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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
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Originally Posted by jbirdy
what the F***?? i havent been online for a while. no way floyd. there has got to be some wierd psychology behind that. its a buisness yeah, but it can't be about the money that much for you to train someone to hammer your own son. iv'e been to holland by the way. and i saw an advert with vitali and wladamir selling some kind of kinder egg thing. no word of a lie.
It's boxing...and business....he knows the chances of his son being severely injured are minimal.....and why wouldn't he wan't his son to be apart of the biggest fight in 10 years.....and his life....
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
First off there is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. They are trying to punch each other, so it wouldn't be luck.
Second, I don't know if Forrest of ODH hits harder, but both hit harder than PBF.
Third, I said Mosley has a great chin, I didn't say PBF doesn't. To be honest I don't know about PBF, but he looked a little shook by Judah, and ODH hits harder than Judah.
Fourth PBF will not be able to spend the whole fight without getting hit. If he throws punches he will take some as well. I am not a ODH fan, I just know when a fighter is over matched. PBF isn't big enough for this weight class and when he fights a complete fighter he will lose. As much as I have disliked ODH he is a complete fighter.
It's luck if your eyes are closed...like tarver in the second RJJ fight...
And Delahoya's power is extremely overrated...believe he only got the KO's over Vargas and Mayorga because they were ruined by tito trinidad...
Proof is in the fact that Vernon forrest dropped shane mosely twice but couldn't drop mayorga even when mayorga gave him free shots...
According to you Delahoya did land good shots on Shane but shane was never hurt...Forrest dropped him twice but couldn't drop Mayorga...Oscar couldn't drop shane but KO'ed Mayorga only after Ricardo got ruined by Tito...So Oscar got to display his power on Mayorga only after tito cleaned up vargas and Mayorga...
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For some reason the Oscar fans on this site think that a De La Hoya Vs PBF fight will be similiar to the Mayorga fight and that PBF is going to stand there and trade with Oscar!!!!!!! Wrong. PBF will not be there to hit like Mayorga, and instead of looking for one big blow he will pelt Oscar with shot after shot all night long. If you want an example watch the Whitaker Vs De La Hoya fight where Oscar could not find Pernell all night long. Picture that but with alot more offense from his opponent. Another thing is that Oscar's greatest victories came against Mayorga and Vargas, two fighters that were beaten half to death against Trinidad and both showed signs of slowing down before they lost to Oscar. Now this great punching power I hear about Oscar did not work against
Trinidad- who he hit with his best shot's and could not finish nor wobble
Mosley 1 and 2- Mosley was never in trouble of being knocked out and almost knocked Oscar out in the 9th round of the second fight.
Hopkins- Could not even come close to hurting
Sturm- Never Hurt
Whitaker- Never could hit him
Quartey- Had him in trouble in the 12th and hit him with his best shots wide open and could not finish him (judges robbed quartey)
These are the fighters that he faced at their peak's and never showed signs of slowing down yet his punching power was not a factor, so what's this myth about his punching power. Floyd would have beaten Oscar in his prime yet alone now.
excellent post but...
i don't think PBF would of beaten Mosely at 147 six years ago and probably wouldn't today. Mosely jumped straight from lightweight to welter carrying his timing, speed, power and combinations into the 1st Oscar fight at 147. It was a very close fight and I don't believe Floyd would of faired any better than Oscar infact I think he would of done worse. You really think lil'Floyd would of actually done better in any of those fights?
Floyd v Trinidad (undeafeted 1999 version) 147lb
Floyd v Mosely (undefeated 2000 version) 147lb
Floyd v Hopkins (undisputed MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Sturm (undefeated MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Whitaker (40-1 WBC Champ) 147lb
Floyd v Quartley (34-0 WBA Champ) 147lb
Floyd has only fought 2 fights at 147lb against 2 very good 140lb boxers that have both previously been destroyed in the ring physically and mentally in a lower division! PBF has shown me nothing at 147lb to convince me he could win any of the above fights when Oscar fought them. I suppose you think Floyd could of destroyed Mayorga at 154lb like Oscar did too?
I' am 100% sure Oscar could beat PBF at 147 but I got a gut feeling he will lose the decision and you watch the controversy after the fight.
PBF, other than moving up too fast, would have beaten the S*** out of all them except mosely...tito got outboxed by delahoya and oscar can't box like PBF...and of those seven fights oscar lost 4...the other three where extremely controversial victories...
point is oscar has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter and it won't happen against PBF unless the planets line up, pigs fly, snow in june in miami, or some miraculous anotonio tarver eyes closed lucky punch lands on pbf...other than that he will be beaten and quite easily at that....
