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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
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almost.... just change the afraid to smart and we'll agree ;)
If raw electricity can shock you...your'e afraid of it...& your'e generally smart enough not to fwock with it again...kinda the same thing as stepping out in front of a moving car or train...
To quote Joe Rogan...FEAR IS A FACTOR FOR HATTON! ;D
That was a good one. :coolclick: all i'm saying is all hatton fans were saying what a great guy he is and how he is a gentleman and a man of his word. Well he said he would give a rematch now hes going back on it. So either he is a little afraid or he ain't the gentleman you guys thought he was.As a fan i know you try to see all the positive in your fighter but something has to give. The guy can't have it both ways and neither can his fans when its convenient to them
It's nothing to do with fear. If he beat Collazo convincingly, he still wouldn't give him a rematch. It's to do with what's good for business. Hatton only plans to be around for 3 years at most. He doesn't have time to get back in the ring with a man that no one would give him credit for beating anyway, as he was expected to blow him away first time around.
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. The term "ducking" is tossed around with abandon on these forums and really it's just nonsense. If I had the choice of fighting a marquee name or fighting Collazo to appease the haters, I'd choose the marquee name every time.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times
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Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
Just read Hatton's comments on fightnews.com. Just as I predicted, he has no intention of giving Collazo a much deserved rematch. I thought he gave Collazo his word there would be a rematch.
Read what he said. Even you Hatton fans can't deny that he is clearly ducking Collazo.
I'd like to see the rematch too, but don't hit out with the ducking crap. Hatton wants the big fights. Collazo is not a big fight. Mayweather, Margarito, Castillo, Gatti. Those are the big fights and Hatton doesn't plan to be around long to entertain your skepticism, just because, shock horror, he didn't blow away one of his opponents. What's that, maybe 1 fight out of 41 that he didn't win convincingly? Oh wow, I guess we should remove him from the P4P list and rag on him until he knocks Collazo out.
I know that your'e a bit sensitive on this matter...& it is like riding a dead horse through the pasture...it's old...& it stinks...& it's a bit uncomfy to discuss...but if you say that the man get's a rematch...give it to him...the next day...don't watch tape & say...errrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmm...maybe I better bail & rethink this...it is the man's title that he was given.
Anywho...Hatton is still a great fighter & all that...but just like so many other fights over the last 2 years...I just think that it was the incorrect decision.
What's done is done...but a draw woulda been better...
Personally, I think it was stupid of Ricky to say immediately after the fight that he would give a rematch. Emotions are running wild and, quite frankly, I think the criticism stung Hatton initially and he genuinely wanted to shut the naysayers up. After having had time to reflect, I completely understand why he wouldn't want to waste his time with a fight that would only interest the die hards.
He did win the fight. Scored round for round, I can't see past Hatton, despite him not looking like a winner when he was hurt in the last round.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times
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Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
Just read Hatton's comments on fightnews.com. Just as I predicted, he has no intention of giving Collazo a much deserved rematch. I thought he gave Collazo his word there would be a rematch.
Read what he said. Even you Hatton fans can't deny that he is clearly ducking Collazo.
I'd like to see the rematch too, but don't hit out with the ducking crap. Hatton wants the big fights. Collazo is not a big fight. Mayweather, Margarito, Castillo, Gatti. Those are the big fights and Hatton doesn't plan to be around long to entertain your skepticism, just because, shock horror, he didn't blow away one of his opponents. What's that, maybe 1 fight out of 41 that he didn't win convincingly? Oh wow, I guess we should remove him from the P4P list and rag on him until he knocks Collazo out.
I know that your'e a bit sensitive on this matter...& it is like riding a dead horse through the pasture...it's old...& it stinks...& it's a bit uncomfy to discuss...but if you say that the man get's a rematch...give it to him...the next day...don't watch tape & say...errrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmm...maybe I better bail & rethink this...it is the man's title that he was given.
Anywho...Hatton is still a great fighter & all that...but just like so many other fights over the last 2 years...I just think that it was the incorrect decision.
What's done is done...but a draw woulda been better...
Personally, I think it was stupid of Ricky to say immediately after the fight that he would give a rematch. Emotions are running wild and, quite frankly, I think the criticism stung Hatton initially and he genuinely wanted to shut the naysayers up. After having had time to reflect, I completely understand why he wouldn't want to
waste his time with a fight that would only interest the die hards.
