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Being a former light heavyweight and beating Max Baer and going the distance with Louis makes him at LEAST good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Gene Tunney didn't do much with the title, won it from an old Dempsey, defended it twice and retired.
Valuev is the new Carnera
Ruiz or Valuev if he loses to one of the bums he keeps fighting. However I do think he will eventually come into his own and kick somebodies arse whose arse deserves to be kicked!
I figure someone will eventually fight Ruiz or Valuev and just beat the absolute shit out of them. And when it happens I will be VERY happy, Don King and his fighters DESERVE THE WORST!
Lyle Louis stopped him in 7
So did I personally......but in order to win that fight in the judges eyes he would of had to KO Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Ive seen that fight a million times, That left hook Tyson threw hit right on the temple and not his gloves,Quote:
Originally Posted by _the_answer_
This was a Tyson 20 yrs of age, anyone would have gone from that
still not a fan but wouldnt say he was the worst, i think Rahman was pretty crap
anyone who says Holyfield isnt a legend needs their head checked
Leon Spinks.
Title shot at 8th pro fight???? WTF??!!!
After some thought ....can anyone tell me why Buster Douglas should not be considered....one of the/ if not the worst ever?
He's a strange one, because his reign and his capitulation in his first defence were awful, but his performance in winning the title was certainly not one of the worst, infact was one of the best imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Promoter
John Ruiz
A few to make you all laugh....
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=004561
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=003395
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001139
I know there are quite a few more than this....
I look through records all the time, so I look at some of these and wonder,,, HOW??? WHY???
But over all....The one person that sticks out to me, who had one of the worst records a champion could ever have....
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=12072
Alot of people dont realize just how bad it got for Braddock before his comeback...
Trust me, the movie does no justice in explaining the whole story of this mans pivotal career...
When he ended up losing to Joe Louis, he was an old guy....But he was what he was and thats, a Boxer!!
Good luck and enjoy,
Coach
That is funny, and too think they tried to ban Holyfield because he lost his last few fights. Evander can slap some of these stats on the Commissions desk if it ever come up again ! Good post ! CCQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
ruiz= SNOOZE FEST
Lewis=Snooze FEST
Ruiz I agree 100%, but are you talking about Lennox Lewis, he was way over averageQuote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
You know your right on ! , I thought Lewis was boring to watch . He had that play it safe type of style, and rarely took chances., kind of a do enough to win and that’s it kind of mentality, makes for a horrible watch from a fan prospective. He did have his moments but they were few and far between. I think Lewis could have been more exciting as a Champion. part of it is That Manny Steward - Punch and Grab technique. Grabbing as part of a boxing strategy is an illegal tactic. Just like a low blow, The Referees need to take note and start penalizing fighters for excessive holding, its really the main problems in the heavyweight division, A fighter starts getting points taken a way all that holding B.S. would stop .Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
John Ruiz. :laugh:
Who ever was the worst, on the day in qustion that man was Heavyweight Champion of the World. Not a bad Title to have round your kneck, dont you think
Valuev lol!!!!!!
There was a man who was a paper champion during Ali's reign, Ernie Terrell and Yes John Ruiz.
Micheal Dokes and Mike I was so lucky that a worse Heavyweight John Tate was put in front of me Weaver. John Tate lost in the last seconds of the fifteenth round and never recovered again. Good old Ali sparring partner and blown up middleweight Jimmy Ellis. We forgot an old timer Jess I was so lucky the authorities scared the ****out of Jack Johnson for me Willard. Tommy Morrison coould have gone a long way but he had the attention span of a flea after the third round. There were a few more but they tried harder than these guys.
COOL CLICK i couldnt agree more with ya. yeah emanuel stewards got WLAD doing the grab and drain technique too. but atleast Wlad goes for the KO or atleast the TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
John Ruiz lives in this category.
Interesting if that is the case would you say Tyson was at his best? or just overlooked a fighter considered a bum?...If it was a great performance by Douglas then Tyson must have been considered at or least close to his best and if this is the case then Tyson's rep was overblown...If Tyson just overlooked a slob and got taken out, then Douglas must be considered right at the top of the list for "worst champ"....Considering Buster's greatest win to that point was a decision win over Oliver McCall...Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Lewis shouldn't be in this category IMO...he was not that exciting but was a great boxer and champion, i don't need to list the opponents that he has beaten to make a point.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
Why does everyone say Primo Canera was the worst?
Well if you look through this thread they haven't said that ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
No I'm talking abouit throughout history everytime worst heavyweight champ comes up Primo is mentioned, whatw as so bad about him?
What's bad about him is that he is only slightly better than John Ruiz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
He probably wasn't as bad as history reports, I know he was dropped 11 times by Baer, but he was fouled so many times, he sprained his ankle in the first round (when Baer fell on him) and still carried on until round 11. One of the judges had him ahead at the time of the stoppage and he did outbox Baer for large parts of the fight.
Its funny how is still percieved as a giant coz he was only 6' 5 and 250 lbs
From the films I have seen of him he was very slow and lumbering. He was clumsy, and his punches lacked snap, although with 250lbs behind them, I am sure they were effective to a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
On the plus side he was strong and brave with a fair chin.
The big black mark against Carnera of course is his alleged connections with the mob, it makes it very hard to judge which of his fights were legit, and which ones were not.
Thus the boxing community seems to be further down on him, when assessing his place in boxing history.
Primo Carnerra was 6'5" 1/2 and only had 3 fights weighing under 260...his normal fighting weight was about 265...And from I've been told while "only" 6' 5" 1/2 his was massive ala Sam Peter big, only in shape...