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fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them. What A-list fighters has Floyd hung with? Zab Judah... or maybe Luis Castillo at 135lb...
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
First off there is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. They are trying to punch each other, so it wouldn't be luck.
Second, I don't know if Forrest of ODH hits harder, but both hit harder than PBF.
Third, I said Mosley has a great chin, I didn't say PBF doesn't. To be honest I don't know about PBF, but he looked a little shook by Judah, and ODH hits harder than Judah.
Fourth PBF will not be able to spend the whole fight without getting hit. If he throws punches he will take some as well. I am not a ODH fan, I just know when a fighter is over matched. PBF isn't big enough for this weight class and when he fights a complete fighter he will lose. As much as I have disliked ODH he is a complete fighter.
well said.
If by held his own you mean he lost? Then yeah he really held his own....And PBF doesn't hold his own against A-rated fighters he beats them, because he's A++...
And if Castillo is A-RATED then certainly Chico is A-rated and so is hernadez and chavez and floyd beat them all.....and if you want to come back say that only Castillo is the only a-rated fighter then floyd still beat him twice and those are 2 victories over A-rated competition whereas Oscar has ZERO wins over A-rated competition....OSCAR HAS NEVER BEATEN PRIME A-RATED COMPETITION...NEVER...and to think that all of a sudden he will beat an A++ fighter in floyd is just silly...he has about as much of a chance of beating PBF as Mayorga did of beating him which is to hope to land a hard shot and wish that PBF can't take it....other than that OSCAR will be beaten soundedly...
mmm..... I 'am starting to wonder if you have actually seen any of the fights u listed or just the L's on Oscars record. Floyd is going to get hurt for the first time in his career ;) mark my words.
Chavez and Hernandez are 130 pounds!! for christs sake!! You don't think Oscar could KTFO of Manny Pacquiao or Marco Barrera? you may have to revise your A-rated B.S. :P
Seeing as you only judge on result and not performance... do you think lil'Floyd could beat Sturm?
Another L may go on Oscars record after the fight but I gaurantee afterwards you will have a different opinion of him and your boy Floyd. ;)
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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Originally Posted by Starr
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fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them.
right... its the B-rated fighters like Sturm that outbox him. And the A-plus fighters like Hopkins that knocked him out ;)
thanks for the imput my jagged little pill ;D
just out of interest how do you think lil'Floyd would fair against Sturm and Hopkins?
Are we talking about the styles here? Or are we talking about Delahoya being naturally bigger then Floyd. Because unlike Delahoya. Mayweather wasn't being kept at 130 ;) He was natural down there ;) Delahoya was being kept. Delahoya has always naturally been about 147 when they weren't keeping him light. Mayweather has been a 130 or 135. Delahoya is the naturally bigger so of course he could be on deck with 160 pounders. And he got beat by both of them ;) So it's not the matter on if Floyd would win its the matter of would he have done better then Oscar. What I do know is that he would have at least changed his gameplan against Sturm and used his jab more against Hopkins. As opposed to Delahoya who would shoeshine and try to get away which he still fights the same way ;) Just he stopped someone doing it ;)
Are we forgetting that Delahoya ducked a certain fighter named Winky Wright who Floyd at least entertained fighting with the money on the table ;) Delahoya never even walked in the front door. And in his fight with Sturm, you can see why ;)
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
First off there is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. They are trying to punch each other, so it wouldn't be luck.
Second, I don't know if Forrest of ODH hits harder, but both hit harder than PBF.
Third, I said Mosley has a great chin, I didn't say PBF doesn't. To be honest I don't know about PBF, but he looked a little shook by Judah, and ODH hits harder than Judah.
Fourth PBF will not be able to spend the whole fight without getting hit. If he throws punches he will take some as well. I am not a ODH fan, I just know when a fighter is over matched. PBF isn't big enough for this weight class and when he fights a complete fighter he will lose. As much as I have disliked ODH he is a complete fighter.
It's luck if your eyes are closed...like tarver in the second RJJ fight...
And Delahoya's power is extremely overrated...believe he only got the KO's over Vargas and Mayorga because they were ruined by tito trinidad...
Proof is in the fact that Vernon forrest dropped shane mosely twice but couldn't drop mayorga even when mayorga gave him free shots...