He did win the fight. Scored round for round, I can't see past Hatton, despite him not looking like a winner when he was hurt in the last round.
So it was okay to waste our time the first time??? He said what he said and he can't take it back. If pbf did this same exact thing you would probably have a lot to say about it.You talk about the big fights but who wants to see him in the big fights besides die-hard fans if he has so much trouble in the small fights. If I saw him for the first time i wouldn't pay $50 to see him again. A lot of people thought he lost and as a man he should wanna prove them wrong like floyd did but i guess he not as much man as floyd is. Hatton all heart. Yeah right.Go back to 140 and beat on smaller men.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by Saddo
bigragu.... Please post like an adult or your posts may get changed by the mods ;)
did you put the "I'm gay" comment on there?! what did I say that was so off or not adult? all i thought I was saying was that if Hatton doesn't give Collazo a rematch he doesn't deserve to have the title...and I would then question his manhood....pls reply.....I want to know..it is never my intention to post any comment not to be taken seriously.....I LOVE boxing...I Coached amateurs this past year and recently got back in the fight game myself.....
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
It's called Karma. where was Jose Antonio Rivera's rematch with Collazo after their RAZOR close match? Nada. Collazo must have been scared.
I love the word "razor." Say it out loud really slow Raazzooooor. It's right up there with "smite"
Hatton smote Collazo down. Is that the past tense of smite? Sounds good.
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It's called Karma. where was Jose Antonio Rivera's rematch with Collazo after their RAZOR close match? Nada. Collazo must have been scared.
Did you follow the whole situation? First of all Rivera didn't want a rematch because Collazo wanted to give him one and Rivera rejected it because he wanted to move up to 154.
So all this Collazo ducked a rematch with Rivera,drop it now cause Rivera didn't want a rematch ;)
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
Just read Hatton's comments on fightnews.com. Just as I predicted, he has no intention of giving Collazo a much deserved rematch. I thought he gave Collazo his word there would be a rematch.
Read what he said. Even you Hatton fans can't deny that he is clearly ducking Collazo.
I'm a huge Hatton fan, But I read the interview, It sounded like Hatton wanted the biggest money fights out there with the last five guys in his career. Kinda punkish I know, BUT WE ALLL WOULD LIKE TO SEE HATTON VS COTTO<MAYWEATHER, and ODLH.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
Well Delahoya said the Hatton fight aint happening. And if Cotto loses then that fights out. And Hatton is moving back down to 140 so Mayweather is out(for now). He is ducking Collazo.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by Starr
Well Delahoya said the Hatton fight ain't happening. And if Cotto loses then that fights out. And Hatton is moving back down to 140 so Mayweather is out(for now). He is ducking Collazo.
and I'm drinking and still you oine of the most boxing knowledgeable chicks I know. :coolclick:
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
Just read Hatton's comments on fightnews.com. Just as I predicted, he has no intention of giving Collazo a much deserved rematch. I thought he gave Collazo his word there would be a rematch.
Read what he said. Even you Hatton fans can't deny that he is clearly ducking Collazo.
Nothin new mate, hatton gave his "word" (whatever thats worth these days) to kostya if he wanted a rematch hed give him one...then he comes out and says to the press he wouldnt give kostya a rematch coz theres no need. Now hes done the same to collazo.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
Collazo outdid Hatton and clearly should have won. Hatton barely landed any punches. It was a boring fight, with Hatton holding all the time and not throwing punches. Hatton looked terrible. Collazo was ripped off. He clearly won the fight. Even with being knocked down in the first round.
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Collazo outdid Hatton and clearly should have won. Hatton barely landed any punches. It was a boring fight, with Hatton holding all the time and not throwing punches. Hatton looked terrible. Collazo was ripped off. He clearly won the fight. Even with being knocked down in the first round.
I agree that Hatton looked bad and I scored it a draw. I think Hatton actually landed a few more--they were just less effective.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times
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Just read Hatton's comments on fightnews.com. Just as I predicted, he has no intention of giving Collazo a much deserved rematch. I thought he gave Collazo his word there would be a rematch.
Read what he said. Even you Hatton fans can't deny that he is clearly ducking Collazo.
