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Originally Posted by Saddo
well i cant take nothing away from what Lewis has achived but boy he was the biggest bore to watch IMHO ;)
like his last fight though ;)
I disagree that he was a boring fighter, but i respect that people have different opinions. The fights i guess you'd label him boring are Tua, Holyfield, etc... Points wins. But what about the other fights i.e Ruddock, Grant, Galota ete.
Ali could be boring at times and he was the greatest!
Lewis was technically very good against Tua especially.
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Originally Posted by Saddo
well i cant take nothing away from what Lewis has achived but boy he was the biggest bore to watch IMHO ;)
like his last fight though ;)
I disagree that he was a boring fighter, but i respect that people have different opinions. The fights i guess you'd label him boring are Tua, Holyfield, etc... Points wins. But what about the other fights i.e Ruddock, Grant, Galota ete.
Ali could be boring at times and he was the greatest!
Lewis was technically very good against Tua especially.
you named 3 fights that he showed what he was about... just a shame i had to sit through the rest ;)
just not for me im afraid ;)
i guess i just like fighters over boxers ;)
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I'm surprised Smash and Missy haven't said it was an American conspiracy to ruin the best British fighter so PBF didn't have to fight him.
Not that I honestly believe that Floyd would duck Ricky other than just for bigger money by fighting Oscar. Ricky can't compete with De la Hoya, I mean hell, no one since Ray Leonard could bring in the money he does!
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Lewis boxed, keeping himself safe and slowly breaks down his opponent who would lose patience and make mistakes and be punished. The most interesting part of a Lewis fight was the thirty seconds before a KO when he knew his opponent was no longer a threat and unleashed his full power.
I practice and fight at TaeKwonDo, where a similar problem is boring fighting. Personally I am a brawler i fight in the heavyweight division and weigh in at 106kg ideally, and like to stand toe to toe trading kicks and punches (preferably with them in the corner), however the most successful fighters in the club are counter-kickers who wait for their opponent to make their move and then block or avoid the strike whilst returning their own. Watch two counter-kickers and you can almost shit yourself with boredom. There was discussion of introducing bonus points for technical strikes eg jumping kicks and spins of over 360 but this is too difficult to score so unfortunately you get some boring fights. When it comes down to it, eventually a technical fighter comes up against a naturally talented fighter who messes up their plan and thats where they come unstuck.
But although I am not always successful in the ring people like watching me fight cos they know there will be some action one way or another!!
Lewis was an incredibly talented technical boxer but I believe if he had come up againt Tyson he would have struggled! IMO there could be many reasons for tyson paying step aside money
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Tyson would have had trouble with Lewis at any point in his career. Tyson was a sucker for uppercuts, he didn't like guys who fought tall, and Lewis had good power.
That being said a Prime-Prime fight could have NEVER happened because Lewis turned pro in 88 and Tyson had lost in 1990 so the best they could do would have been a post prison Tyson vs a pre-McCall Lewis.
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Anybody who takes the Collazo fight seriously is a dummy. Ricky entered that ring at 160lbs! It was almost a laughing stock. Kerry (Kayes) had only seven weeks to add 5lbs of muscle to Ricky's frame, and that was obviously going to slow him down (he looked so big, slow and sloppy against Collazo compared to his usual smaller, tighter, sharper self that it's not even funny).
To put this into perspective, Ricky entered the ring against Stewart at 146, against Oliveira at 148 and against Tsyzu at 147 (Tszyu was 149). Against Collazo, Hatton entered the ring at 160. It was an amateurish mistake by his whole team (and TV backers) to move up in weight at such short notice when his only problem making 140 was often having to eat upto seven meals a day during camp to keep the weight up near the 140 mark!
your telling me he only had 7 weeks to gain weight? He knew about the fight 6 months in advance...if he waited that long he got what he deserved......He weighed in at 160? how can this be if he had to eat 7 meals a day to get to 140? 20 lbs? did he eat 20 meals a day?..no...he has a small frame that cannot sustain heavier weights....the extra weight makes him slower and less active. that's why he got beat by Collazo....
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...Except he didn't.
It is accepted that on the scoring system Ricky won. Sure Collazzo may have won his rounds by a larger margin than Ricky, but he won.
It was UD as well, the only way to avoid the vagaries of a refs deciion is to put soebody on their arse so they don't get back up
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What won that decision for Ricky was this:
a lucky knockdown that did no damage in the first round when he caught Collazo backpedalling and off-balance, and a whole lot of sensationalism and hype.