According to you Delahoya did land good shots on Shane but shane was never hurt...Forrest dropped him twice but couldn't drop Mayorga...Oscar couldn't drop shane but KO'ed Mayorga only after Ricardo got ruined by Tito...So Oscar got to display his power on Mayorga only after tito cleaned up vargas and Mayorga...
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For some reason the Oscar fans on this site think that a De La Hoya Vs PBF fight will be similiar to the Mayorga fight and that PBF is going to stand there and trade with Oscar!!!!!!! Wrong. PBF will not be there to hit like Mayorga, and instead of looking for one big blow he will pelt Oscar with shot after shot all night long. If you want an example watch the Whitaker Vs De La Hoya fight where Oscar could not find Pernell all night long. Picture that but with alot more offense from his opponent. Another thing is that Oscar's greatest victories came against Mayorga and Vargas, two fighters that were beaten half to death against Trinidad and both showed signs of slowing down before they lost to Oscar. Now this great punching power I hear about Oscar did not work against
Trinidad- who he hit with his best shot's and could not finish nor wobble
Mosley 1 and 2- Mosley was never in trouble of being knocked out and almost knocked Oscar out in the 9th round of the second fight.
Hopkins- Could not even come close to hurting
Sturm- Never Hurt
Whitaker- Never could hit him
Quartey- Had him in trouble in the 12th and hit him with his best shots wide open and could not finish him (judges robbed quartey)
These are the fighters that he faced at their peak's and never showed signs of slowing down yet his punching power was not a factor, so what's this myth about his punching power. Floyd would have beaten Oscar in his prime yet alone now.
excellent post but...
i don't think PBF would of beaten Mosely at 147 six years ago and probably wouldn't today. Mosely jumped straight from lightweight to welter carrying his timing, speed, power and combinations into the 1st Oscar fight at 147. It was a very close fight and I don't believe Floyd would of faired any better than Oscar infact I think he would of done worse. You really think lil'Floyd would of actually done better in any of those fights?
Floyd v Trinidad (undeafeted 1999 version) 147lb
Floyd v Mosely (undefeated 2000 version) 147lb
Floyd v Hopkins (undisputed MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Sturm (undefeated MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Whitaker (40-1 WBC Champ) 147lb
Floyd v Quartley (34-0 WBA Champ) 147lb
Floyd has only fought 2 fights at 147lb against 2 very good 140lb boxers that have both previously been destroyed in the ring physically and mentally in a lower division! PBF has shown me nothing at 147lb to convince me he could win any of the above fights when Oscar fought them. I suppose you think Floyd could of destroyed Mayorga at 154lb like Oscar did too?
I' am 100% sure Oscar could beat PBF at 147 but I got a gut feeling he will lose the decision and you watch the controversy after the fight.
PBF, other than moving up too fast, would have beaten the S*** out of all them except mosely...tito got outboxed by delahoya and oscar can't box like PBF...and of those seven fights oscar lost 4...the other three where extremely controversial victories...
point is oscar has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter and it won't happen against PBF unless the planets line up, pigs fly, snow in june in miami, or some miraculous anotonio tarver eyes closed lucky punch lands on pbf...other than that he will be beaten and quite easily at that....
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fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them. What A-list fighters has Floyd hung with? Zab Judah... or maybe Luis Castillo at 135lb...
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
First off there is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. They are trying to punch each other, so it wouldn't be luck.
Second, I don't know if Forrest of ODH hits harder, but both hit harder than PBF.
Third, I said Mosley has a great chin, I didn't say PBF doesn't. To be honest I don't know about PBF, but he looked a little shook by Judah, and ODH hits harder than Judah.
Fourth PBF will not be able to spend the whole fight without getting hit. If he throws punches he will take some as well. I am not a ODH fan, I just know when a fighter is over matched. PBF isn't big enough for this weight class and when he fights a complete fighter he will lose. As much as I have disliked ODH he is a complete fighter.
well said.
If by held his own you mean he lost? Then yeah he really held his own....And PBF doesn't hold his own against A-rated fighters he beats them, because he's A++...
And if Castillo is A-RATED then certainly Chico is A-rated and so is hernadez and chavez and floyd beat them all.....and if you want to come back say that only Castillo is the only a-rated fighter then floyd still beat him twice and those are 2 victories over A-rated competition whereas Oscar has ZERO wins over A-rated competition....OSCAR HAS NEVER BEATEN PRIME A-RATED COMPETITION...NEVER...and to think that all of a sudden he will beat an A++ fighter in floyd is just silly...he has about as much of a chance of beating PBF as Mayorga did of beating him which is to hope to land a hard shot and wish that PBF can't take it....other than that OSCAR will be beaten soundedly...
mmm..... I 'am starting to wonder if you have actually seen any of the fights u listed or just the L's on Oscars record. Floyd is going to get hurt for the first time in his career ;) mark my words.
