Why isn't Hopkins fighting Calzaghe?

The better question is, why isn't Calzaghe fighting...anyone?

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Originally Posted by Starr

The better question is, why isn't Calzaghe fighting...anyone?

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Good question indeed.

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-First off watch the name calling. I've given you your respect now give me mine.
-I never tried to make a point about joe not wanting to fight in the U.S. so learn to read.
-You say 1.8 mil should be enough to fight joe when he got about 3 mil to fight howard eastman.Come on if you can get 3 mil for a guy like that shouldn't you get more for a fighter like joe.
-You knock hop for beating smaller guys in trinidad and oscar. Heres a question;Do you think Marvin Hagler is great? He too made his name by fighting smaller fighters (duran,hearns,srl).At the end of the day those two fighters are better than anyone joe has ever has or probably will face.
-I was just bringing up roy to show the kinda comp hes been in with. If he only fought roy and then retired he would still have retired fighting better opposition than joe has ever fought.
-Bringing up robin reid in this conversation was a joke right? Please tell me that was a joke?
-I don't even like Lacy. I need to" respect him or shut up about him". What are you two dating or something? Are you defending his honor? Get a life.

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:coolclick: Some good points.

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-I never tried to make a point about Joe not wanting to fight in the U.S. so learn to read.

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Your right there, someone said that a post above yours, what can i say? a firday night, few to many drinks, eyes sight not quite what it should be;)

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-You say 1.8 mil should be enough to fight Joe when he got about 3 mil to fight Howard eastman.Come on if you can get 3 mil for a guy like that shouldn't you get more for a fighter like Joe.

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when i said 1.8mil i was talking in UK pounds, 1.8mil in UK pounds then was equal to $3mil. Also, the easterman fight took place around 4 years after warren tried to get hopkins to fight calzaghe in the us. During that time hopkins went on to pick up the WBA belt from William joppy, beat 'the golden boy' making an even bigger name for him self - but yet getting the same payday... Also during that time he fought people like; Carl Daniels and Morrade Hakkar (although i think Hakkar was a mandatory fight, I'm not certain though) something tells me hapkins didn't get $3mill each form those fights both taking place in Pa... seems not even a decent venue wanted to host either fight.

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-You knock hop for beating smaller guys in Trinidad and Oscar. Heres a question;Do you think Marvin Hagler is great? He too made his name by fighting smaller fighters (duran,hearns,srl).At the end of the day those two fighters are better than anyone Joe has ever has or probably will face.

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I never once 'knocked him' please show me one derogatory word i said about him? there is a subtle difference in discouraging an opinion and knocking one, all i did was point out beating great fighters at a weight they are far form being their best at is not a good enough reason to glorify someone.

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-I was just bringing up Roy to show the kinda comp hes been in with. If he only fought Roy and then retired he would still have retired fighting better opposition than Joe has ever fought.

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And i was just pointing out he fought Jones 'coz he had pretty much no other choice. He talked about wanting to fight RJJ again after he beat Trinidad but again nothing came of it...

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-Bringing up robin Reid in this conversation was a joke right? Please tell me that was a joke?

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Why? he was better than 90% of the fighters hopkins beat

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-I don't even like Lacy. I need to" respect him or shut up about him". What are you two dating or something? Are you defending his honor? Get a life.

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'Coz its getting extremely tidies reading this constant crap over and over, commenting on it (last time i checked it was a forum to give opinions) - that means i don't have a life and i am dating him?

Its starting to get extremely pathetic the fact calzaghe and hopkins have very similar career history's. Both great champions for a long time (Jc still is ofc) neither fighter got the chance to beat a world beater natural to that weight, or in his prime to win or defend their tittles..

Yet, hopkins now coming to the end of his career is looked back upon as a legend, a hall of Former - a true boxing great...

Where as calzaghe is looked upon as a guy who only beat one well known guy, and then the guy was 'overrated' Jc is someone 'ducked' people and wouldn't fight outside of the UK...