Collazo was the better fighter throughout the night, and got robbed.
Americanns respect fighters from anywhere around the world, as long as they have real talent and put on a good fight.
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its the lack of sun i live in seattle so i know the feeling
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...Except he didn't.
It is accepted that on the scoring system Ricky won. Sure Collazzo may have won his rounds by a larger margin than Ricky, but he won.
It was UD as well, the only way to avoid the vagaries of a refs deciion is to put soebody on their a*** so they don't get back up
ohh..i see.....you're going to say that those judges in the biggest fight of any of their careers weren't swayed to pull for Hatton?....no pressure right? there was no talk of a PBF-Hatton or Hatton-ODLH before the fight right? Rember Hatton was supposed to walk through Collazo and I think the judges judged the fight that was as well....I think they gave every close round to Hatton because Hatton was SUPPOSED to win this fight...Where's the rematch?...that tells you who won that fight....COLLAZO!!!
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I think bigragu should do his homework before he slates young Hatton.
Seven weeks before the fight Ricky was scheduled to fight at Light-Welter H.B.O. said the opponent was not box office material and told Hatton to fight the Welter Collazo ( or something along those lines ) hence the not having time to grow into the weight. I can assure you that if he does stay at welter he will be a far tougher proposition next time out.
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But he didn't win did he? Because Ricky has the WBA belt, check it out Ricky is 41-0 so he can't have lost.
Perhaps you believe in your opinion that Collazzo SHOULD have won the fight, but he didn't. Just like Ruiz's manager against Valuev you can't change the outcome once its been decided. Its not down to Ricky to give Collazo a second shot, that would be a backwards step on his ultimate goal of trying to set a date for PBF.
It is Collazzo responsibility to rebuild his career. He didn't get robbed, he didn't defend his title well enough
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Originally Posted by chrisbird13
But he didn't win did he? Because Ricky has the WBA belt, check it out Ricky is 41-0 so he can't have lost.
Perhaps you believe in your opinion that Collazzo SHOULD have won the fight, but he didn't. Just like Ruiz's manager against Valuev you can't change the outcome once its been decided. Its not down to Ricky to give Collazo a second shot, that would be a backwards step on his ultimate goal of trying to set a date for PBF.
It is Collazzo responsibility to rebuild his career. He didn't get robbed, he didn't defend his title well enough
He certainly defended it better than anybody expected. Hatton is not ready for PBF and if he does not give this guy another shot he has reconsider fighting at this weight because Collazzo is not much compared to elite fighters. His goals may be to fight PBF, or De La Hoya but he has no business in the ring with those two.
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FACT: Ricky Hatton has called out PBF (monster payday for both, if Hatton is so shite why doesn't PBF fight him and take a big purse and his belt, or perhaps PBF doesn't think it would be that easy?)
Because PBF can get alot more $$$$$$$$ and a much tougher fight from Oscar!! The fact that you try to make it sound like Floyd is ducking Hatton shows us that your opinion is jaded the OTHER WAY!!
Actually, Hatton could do alot for his rep by following Floyd's lead and getting a more convincing win, like PBF did vs Castillo!!
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Originally Posted by WWatt
Anybody who takes the Collazo fight seriously is a dummy. Ricky entered that ring at 160lbs! It was almost a laughing stock. Kerry (Kayes) had only seven weeks to add 5lbs of muscle to Ricky's frame, and that was obviously going to slow him down (he looked so big, slow and sloppy against Collazo compared to his usual smaller, tighter, sharper self that it's not even funny).
To put this into perspective, Ricky entered the ring against Stewart at 146, against Oliveira at 148 and against Tsyzu at 147 (Tszyu was 149). Against Collazo, Hatton entered the ring at 160. It was an amateurish mistake by his whole team (and TV backers) to move up in weight at such short notice when his only problem making 140 was often having to eat upto seven meals a day during camp to keep the weight up near the 140 mark!
PLEASE! Have you seen the pudgy fat lil fuk in between fights? Sucker balloons up to at least 170. I doubt it was difficult for him to get to the 140 mark.
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But he didn't win did he? Because Ricky has the WBA belt, check it out Ricky is 41-0 so he can't have lost.
Perhaps you believe in your opinion that Collazzo SHOULD have won the fight, but he didn't. Just like Ruiz's manager against Valuev you can't change the outcome once its been decided. Its not down to Ricky to give Collazo a second shot, that would be a backwards step on his ultimate goal of trying to set a date for PBF.