I'd like to see the rematch too, but don't hit out with the ducking crap. Hatton wants the big fights. Collazo is not a big fight. Mayweather, Margarito, Castillo, Gatti. Those are the big fights and Hatton doesn't plan to be around long to entertain your skepticism, just because, shock horror, he didn't blow away one of his opponents. What's that, maybe 1 fight out of 41 that he didn't win convincingly? Oh wow, I guess we should remove him from the P4P list and rag on him until he knocks Collazo out.
I know that your'e a bit sensitive on this matter...& it is like riding a dead horse through the pasture...it's old...& it stinks...& it's a bit uncomfy to discuss...but if you say that the man get's a rematch...give it to him...the next day...don't watch tape & say...errrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmm...maybe I better bail & rethink this...it is the man's title that he was given.
Anywho...Hatton is still a great fighter & all that...but just like so many other fights over the last 2 years...I just think that it was the incorrect decision.
What's done is done...but a draw woulda been better...
Personally, I think it was stupid of Ricky to say immediately after the fight that he would give a rematch. Emotions are running wild and, quite frankly, I think the criticism stung Hatton initially and he genuinely wanted to shut the naysayers up. After having had time to reflect, I completely understand why he wouldn't want to
waste his time with a fight that would only interest the die hards.
He did win the fight. Scored round for round, I can't see past Hatton, despite him not looking like a winner when he was hurt in the last round.
So it was okay to waste our time the first time??? He said what he said and he can't take it back. If pbf did this same exact thing you would probably have a lot to say about it.You talk about the big fights but who wants to see him in the big fights besides die-hard fans if he has so much trouble in the small fights. If I saw him for the first time i wouldn't pay $50 to see him again. A lot of people thought he lost and as a man he should wanna prove them wrong like floyd did but i guess he not as much man as floyd is. Hatton all heart. Yeah right.Go back to 140 and beat on smaller men.
It's a waste of time because he has already beaten Collazo. it wasn't a waste of time the first time because they hadn't fought each other. And yes, it was stupid of him to say he would give Collazo a rematch immediately after the fight.
And Hatton does not have trouble in the "smaller" fights. A world champion southpaw gave him trouble. Big deal. You talk like any P4P fighter should win every fight comfortably. There are no easy fights at the highest level and certain styles are always bound to give certain fighters trouble. Does Collazo deserve a rematch? Yes. Does it mean Hatton is ducking him if he doesn't give it to him? Not in the least. He has bigger fish to fry.
And you sound like a kid screaming, "Oh, but he said this after the fight. He can't take it back!!!"
It's like Delahoya said after the Mayorga fight, a fighter's emotions aren't in check after a fight. He said he'd take a week or two before sitting down and thinking about the future. Hatton's pride was simply stung by the criticism after the fight and he was too quick to accept any rematch.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
Just read Hatton's comments on fightnews.com. Just as I predicted, he has no intention of giving Collazo a much deserved rematch. I thought he gave Collazo his word there would be a rematch.
Read what he said. Even you Hatton fans can't deny that he is clearly ducking Collazo.
Nothin new mate, hatton gave his "word" (whatever thats worth these days) to kostya if he wanted a rematch hed give him one...then he comes out and says to the press he wouldnt give kostya a rematch coz theres no need. Now hes done the same to collazo.
I could be wrong, but I don't remember seing Hatton deny Tszyu a rematch. Could you post a link of some sort so I could see that.
Ducking = Scared. Hatton is not scared of Collazo. There are simply bigger fights out there for him. Not sure why that's so dificult for people to comprehend. And enough about the post fight press conference. Things get said when emotions are running high.
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He is ducking Collazo because he knows Collazo put it on his @ss......
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
That's quite dumb to say he is ducking Collazo,why? Did he not win? Ducking is not stepping in the ring with someone through fear,I doubt he has that of Collazo,he just knows he only has a few fights left in his career and he wants the big ones,the ones that would make him $$$!
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
Let collazo beat someone of note, even a Zab Judah! :P
then he'll get his rematch, it was close but i wouldnt go as far to say 'contraversal' let alone a robbery.
If collazo can put himself back into the mix then i'm sure it will happen down the line.
Though Collazo has demosntrated hes a slick boxer, and many may wish to avoid him, i just hope the hatton exposure will give him an oppituinity to beat a top 10 welter and then he can have his rematch.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
Just read Hatton's comments on fightnews.com. Just as I predicted, he has no intention of giving Collazo a much deserved rematch. I thought he gave Collazo his word there would be a rematch.