Chavez and Hernandez are 130 pounds!! for christs sake!! You don't think Oscar could KTFO of Manny Pacquiao or Marco Barrera? you may have to revise your A-rated B.S. :P
Seeing as you only judge on result and not performance... do you think lil'Floyd could beat Sturm?
Another L may go on Oscars record after the fight but I gaurantee afterwards you will have a different opinion of him and your boy Floyd. ;)
Actually I've seen all of delahoya's controversial fights the ones where he was given the decision and the ones that might have gone either way....regardless of what weight PBF fought at an A-rated fighter is A-rated period....when floyd fought these 130pounders was he not 130lbs himself...of course delahoya should ko manny pac because pac is 130 and oscar is 154....if floyd was a legitmate 147 pounder i'd pick him to beat everybody from 135-160 easily... the only fighter that would give him trouble and possibly beat him is shane mosley..other than that they all would be beaten...
And like i said you don't get credit for putting up a good fight against a good fighter if you're supposed to be great....oscar is supposed to be great but seeing as how he's never beaten a prime great fighter i don't understand how he could be considered great himself...the best prime fighter that oscar beat was IKE and that was extremely close..and quartey is nowhere near the level of PBF....
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
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fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them.
right... its the B-rated fighters like Sturm that outbox him. And the A-plus fighters like Hopkins that knocked him out ;)
thanks for the imput my jagged little pill ;D
just out of interest how do you think lil'Floyd would fair against Sturm and Hopkins?
Are we talking about the styles here? Or are we talking about Delahoya being naturally bigger then Floyd. Because unlike Delahoya. Mayweather wasn't being kept at 130 ;) He was natural down there ;) Delahoya was being kept. Delahoya has always naturally been about 147 when they weren't keeping him light. Mayweather has been a 130 or 135. Delahoya is the naturally bigger so of course he could be on deck with 160 pounders. And he got beat by both of them ;) So it's not the matter on if Floyd would win its the matter of would he have done better then Oscar. What I do know is that he would have at least changed his gameplan against Sturm and used his jab more against Hopkins. As opposed to Delahoya who would shoeshine and try to get away which he still fights the same way ;) Just he stopped someone doing it ;)
Are we forgetting that Delahoya ducked a certain fighter named Winky Wright who Floyd at least entertained fighting with the money on the table ;) Delahoya never even walked in the front door. And in his fight with Sturm, you can see why ;)
Are you serious? PBF gets credit for a rumor that he might fight Winky????? If that's the case Tarver is definitely an all time great cause he entertained fighting Tyson.
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
JonesJr didn't address the fact that Judah hurt PBF.
Whether Forrest or ODH hit harder is irrellevant. BOTH hit harder than PBF and JUDAH.
Judah shook PBF. Judah is lazy and extremely inconsistent. He gave PBF some trouble because he is BIGGER than PBF. ODH is bigger than both of them, and he is capable of fighting consistently the whole fight. He will eventually land a solid shot on PBF, and PBF won't take it well cause he is SMALLER than ODH.
All the talk about A rated or A+ or A+++ fighters is great for video games. Hatton learned his lesson with Collazo. And Floyd will learn his with ODH. PBF has a chance because he will run and box, but more than likely ODH is gonna land a solid welterweight punch and PBF will feel it.
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
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JonesJr didn't address the fact that Judah hurt PBF.
Whether Forrest or ODH hit harder is irrellevant. BOTH hit harder than PBF and JUDAH.
Judah shook PBF. Judah is lazy and extremely inconsistent. He gave PBF some trouble because he is BIGGER than PBF. ODH is bigger than both of them, and he is capable of fighting consistently the whole fight. He will eventually land a solid shot on PBF, and PBF won't take it well cause he is SMALLER than ODH.
All the talk about A rated or A+ or A+++ fighters is great for video games. Hatton learned his lesson with Collazo. And Floyd will learn his with ODH. PBF has a chance because he will run and box, but more than likely ODH is gonna land a solid welterweight punch and PBF will feel it.