It is Collazzo responsibility to rebuild his career. He didn't get robbed, he didn't defend his title well enough
He certainly defended it better than anybody expected. Hatton is not ready for PBF and if he does not give this guy another shot he has reconsider fighting at this weight because
Collazzo is not much compared to elite fighters. His goals may be to fight PBF, or De La Hoya but he has no business in the ring with those two.
Ok so which welters are better then collazo? Margarito? maybe altho he wouldn't outbox collazo! Judah.....hell no not on his last few showings. Baldomir? nope. Gatti? probably not, Shane Mosley? maybe about 2-3 years ago. And then we come to mayweather.. How does anyone know how mayweather would go on against a natural primed welterweight??? Zab Judah gave him all he could handle early on....and this is a fighter who has been beaten almost everytime he has stepped up....wether u agree or not, judah has lost to cory spinks, kostya tszyu and baldozar. Beating micky ward and a junior witter who had just fought in a 4 rounder does not make you world class. Mayweather looked far from the best fighter in the world in his only 2 outings at welter..but he got the W. So did Ricky Hatton. Its about time people respected that.
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Originally Posted by chrisbird13
FACT: Ricky Hatton has called out PBF (monster payday for both, if Hatton is so shite why doesn't PBF fight him and take a big purse and his belt, or perhaps PBF doesn't think it would be that easy?)
Actually, Hatton could do alot for his rep by following Floyd's lead and getting a more convincing win, like PBF did vs Castillo!!
If hatton was from the USA then maybe, but his rep will be better if he goes out and stops Gatti. I highly doubt anyone would want to actualy WATCH a hatton-Collazo rematch for the action it has the makings of another borring night.
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FACT: Ricky Hatton has called out PBF (monster payday for both, if Hatton is so shite why doesn't PBF fight him and take a big purse and his belt, or perhaps PBF doesn't think it would be that easy?)
Actually, Hatton could do alot for his rep by following Floyd's lead and getting a more convincing win, like PBF did vs Castillo!!
Boring night?? what fight were u watchin?? It was from boring to guys coming forward, how was that boring, it wasnt a great technical fight, if you want boring you should of watched the Hopkins/Taylor fights.
If hatton was from the USA then maybe, but his rep will be better if he goes out and stops Gatti. I highly doubt anyone would want to actualy WATCH a hatton-Collazo rematch for the action it has the makings of another borring night.
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Ricky deserves to have his ability questioned. I think he won the Collazo fight, but he looked like crap doing it. And I don't think its because Collazo is an awkward or difficult, because he wasn't good enough to capatalize on the one dimensional Hatton.
People grilled De La Hoya after the Sturm match, and rightfully so.
Also, wasn't it Ricky who said he wasn't ready for Mayweather? Hell, he's talking about fighting Gattie isn't he?
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Its not down to Ricky to give Collazo a second shot, that would be a backwards step on his ultimate goal of trying to set a date for PBF.
His shite performance against Collazo was a backwards step on his ultimate goal of trying to set a date for PBF too. It did nothing to convince anyone new that he was worthy, or to heavy up the purse for such a fight.
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Ok so which welters are better then collazo? Margarito? maybe altho he wouldn't outbox collazo! Judah.....hell no not on his last few showings. Baldomir? nope. Gatti? probably not, Shane Mosley? maybe about 2-3 years ago. And then we come to mayweather.. How does anyone know how mayweather would go on against a natural primed welterweight??? Zab Judah gave him all he could handle early on....and this is a fighter who has been beaten almost everytime he has stepped up....wether u agree or not, judah has lost to cory spinks, kostya tszyu and baldozar. Beating micky ward and a junior witter who had just fought in a 4 rounder does not make you world class. Mayweather looked far from the best fighter in the world in his only 2 outings at welter..but he got the W. So did Ricky Hatton. Its about time people respected that.
I'm sorry, mate, are you joking? Margarito, Judah, Shane, Mayweather and possibly Baldomir are all better than Collazo. It's the Shane part that's most ridiculous in your post though. Sure, he's a little past his prime, but if he were back down at 147 he'd get some of his speed back; he's more skilled than Collazo; and he's WAY more powerful than Collazo (in fact, every single WW fighter you mentioned is WAY more powerful than Collazo). If you think Collazo is so great (by virtue of his performance against Ricky), then you must think that he's a top 10 p4p fighter (as I suppose you think Ricky is), right?
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Ok so which welters are better then collazo? Margarito? maybe altho he wouldn't outbox collazo!
