Jbird you are in severe denial for your countryman and I am sorry buy Ricky's constant rushing in to tie up one of Collazzo's arms to get in a punch and keep from being punched looked so desperate.
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Jbird you are in severe denial for your countryman and I am sorry buy Ricky's constant rushing in to tie up one of Collazzo's arms to get in a punch and keep from being punched looked so desperate.
So your basically saying he has to hold to do his best work? Being that was the only time they were broken up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
Why does Hatten have to be overrated, everybody knows that styles make fights. Going into this one, everybody knew that collazo was a southpaw, which Hatten has always had trouble with. This was stated on this site before the fight. As a matter of fact that was one of the reasons some of you picked L.C.
Collazo had a good fight and lost. Even according to the number of punches thrown hatten landed more. So they weren't pretty. Hatten set the pace and stayed on his man constantly, that was his plan, it worked.
By the way this from an American.
Thats understandable but like i've said I've seen quite a few of his fights and he showed the same flaws then that he does now.But now that it was very visible in this fight his fans don't want to admit that.I'll admit hes good if you guys can admit he ain't as good as you all thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
the fight was much closer than the punch stats revealed and thus undoubtedly rigged as with the Frietas/Raheem fight where thankfully the judges saw it correctly for a change.
If you are going to rig a fight, I would have thought the benefit would be to rig it so the betting underdog wins?
sorry mate but 'my severe denial for my countryman' comment was bollocks. why has where i'm from got to be a factor chief? for all you know i could be a fucking yank.
Excellent post Lyle, :coolclick: for you sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Ricky has his shortcomings and anyone who doesn't take that into account doesn't watch the lad fight with both eyes open.
The reason I thoroughly enjoy watching Ricky Hatton fight is because he wins despite his shortcomings, and he is a genuine, respectful human being outside the ring.
It was a very close run thing against collazo but Ricky showed the heart of a champion and the chin of an Ox.
Billy Graham has his work cut out getting some head movement happening from the champ.
Where does Ricky go now, a two weight champion.
Does he go back down to 140 and enjoy his ability to boss the smaller fellas or does he try to get a match with PBF for a mega golden handshake.?
I think it was more of a draw. I think an argument for a 1 point win for either man could be entertained but scoring is so subjective and the rounds that were close were impossibly hard to score whereas the rounds that were obvious for either man were basic no brainers. I've only seen Hatton on 2 or 3 occassions, but this was definitely the sloppiest manifestation of him. I find him to be a very courageous, intense, and focused fighter with good skills as a fighter/brawler but just ok skills as a pure boxer. Very entertaining to watch. I think if he doesn't settle at welter or he has another off night like Saturday that a list of the top welters could take a fight from him, if not KO him. meaning Margarito, Oscar (sorry you can't sell Baldomir to me won't ever believe that until I see it). As far as PBF I think Hatton has a style that would bother Floyd, but not enough to beat him I think by mid fight Floyd would be countering a very aggressive Hatton to the wall, taking a few in the process but mostly picking him off from the outside with his reach and defensive skills, winning the fight 7-5 or 8-4 or something like that ultimately. I think a Hatton fight vs Corralles or Castillo would be vastly entertaining and preferable to a prolonged campaign at welter at this point in his career. I also think Cotto has the size, power and style to beat Hatton though Hatton's power, chin, and ruffhousing style are also credible enough to put Cotto on his back on the right circumstances, that fight would largely come down to strategy.
I do not think the fight it self was rigged but the punch stats are getting more far fetched all of the time. I also feel the fight was closer to a draw.
Jbird, I do not know were you are from but figured anyone in such denial muct have a personal reason. Maybe you just lost alot of money or something.
You are quite right eclectic, this was Ricky's poorest performance i have ever seen.
I know Ricky is considerably better than that.
I'm interested in whether they will keep Ricky at this weight if they can't find a fight with PBF?
Who else would ricky want to fight at this weight?