Swap their nationalities and it would be Hopkins the one being condemned and calzaghe the one being hyped...

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

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Originally Posted by raleights

I see what you're saying, and I have a question for you since I'm obviously not qualified to answer this

Is Joe a stylistic nightmare for Hopkins?

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Well i think at 40 years old yes but i do think hop would have been too much for joe about 4 years ago.Keep in mind i only give joe the edge now because his work rate would be alot higher than hops but i in no way think joe is a better boxer than hop.

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Agreed.

Again though...not the style...the output.

Hopkins is still cagey enough to beat Calzaghe.

The showing against Lacy would not be remotely close to the output against Hopkins.

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i love both othese guys wacko, but at this stage, calzaghe decisions b hop...

a few years ago different story though....

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-I never tried to make a point about Joe not wanting to fight in the U.S. so learn to read.

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Your right there, someone said that a post above yours, what can i say? a firday night, few to many drinks, eyes sight not quite what it should be;)

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-You say 1.8 mil should be enough to fight Joe when he got about 3 mil to fight Howard eastman.Come on if you can get 3 mil for a guy like that shouldn't you get more for a fighter like Joe.

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when i said 1.8mil i was talking in UK pounds, 1.8mil in UK pounds then was equal to $3mil. Also, the easterman fight took place around 4 years after warren tried to get hopkins to fight calzaghe in the us. During that time hopkins went on to pick up the WBA belt from William joppy, beat 'the golden boy' making an even bigger name for him self - but yet getting the same payday... Also during that time he fought people like; Carl Daniels and Morrade Hakkar (although i think Hakkar was a mandatory fight, I'm not certain though) something tells me hapkins didn't get $3mill each form those fights both taking place in Pa... seems not even a decent venue wanted to host either fight.

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-You knock hop for beating smaller guys in Trinidad and Oscar. Heres a question;Do you think Marvin Hagler is great? He too made his name by fighting smaller fighters (duran,hearns,srl).At the end of the day those two fighters are better than anyone Joe has ever has or probably will face.

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I never once 'knocked him' please show me one derogatory word i said about him? there is a subtle difference in discouraging an opinion and knocking one, all i did was point out beating great fighters at a weight they are far form being their best at is not a good enough reason to glorify someone.

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-I was just bringing up Roy to show the kinda comp hes been in with. If he only fought Roy and then retired he would still have retired fighting better opposition than Joe has ever fought.

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And i was just pointing out he fought Jones 'coz he had pretty much no other choice. He talked about wanting to fight RJJ again after he beat Trinidad but again nothing came of it...

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-Bringing up robin Reid in this conversation was a joke right? Please tell me that was a joke?

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Why? he was better than 90% of the fighters hopkins beat

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

-I don't even like Lacy. I need to" respect him or shut up about him". What are you two dating or something? Are you defending his honor? Get a life.

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'Coz its getting extremely tidies reading this constant crap over and over, commenting on it (last time i checked it was a forum to give opinions) - that means i don't have a life and i am dating him?

Its starting to get extremely pathetic the fact calzaghe and hopkins have very similar career history's. Both great champions for a long time (Jc still is ofc) neither fighter got the chance to beat a world beater natural to that weight, or in his prime to win or defend their tittles..

Yet, hopkins now coming to the end of his career is looked back upon as a legend, a hall of Former - a true boxing great...

Where as calzaghe is looked upon as a guy who only beat one well known guy, and then the guy was 'overrated' Jc is someone 'ducked' people and wouldn't fight outside of the UK...

Swap their nationalities and it would be Hopkins the one being condemned and calzaghe the one being hyped...

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I stopped reading when you said Robin Reid was better than 90% of hopkins opponents. You have a right to your opinion but you told me to shut up and respect him. That ain't an opinion thats an order and I don't take orders from calzaghe fans cause just like joe the stuff that comes out there mouths means nothing. Have a nice day.