Read what he said. Even you Hatton fans can't deny that he is clearly ducking Collazo.
Nothin new mate, hatton gave his "word" (whatever thats worth these days) to kostya if he wanted a rematch hed give him one...then he comes out and says to the press he wouldnt give kostya a rematch coz theres no need. Now hes done the same to collazo.
WTF??
When has Zoo claimed he wanted a rematch???????????????/
Im quite eager to find out when he said this?
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
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Just read Hatton's comments on fightnews.com. Just as I predicted, he has no intention of giving Collazo a much deserved rematch. I thought he gave Collazo his word there would be a rematch.
Read what he said. Even you Hatton fans can't deny that he is clearly ducking Collazo.
I'd like to see the rematch too, but don't hit out with the ducking crap. Hatton wants the big fights. Collazo is not a big fight. Mayweather, Margarito, Castillo, Gatti. Those are the big fights and Hatton doesn't plan to be around long to entertain your skepticism, just because, shock horror, he didn't blow away one of his opponents. What's that, maybe 1 fight out of 41 that he didn't win convincingly? Oh wow, I guess we should remove him from the P4P list and rag on him until he knocks Collazo out.
I know that your'e a bit sensitive on this matter...& it is like riding a dead horse through the pasture...it's old...& it stinks...& it's a bit uncomfy to discuss...but if you say that the man get's a rematch...give it to him...the next day...don't watch tape & say...errrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmm...maybe I better bail & rethink this...it is the man's title that he was given.
Anywho...Hatton is still a great fighter & all that...but just like so many other fights over the last 2 years...I just think that it was the incorrect decision.
What's done is done...but a draw woulda been better...
Personally, I think it was stupid of Ricky to say immediately after the fight that he would give a rematch. Emotions are running wild and, quite frankly, I think the criticism stung Hatton initially and he genuinely wanted to shut the naysayers up. After having had time to reflect, I completely understand why he wouldn't want to
waste his time with a fight that would only interest the die hards.
He did win the fight. Scored round for round, I can't see past Hatton, despite him not looking like a winner when he was hurt in the last round.
So it was okay to waste our time the first time??? He said what he said and he can't take it back. If pbf did this same exact thing you would probably have a lot to say about it.You talk about the big fights but who wants to see him in the big fights besides die-hard fans if he has so much trouble in the small fights. If I saw him for the first time i wouldn't pay $50 to see him again. A lot of people thought he lost and as a man he should wanna prove them wrong like floyd did but i guess he not as much man as floyd is. Hatton all heart. Yeah right.Go back to 140 and beat on smaller men.
It's a waste of time because he has already beaten Collazo. it wasn't a waste of time the first time because they hadn't fought each other. And yes, it was stupid of him to say he would give Collazo a rematch immediately after the fight.
And Hatton does not have trouble in the "smaller" fights. A world champion southpaw gave him trouble. Big deal. You talk like any P4P fighter should win every fight comfortably. There are no easy fights at the highest level and certain styles are always bound to give certain fighters trouble. Does Collazo deserve a rematch? Yes. Does it mean Hatton is ducking him if he doesn't give it to him? Not in the least. He has bigger fish to fry.
And you sound like a kid screaming, "Oh, but he said this after the fight. He can't take it back!!!"
It's like Delahoya said after the Mayorga fight, a fighter's emotions aren't in check after a fight. He said he'd take a week or two before sitting down and thinking about the future. Hatton's pride was simply stung by the criticism after the fight and he was too quick to accept any rematch.
You are now the proud owner of 201 cool clicks for that brilliant post. Absolutely spot on. How in the hell can you be ducking a fighter you have just beaten??
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
i have just seen the fight for the first time this morning on sky and I believe Collazo won by one round. How Hatton got in by three rounds is beyond me. It was a hard fight to judge though, Hatton had better work rat, but Collazo landed nearly all the best punches. As for the ref, he must have been blind not not to see Collazo put Ricky down in the last round, and this is from someone who likes Ricky Hatton, who did show terrific heart in the fight.
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It's a waste of time because he has already beaten Collazo. it wasn't a waste of time the first time because they hadn't fought each other. And yes, it was stupid of him to say he would give Collazo a rematch immediately after the fight.