He still has unfinished business at Light Welter and he can still make the weight I'm sure.
miracho your a dick. i'm not in denial at all mate. i'm fully aware that hatton had a tough close fight on saturday cos i watched it mate. and i'm also aware that it wasnt anywhere near the best of ricky hatton or the best of what he is capable of.
Jbird,
Emotional name calling and flustered posts are are also a sign of denial.
I honestly feel all roads for hatton lead back to Collazo. Theres one thing thats strong in every man and thats pride. He can't just go back to jww because people will say he got run out of the ww division by Luis Collazo which would be true. His pride will make him give a rematch just like floyd/castillo and jones/tarver and that might be his undoing because if he don't work on those technical flaws i can see collazo knocking him out in a rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Whirlwind
collazo is totally capable of knocking out hatton. but the truth of the matter is that collazo had a good night and hatton had a bad night and hatton still won. if a rematch is made hatton can only get better from that performance, i cant see colazo getting much better from his.
I still can't figure out if the term brits use so often... 'yanks' is an insult or not
I tend to think it's an insult because I hate baseball, well all sports that involve a ball really (if they were worth a damn they'd be boxing:)) and even moreso the yankees
I use 'yanks' quite a lot, but it's not meant as an insult.
I like to think that people are crystal clear about the fact when I DO insult them.
I do agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
And if yall are going to compare Hatten and the old Tyson, with the elbows and stuff. Big difference between them Hatten has a chin and the old Tyson had a defence. That changed when Cuz died.
(sorry posted too soon) And Tyson fought that way because he was much shorter than his opponents.!
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Well said mate and it does need to be said!!!
Hatton has one 3 world titles at 2 different weights in 10 months.
Certain US members really don't like the fact that our top flight boys are doing the business and in emphatic (calzaghe making a total prick out of Jeff Chase me :biker:..Sorry ~Lacy)
I feel strongly the need to not (and i will not for one f*cking second) sit back and have my fellow country men slated for their superb achievements over the last year.
Maybe it's because the US is so much bigger than the UK that we are getting tosser after tosser trying to blame the ref,the judges or whatever to save face over the fact that Ricky done the business in their back yard ;D
Like when Nigel Benn smashed the utter KUNT out of IRAN (for cover) Barklay back in the day in his backyard (They did not like that up em either) ;)
Ricky could have chosen a MUCH easier fight than a full blown Welter but you gotta understand that we (The UK) ain't about that and anyone who slates the Boy for his efforts over the last 10 months is just a jealous fool.
Some of the people and some are senior members and even Moderators of the site have really shown their true colours since Hatton/Collazo
And why the f*ck do you (some) have to turn it into a US/UK war of words.??
Be Happy for our fighters achievments and accept the you HAVE NOT the strangle hold over World boxing that you are used to.
Look at the Heavyweight division for starters ;) 3 outta 4 Champs are Euro Title holders FFS.
The Chinese are starting to become strong and then of course check our dominance at the Commonwealth games 8)
Then go check on Nicky Cook,Amir Khan and Kevin Mitchell to name a few (all on the way or on the edge of world glory)
Some of our USA members really have made dickheads out of themselves in the last few days and i really do mean that!!
Shame on you and Well done Ricky for having the balls to do what you do best....
Yeah Collazo had him hanging in the 12th but watch again as Ricky comes straight back in his face for the tear-up.
Like i said it's what we are all about mentality wise so get F8cking used to it.
Rule Britania and back the f*ck off our Boys
SMASHUP OUT!! :fyou: :britain: :britain:
And BIG UP THE SKEL for having balls like Hatton and standing his F*CKING GROUND
RESPECT BAD BWOY!!!