Sorry i didn't address it...but yeah judah landed a good straight left but PBF wasn't out on his feet or anything like that...it was a good punch and PBF took quite well...besides tell me who oscar has knockedout that was a real high fighter....to say that oscar hits harder than judah is based off what? surely not his garbage victories over runied vargas and mayorga....
and the trouble judah posed early wasn't because he was bigger it was because athletically judah is as quick both in foot and hands as floyd and he was a lefty..but it was floyd that was coming foward from rounds 3 to 12....to "shake" someone in the ring just means you might have landed a clean punch...but if you take an ass whooping after that who cares that you landed a flush punch...judah probably landed something even harder than that but no one saw it, because floyd showed he can take it on the chin....and floyd fucking used to spar with chris byrd and I know he hits harder than delahoya....
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
I agree Zab got beat up the rest of the fight. Do you think that's how the ODH fight would go? I think the only chance he's got is to run and box. I don't think he can do it well enough for 12 rounds to beat someone that much bigger than him. Plus ODH is fairly fast himself. It's not like PBF's defense is flawless.
Castillo gave PBF hell and ODH is bigger and faster.
I am quite sure that PBF and Byrd weren't going all out in sparring. So it doesn't really matter.
Paul Spadafora tore PBF a new one in that sparring video floating around here. That's sparring, and I don't think it would happen in a fight that way.
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
Did you see that floyd was wearing his shirt in that video..and paul was getting ready for a fight...that was floyd first or second day back in the gym after a lay off....
And castillo at 135 is much faster than 154 pound delahoya not to mention that delahoya's workrate has never been that high...ever..so i seriously doubt that now that he's out of shape that he'll have anything after 6 rounds.
No, i don't think floyd will come forward right away, but once zaps oscars power then he will...no i'm not comparing this fight to PBF-Judah....just like it would be foolish to think that PBF will stand there with his hands down and let oscar hit him like mayorga did...And you don't think floyd can stay focused for 12 rounds, sorry but he's not judah...just ask chico can floyd keep the focus knowing that the other guy can hurt him...
Floyd is on the top of his game...oscar hasn't really looked good since the first mosley fight. But don't get me wrong I do believe that oscar has a shot only because floyd is moving up in weight too fast...and i believe that oscar is one of the most accurate punchers ever...Although I'm picking PBF to win easily... although for the first 4 or 5 rounds i will be extremely nervous and on edge ;)
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
I do believe that if Oscar can get past his problem he has had in the past with fighters with speed
especially PBF, and catch him which Oscar does have the accuracy, PBF will go down!!! KO
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
Oscar couldn't KO Shane, so why would he be able to KO PBF? Shane vs. PBF seems like a more competitive matchup.
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
Not at this point, Shane is a shell of his formerself. I honestly don't enjoy watching his fights anymore, he set a certain standard and can't meet it anymore. PBF would slaughter him
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i think and have always said that even right now shane would be too much for PBF...it would look like a man against a boy...and at 154 floyd would be crushed by shane....shane by UD,SD,KO,TKO.....pbf by SD only.....
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
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i think and have always said that even right now shane would be too much for PBF...it would look like a man against a boy...and at 154 floyd would be crushed by shane....shane by UD,SD,KO,TKO.....pbf by SD only.....
No way,totally disagee.I saw nothing from Shane in his last fight against Vargas which showed me this.Nothing at all,no great movement,hardly any great combinations,PBF would run rings around him all night.
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i think and have always said that even right now shane would be too much for PBF...it would look like a man against a boy...and at 154 floyd would be crushed by shane....shane by UD,SD,KO,TKO.....pbf by SD only.....
No way,totally disagee.I saw nothing from Shane in his last fight against Vargas which showed me this.Nothing at all,no great movement,hardly any great combinations,PBF would run rings around him all night.
I guess that's why PBF has called out every one but shane mosley.... ;)
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
cause shane would be a waste of time for him and the fans, bigger and better fish to fry
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i think and have always said that even right now shane would be too much for PBF...it would look like a man against a boy...and at 154 floyd would be crushed by shane....shane by UD,SD,KO,TKO.....pbf by SD only.....
No way,totally disagee.I saw nothing from Shane in his last fight against Vargas which showed me this.Nothing at all,no great movement,hardly any great combinations,PBF would run rings around him all night.
I guess that's why PBF has called out every one but shane mosley.... ;)
I don't remember Floyd ever calling out many people though and using that theory,he is ducking Roman Karmazin because he said he was not interested in fighting people like Roman Karmazin at 154,I read it ages back. Also,with all due respect to Shane,I don't think he offers PBF that much,I think PBF only mentioned Winky and Oscar because they bring the most glamour,respect and $$$
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i think and have always said that even right now shane would be too much for PBF...it would look like a man against a boy...and at 154 floyd would be crushed by shane....shane by UD,SD,KO,TKO.....pbf by SD only.....