And Hatton does not have trouble in the "smaller" fights. A world champion southpaw gave him trouble. Big deal. You talk like any P4P fighter should win every fight comfortably. There are no easy fights at the highest level and certain styles are always bound to give certain fighters trouble. Does Collazo deserve a rematch? Yes. Does it mean Hatton is ducking him if he doesn't give it to him? Not in the least. He has bigger fish to fry.
And you sound like a kid screaming, "Oh, but he said this after the fight. He can't take it back!!!"
It's like Delahoya said after the Mayorga fight, a fighter's emotions aren't in check after a fight. He said he'd take a week or two before sitting down and thinking about the future. Hatton's pride was simply stung by the criticism after the fight and he was too quick to accept any rematch.
You are now the proud owner of 201 cool clicks for that brilliant post. Absolutely spot on. How in the hell can you be ducking a fighter you have just beaten??
Cheers, mate.
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Also, on the fear subject. If my memory serves me, I believe it was Hatton that was taking the fight to Collazo from round 1 to the final bell. In fact, when Collazo stunned Ricky in the 12th round Ricky still came forward and within 20-30 seconds he was in control of the round yet again.
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Re: Big surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch
If Ricky agreed to give Collazo a rematch would he have to face Urkal as the mandatory challenger before it could happen? If so and Ricky vacated, would Collazo want a rematch with nothing but pride at stake?
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That's quite dumb to say he is ducking Collazo,why? Did he not win? Ducking is not stepping in the ring with someone through fear,I doubt he has that of Collazo,he just knows he only has a few fights left in his career and he wants the big ones,the ones that would make him $$$!
Making complete sense :coolclick: to ya
And Clydey your arguements are much the same :coolclick: again.
The key factor is how long Hatton has left. His style means he will probably be shot at some point in his early thirties so he needs Mayweather, Cotto, Castillo etc quick. He cant fwock about giving rematches to anyone that wants them. Just because its a close decision, why does Collazo need a rematch. Should every fight have to be a complete and utter blow out for it to not be disputed. I swear some people on these forums just take the minority view and argue it to the death for fun. In my few months on the forum, Ive only seen one big fight where everyone was agreed on the winner and that was Calzaghe Lacy. Sometimes people you just have to stop think and let common sense take control
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That's quite dumb to say he is ducking Collazo,why? Did he not win? Ducking is not stepping in the ring with someone through fear,I doubt he has that of Collazo,he just knows he only has a few fights left in his career and he wants the big ones,the ones that would make him $$$!
Making complete sense :coolclick: to ya
And Clydey your arguements are much the same :coolclick: again.
The key factor is how long Hatton has left. His style means he will probably be shot at some point in his early thirties so he needs Mayweather, Cotto, Castillo etc quick. He cant fwock about giving rematches to anyone that wants them. Just because its a close decision, why does Collazo need a rematch. Should every fight have to be a complete and utter blow out for it to not be disputed. I swear some people on these forums just take the minority view and argue it to the death for fun. In my few months on the forum, Ive only seen one big fight where everyone was agreed on the winner and that was Calzaghe Lacy. Sometimes people you just have to stop think and let common sense take control
cc BACK MATE.
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bigragu.... Please post like an adult or your posts may get changed by the mods ;)
did you put the "I'm gay" comment on there?! what did I say that was so off or not adult? all i thought I was saying was that if Hatton doesn't give Collazo a rematch he doesn't deserve to have the title...and I would then question his manhood....pls reply.....I want to know..it is never my intention to post any comment not to be taken seriously.....I LOVE boxing...I Coached amateurs this past year and recently got back in the fight game myself.....
I sure did it was a pointless post and i'll remove any crap talking posts... this is a forum to discuss... its not a hate board for kiddies ;)
hope this helps :)
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haha....did you replace his post with 'I'm gay'? ;D
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haha....did you replace his post with 'I'm gay'? ;D
maybe ;D
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If Ricky agreed to give Collazo a rematch would he have to face Urkal as the mandatory challenger before it could happen? If so and Ricky vacated, would Collazo want a rematch with nothing but pride at stake?
Yes Collazo would still fight him with nothing but pride at stake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Collazo is old news, Hatton has nothing to prove against him other than whether he can deal with a southpaw a bit better....He won the fight, let him move on and give us another thriller like the Tszyu fight.