Why do people keep saying he had a bad night. He fought like hatton. He didn't throw as many punches because a)he wasn't allowed to hold as much b)he didn't like what was coming back. I rather you say ww are too big for him than to say it was a bad night cause he fought his fight. It just wasn't enough to blow the guy away. As far as a rematch Collazo would be much more relaxed now knowing that hes on the same level as hatton. Once he figured hatton out in the early parts it was looking kinda easy at times. In a rematch he outpoints him from round 1 and might get the ko when hatton starts to get desperate.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
No matter where we gringos go we are called yanks are yankees. This could possibly be due to the fact that forriegn countries often consider the winners of the civil war as the true reprasentatives of our country. They also realize that the word yankee is a positive symbol for the fight for freedom for it was us Yanks that ended slavery not only in the U.S. but in Britian, Spain, and Latin america as well.
Unfortunately, there are a few jellous antiamericans who like to use Yank in a derogatory manner. Notice how jbird calls us F.....king Yanks.
Of course Hatton has flaws as a fighter, that is why he is so liked, no one, particularly in Britain, likes perfection. We like our heroes flawed and to be considered underdogs and exciting, that is a big reason why a Bruno or Sir 'enry, are all but considered royalty, while Lewis, who was fairly easily better than both, had such a relatively lukewarm following in Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Ok,Ok, calmdown. Take a deep breath. Now just because you Brits come up with a good fighter once every 10 or so years, doesn't mean you rule the world again. Oh wait was that the pesky french.(Who almost never have a good fighter.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
CoRnfused over that statement...see below:
Dickheads?!?!? USA?!?!?! War of words?!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
Interesting...
Agreed. Well done Ricky...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
Interesting...so you think that the fight was or wasn't close?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
Heh heh heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weebels
The french missed their chance with Hacine Cherifi. ;D
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Originally Posted by Weebels
I don't know why people have to make this a US/UK thing but like i said if we were keeping score we would still be far,far ahead so please give it a rest.
Nothing wrong with a little fun a one anothers expence. I achuly am a Ricky Hatten admirer.
Damn right. We love being the underdog, we love rooting for the underdog. We love heart and courage more than finesse and skill (see the popularity of Gerrard or Terry over David Beckham or Britkids boxing refs). Hatton will always be popular in England. We arent fickle and will stick with him to the end because he has every quality we could want in a British fighter. That being said.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Had to be said. Wish I'd come out and said it all myself as now I look like a bandwagon jumper but I dont care now. Go on Smashup and skel AVE IT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
I aint getting into a UK US battle coz thats bollox, but in terms of belts held in relation to population Great Britai n is currently more successful than the US ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Weebels
Oh great [b]BIG H[b] now it's all about size. lol
??? So you disagree that a country with a larger population isl likely produce a larger quantity of good athletes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Weebels
I personal think that from the few fights i have seen from Hatten, that befor he starts fighting the top ranked WW, he should take some notes from fighters like Tyson(early days), in that he should develop a defence aginst taller fighters. And not eat so many punches as he is trying to get to the inside.
I think as a larger population you may have more athletes but not necessarily better athletes. In a larger country good athletes are more easily overlooked.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I agree but its not like boxing is americas favorite sport either. But in the end whos fault is it our population is bigger? no onesQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
The ref broke it up because hatton was just holding and not even trying to work his way out...there were several times that collazo held his arms out to show that hatton was just clinging to him and not punching...what did you expect the ref to do let him hold until he felt like punching? Maybe you should watch it again....Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
I'm not sure what all the hating of Hatten is all about. I don't think it has anything to do with him being a Brit. Hell I've talked to some Irish folk who don't like him because he's from the wrong side of town. I think that some people think he treats it like a wrestling match with punching involved. I personally like the way he keeps the pressure on and stays busier, than his opponent.
I'm not so sure about that Maracho. I'm not an expert but I think Britain abolished slavery quite some time before the US? I'm also not sure how the US ended slavery in other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by maracho
I'm not entirely convinced any of us has such a great history of equal rights/human rights that we can paint ourselves as the good guys.
Still - anything to fan more outraged posts from angry people ;)