No way,totally disagee.I saw nothing from Shane in his last fight against Vargas which showed me this.Nothing at all,no great movement,hardly any great combinations,PBF would run rings around him all night.
I guess that's why PBF has called out every one but shane mosley.... ;)
I don't remember Floyd ever calling out many people though and using that theory,he is ducking Roman Karmazin because he said he was not interested in fighting people like Roman Karmazin at 154,I read it ages back. Also,with all due respect to Shane,I don't think he offers PBF that much,I think PBF only mentioned Winky and Oscar because they bring the most glamour,respect and $$$
yeah its easy to call out delahoya and winky...stylistically his chances of staying away and beating them to the punch is greater...against shane his foot speed and hand speed would be matched...haven't you noticed that shane fights to the level of his competition? He will and would throw more punches against floyd...and nothing that PBF throws would even bother shane...shane is too strong for him...he would walk right through pbf punches and be fast enough to hit floyd back...floyd is my number 2 all time but i'd pick shane..because shane is my number three..and he has more chances of winning (5-2) Shane ud,sd,md,ko,tko, (5) =PBF SD,MD (2)
And if anyone on here thinks that pbf hits hard enough to stop shane your sadly mistaken...but doesn't matter to me i win either way because they're both amongst my all time favs.... ;D ;)
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can't wait to see this fight, 50/50 imo
although Floyd's gonna be the favourite, Oscar has a good chance of pullin an upset
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
but anyway, im pretty sure ODH hits alot harder than any of Floyd's previous opponents
Alot bigger and almost as fast as floyd... did anyone see the Gatti fight, Oscar showed what real punching power was all about, that was brutal
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fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them.
right... its the B-rated fighters like Sturm that outbox him. And the A-plus fighters like Hopkins that knocked him out ;)
thanks for the imput my jagged little pill ;D
just out of interest how do you think lil'Floyd would fair against Sturm and Hopkins?
Are we talking about the styles here? Or are we talking about Delahoya being naturally bigger then Floyd. Because unlike Delahoya. Mayweather wasn't being kept at 130 ;) He was natural down there ;) Delahoya was being kept. Delahoya has always naturally been about 147 when they weren't keeping him light. Mayweather has been a 130 or 135. Delahoya is the naturally bigger so of course he could be on deck with 160 pounders. And he got beat by both of them ;) So it's not the matter on if Floyd would win its the matter of would he have done better then Oscar. What I do know is that he would have at least changed his gameplan against Sturm and used his jab more against Hopkins. As opposed to Delahoya who would shoeshine and try to get away which he still fights the same way ;) Just he stopped someone doing it ;)
Are we forgetting that Delahoya ducked a certain fighter named Winky Wright who Floyd at least entertained fighting with the money on the table ;) Delahoya never even walked in the front door. And in his fight with Sturm, you can see why ;)
you should go into politics ;) the art of making excellent points whilst not answering the question ;D
I'll take your response as a no. ;D
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fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them.
right... its the B-rated fighters like Sturm that outbox him. And the A-plus fighters like Hopkins that knocked him out ;)
thanks for the imput my jagged little pill ;D
just out of interest how do you think lil'Floyd would fair against Sturm and Hopkins?
Are we talking about the styles here? Or are we talking about Delahoya being naturally bigger then Floyd. Because unlike Delahoya. Mayweather wasn't being kept at 130 ;) He was natural down there ;) Delahoya was being kept. Delahoya has always naturally been about 147 when they weren't keeping him light. Mayweather has been a 130 or 135. Delahoya is the naturally bigger so of course he could be on deck with 160 pounders. And he got beat by both of them ;) So it's not the matter on if Floyd would win its the matter of would he have done better then Oscar. What I do know is that he would have at least changed his gameplan against Sturm and used his jab more against Hopkins. As opposed to Delahoya who would shoeshine and try to get away which he still fights the same way ;) Just he stopped someone doing it ;)
Are we forgetting that Delahoya ducked a certain fighter named Winky Wright who Floyd at least entertained fighting with the money on the table ;) Delahoya never even walked in the front door. And in his fight with Sturm, you can see why ;)
you should go into politics ;) the art of making excellent points whilst not answering the question ;D
I'll take your response as a no. ;D
You didn't ask a yes or know question, you asked how I thought Floyd would fair against Sturm or Hopkins and I told you ;)
