on the inside with quick punches. Floyd is a true lightweight. Collazo fought MORE like Zab than Floyd. Collazo threw punches differently than Floyd, and being a southpaw Luis' punches came from very different angles which Ricky may or may not be more comfortable with.
I mean it would mean more if Collazo had Floyd's style...but he didn't and Ricky still won so it's a moot point
Have you ever seen floyd fight below welter???So now collazo has better defense and throws better punches than floyd? Are you serious. Hatton was getting hit with straight punches. He was walking right into them.Floyds best punches are straight punches and at the end of the day you know that floyd is like 5 times better than collazo.Stop trying to make him look better so hatton won't look worse.
CC. I'm sick of everyone now trying to make Collazo out to be Pernell Whitaker. The fact is the guy is nothing more than a journeyman. And ok, for argument's sake, let's just say it was his southpaw style that gave Ricky trouble, that doesn't change the fact that he has NO power whatsoever and had Ricky rocked on numerous occasions. Fact is, Floyd is more comfortable at 147 than Ricky will ever be. Floyd doesn't get tossed around the ring like a rag doll and that would be the only reason to state a fighter is fighting at a weight too high, so people need to stop with this 'he's just a blown up lightweight stuff.' No one refers to Oscar as just 'a blown up superfeatherweight' because he's able to not only fight at his new weight, but do so comfortably.
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I just think that the Collazo fight means VERY LITTLE in regards to a fight with Floyd.
Is Floyd a southpaw?
Is Floyd a slick outside style fighter?
Is Floyd a true Welterweight?
Did Collazo use Floyd's blocking style?
Did Collazo throw punches like Floyd?
All of those, are NO. Floyd fights his best on the inside with quick punches. Floyd is a true lightweight. Collazo fought MORE like Zab than Floyd. Collazo threw punches differently than Floyd, and being a southpaw Luis' punches came from very different angles which Ricky may or may not be more comfortable with.
I mean it would mean more if Collazo had Floyd's style...but he didn't and Ricky still won so it's a moot point
Have you ever seen floyd fight below welter???So now collazo has better defense and throws better punches than floyd? Are you serious. Hatton was getting hit with straight punches. He was walking right into them.Floyds best punches are straight punches and at the end of the day you know that floyd is like 5 times better than collazo.Stop trying to make him look better so hatton won't look worse.
CC. I'm sick of everyone now trying to make Collazo out to be Pernell Whitaker. The fact is the guy is nothing more than a journeyman. And ok, for argument's sake, let's just say it was his southpaw style that gave Ricky trouble, that doesn't change the fact that he has NO power whatsoever and had Ricky rocked on numerous occasions. Fact is, Floyd is more comfortable at 147 than Ricky will ever be. Floyd doesn't get tossed around the ring like a rag doll and that would be the only reason to state a fighter is fighting at a weight too high, so people need to stop with this 'he's just a blown up lightweight stuff.' No one refers to Oscar as just 'a blown up superfeatherweight' because he's able to not only fight at his new weight, but do so comfortably.
I agree :coolclick:I just bothers me that all the people who swore hatton was gonna blow this guy away are now trying to act like he was some kind of world beater and ricky was brave for taking him on. Whatever. I saw most of these guys picks and 90% thought this guy was a bum and now hes the best ww in the world cause he gave defensive master ricky hatton problems. Please!
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smashcrush have you been on the end of any of collazo's punches mate? i don't think so. so the no power statement is a bit bollocks. collazo looked a lot better than most thought he would and was hardle the average fighter your making him out to be. and we all know that he's not a better boxer than mayweather and i don't think that that was even said or implied. he's a different fighter to mayweather.
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When a guy stops less than half of his opponents, he has no power.
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it's not the aim of the game to knock the other fella out chief. sometimes a knockout doesn't happen. lewis never went for a knockout. but he said sometimes they just came and he had to take them. and before you start i'm not comparing collazo to lennox lewis, i'm just making a point. collazo's punches did not look powder puff to me mate, and they probably would have knocked out a hell of a lot of the fighters at welterwieght. hatton has a hell of a chin.
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i doubt mayweather hits any harder than collazo. Judah probably does mind. The hatton that turned up against collazo would lose against mayweather. I think any hatton beats judah...........not including matthew hatton :P
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Anyone who thinks that Collazo is a great just becuz he gave Hatton an azzwoopin' of his life must be insane! PBF & Margarito would woop Collazo everyday of the week! Stop using excuses, Hatton don't want none of Floyd cuz it will be a terrible matchup, very one-sided!
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'asswhopping of his life' - that is a bit exaggerated to be honest, its the worst iv ever seen hatton perform and i thought the fight could have gone either way, but at the end of the day, hatton is by far a better fighter, thats why hes 41-0-0.
i dont see why people keep giving ricky hatton stick just because hes had 1 bad fight, like hes a wifebeater or something, hes a good guy and good fighter, more than i can say for that cocky shit PBF.
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Not many fighters can say that the "azzwhooping of their life" equals a win and a world title ;)
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You know...I aint jokin...the title of this thread...it clearly makes me laugh:
I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but...
When clearly...you are...but now that Hatton has bailed back to 140lbs...what does that say?
Bring on the bashin!!! ;D
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I'm not going to bash Hatton. He will have great fights at 140 with Cotto, Castillo, and Corrales. But, I will say this, He won't beat Floyd.
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You know...I aint jokin...the title of this thread...it clearly makes me laugh:
I'm not bashing Ricky Hatton but...
When clearly...you are...but now that Hatton has bailed back to 140lbs...what does that say?
Bring on the bashin!!! ;D
That he knows that in order to succeed in the Welterweight division he needs to face Collazo in a rematch and beat him, that won't happen so, Hatton leaves Welterweight :)
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ever thought that Calllozo should move down a weight and challenge Ricky at his desired weight?
After all, Ricky Hatton didn't feel comfortable at WW but he had to fight because Luiz was the champion....Ricky is now the champion, so he makes the rules.
hahahahaha...