Also, for the record, Ricky didn't "outbox" collazo either, so what's your point?
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Its not down to Ricky to give Collazo a second shot, that would be a backwards step on his ultimate goal of trying to set a date for PBF.
His shite performance against Collazo was a backwards step on his ultimate goal of trying to set a date for PBF too. It did nothing to convince anyone new that he was worthy, or to heavy up the purse for such a fight.
hmmm one post your complaining hes moving down and the other states hes no good at welter... try and be consistent... or people may mistake you for a hater ::**
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Its not down to Ricky to give Collazo a second shot, that would be a backwards step on his ultimate goal of trying to set a date for PBF.
His shite performance against Collazo was a backwards step on his ultimate goal of trying to set a date for PBF too. It did nothing to convince anyone new that he was worthy, or to heavy up the purse for such a fight.
hmmm one post your complaining hes moving down and the other states hes no good at welter... try and be consistent... or people may mistake you for a hater ::**
On the contrary, mate, all I said was that he was bad in his first fight at welter. I don't doubt he'd be better a second time out, but not if he jumps back down in between. He said it himself after the fight--"I need to grow into this weight."
For the record, I don't think he's a great fighter. Good, but not great. That's based on watching his performances, not how I feel about his personality or the way he looks or anything. I do think he's usually entertaining to watch though, and I'm happy to watch his fights. I don't think that makes me a hater--I just disagree with those on here who are convinced that he's a top 5 p4p fighter.
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i think he sucked at welter... he is a light welter IMO
and the fact of where he goes from here all depends on the next guy hes fighting... all i know is hes in Florida and then jetting off to be Ringside at the Corrales - Castillo fight... but as Cotto is Penciled in for the winner of that well lets face it Casttilo is gonna win.
im not sure where he goes from here... maybe forced into a rematch with Collazo as hes all that free... I HOPE NOT... cant see the point... to prove a point to armchair critics who wouldn't give ricky any credit nomatter what he did.
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i think he sucked at welter... he is a light welter IMO
and the fact of where he goes from here all depends on the next guy hes fighting... all i know is hes in Florida and then jetting off to be Ringside at the Corrales - Castillo fight... but as Cotto is Penciled in for the winner of that well lets face it Casttilo is gonna win.
im not sure where he goes from here... maybe forced into a rematch with Collazo as hes all that free... I HOPE NOT... cant see the point... to prove a point to armchair critics who wouldn't give ricky any credit nomatter what he did.
Fair enough, mate. Who do you want him to fight next, then--not fantasy matches, but likely available ones.
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Mayweather any weight... lightwelter or Welter... as i dont see Floyd as a true Welter so win or lose no excuses it would he a fair fight
and i guess to only other guy would be Witter.... underated and it could be a classic ;)
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Anybody who takes the Collazo fight seriously is a dummy. Ricky entered that ring at 160lbs! It was almost a laughing stock. Kerry (Kayes) had only seven weeks to add 5lbs of muscle to Ricky's frame, and that was obviously going to slow him down (he looked so big, slow and sloppy against Collazo compared to his usual smaller, tighter, sharper self that it's not even funny).
To put this into perspective, Ricky entered the ring against Stewart at 146, against Oliveira at 148 and against Tsyzu at 147 (Tszyu was 149). Against Collazo, Hatton entered the ring at 160. It was an amateurish mistake by his whole team (and TV backers) to move up in weight at such short notice when his only problem making 140 was often having to eat upto seven meals a day during camp to keep the weight up near the 140 mark!
Complete BS!
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well i cant take nothing away from what Lewis has achived but boy he was the biggest bore to watch IMHO  ;)
like his last fight though  ;)
I disagree that he was a boring fighter, but i respect that people have different opinions.  The fights i guess you'd label him boring are Tua, Holyfield, etc... Points wins.  But what about the other fights i.e Ruddock, Grant, Galota ete.
Ali could be boring at times and he was the greatest!
Lewis was technically very good against Tua especially.
you named 3 fights that he showed what he was about... just a shame i had to sit through the rest  ;)
just not for me im afraid  ;)
i guess i just like fighters over boxers  ;)
Sorry to re-open this but i've only just logged back in.
I think you're one of those that show ignorance towards Lewis, ok i named 3 fights, but i put etc on the end. Rahman, Mason, Tyson etc...
Lewis deserves credit for his achievements, and i would certainly not label him a boring fighter.  Yes, he was a thinking fighter and possibly could have done more against Holyfield, Tua, and Tyson (with regards to knocking out Tyson sooner), but the bottom line is he won those fights and beat every fighter that he faced.  Sure there are some dubious decisions in his favour, but isn't that the case with most every fighter?
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Ok so which welters are better then collazo? Margarito? maybe altho he wouldn't outbox collazo! Judah.....hell no not on his last few showings. Baldomir? nope. Gatti? probably not, Shane Mosley? maybe about 2-3 years ago. And then we come to mayweather.. How does anyone know how mayweather would go on against a natural primed welterweight??? Zab Judah gave him all he could handle early on....and this is a fighter who has been beaten almost everytime he has stepped up....wether u agree or not, judah has lost to cory spinks, kostya tszyu and baldozar. Beating micky ward and a junior witter who had just fought in a 4 rounder does not make you world class. Mayweather looked far from the best fighter in the world in his only 2 outings at welter..but he got the W. So did Ricky Hatton. Its about time people respected that.
I'm sorry, mate, are you joking? Margarito, Judah, Shane, Mayweather and possibly Baldomir are all better than Collazo. It's the Shane part that's most ridiculous in your post though. Sure, he's a little past his prime, but if he were back down at 147 he'd get some of his speed back; he's more skilled than Collazo; and he's WAY more powerful than Collazo (in fact, every single WW fighter you mentioned is WAY more powerful than Collazo). If you think Collazo is so great (by virtue of his performance against Ricky), then you must think that he's a top 10 p4p fighter (as I suppose you think Ricky is), right?
Ok who's Judah come close to beatin who's top ten p4p? Baldomir better skilled than collazo? really? are u blind? Jus bcos he beat 'super' zab judah? I suppose the 9 fighters that beat baldomir are all better then collazo too. Hows the Shane Mosley remark ridiculous. How much speed do you think he's honestly gone regroup from droppin down 7 pounds? Its not the weight or the added muscle that slows him down. He's slowing down bcos his skills are declining. U see how slow he was against Cruz? You see how Vargas was starting to get through before the swollen eye? I don't think Collazo is a top ten fighter. I'm not sure Hatton even is, but maybe 3 world titles in 10 months proves otherwise.
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I'm quite and optimistic British Boxing fan, I've always rated Hatton and Calzaghe highley, although I'm not a big fan of Lennox Lewis, I don't really consider him British because he fought for Canada as an ameture.
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I think bigragu should do his homework before he slates young Hatton.
Seven weeks before the fight Ricky was scheduled to fight at Light-Welter H.B.O. said the opponent was not box office material and told Hatton to fight the Welter Collazo ( or something along those lines ) hence the not having time to grow into the weight. I can assure you that if he does stay at welter he will be a far tougher proposition next time out.
if that was the case...how in the hell did he get up to 160?..if 7 weeks prior to a fight that was supposed to be at lt welter? Wouldn't he be trying to make weight at that time? so hatton was lining up to fight another bum and HBO made him switch opponents? If it is going to take time to grow into the weight HOW/why was he 13 lbs over the 147 wt just 1 DAY AFTER THE WEIGH IN!?!? do you're damn homework...you don't gain that kind of weight without knowing ahead of time...unless...Hatton is on STEROIDS.....that would make sense...
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It's the same people over and over bashing on Hatton. They're passionate about it too. It's kinda funny. They're just Haters. Let them have PBF.
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@ringside i dont see the reason for rating boxers from where there from?
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I wouldnt say all the yanks on here have a thing against Ricky
Mostly Jtrock and Lawhoops are the ones who slate him.
Ive said it before im not british and its got nothing to do that Ricky is british that i like him.
he is a great fighter and comes to win each every fight and runs from no one.
he has called out PBF who is a greedy scared bitch
hatton conducts himself very well outside the ring aswell and is a likeable guy.
im not a fan of Audley Harrison and he's british
is it because that we have more european champs than ever before that is getting at these certain yanks.
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I wouldnt say all the yanks on here have a thing against Ricky
Mostly Jtrock and Lawhoops are the ones who slate him.
Ive said it before im not british and its got nothing to do that Ricky is british that i like him.
he is a great fighter and comes to win each every fight and runs from no one.
he has called out PBF who is a greedy scared bitch
hatton conducts himself very well outside the ring aswell and is a likeable guy.
im not a fan of Audley Harrison and he's british
is it because that we have more european boxers than ever before that is getting at these certain yanks.
I think with Ricky it's the fact that some of our American friends cant understand why i guy who lets be honest has still a lot to prove is loved and followed so much.
