Tribute to Gerald McClellan

Yeah but we're talking about a guy who would tie up live dogs so they would just lay there and then he'd sick his pit bulls or rotties on them to massacre them.

In all honesty McClellan did get what he deserved, deaf, blind, scared...kind of like those dogs he tied up

In my eyes theres a big difference between a human life and any animal no matter how domesticated, intelligent or cute it is. Mclellan or anyone else doesnt deserve to be like he is

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Originally Posted by oldschool

In my eyes theres a big difference between a human life and any animal no matter how domesticated, intelligent or cute it is. Mclellan or anyone else doesnt deserve to be like he is

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I don't rightly know about that...

McClellan was intentionally mean and coldblooded...you know of any domesticated animals like that which weren't TAUGHT to be that way?

I'm not saying animals are greater than humans, I just think dogs are better than Gerald McClellan

Fair enough we'll disagree, but i'll continue to doubt whether everyone who's criticised Mclellan on here would feel that harshly towards him if they spent even a short amount of time with him these days. I mean theres people on here who idolise Ibeabuchi, and yet Mclellan gets slated for abusing some dogs

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Originally Posted by oldschool

Fair enough we'll disagree, but i'll continue to doubt whether everyone who's criticised Mclellan on here would feel that harshly towards him if they spent even a short amount of time with him these days. I mean theres people on here who idolise Ibeabuchi, and yet Mclellan gets slated for abusing some dogs

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:coolclick: I agree with you and have been debating this for days with everyone GERALD MCCLELLAN WAS WRONG FOR VISICIOUSLY FIGHTING DOGS PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!! But he did not get would he deserved by being injured the way he is deaf,blind and constant care. The punishment did not fit the crime..

Anyone who celebrates his misfortune should make sure they live there life absolutely perfect and never make a mistake since some are swift to judge..I wouldnt want to wish that on anyone especially for dog fighting....C'Mon his kids have no real functional father.. Like I said LIVE PERFECTLY THEN.

Not to mention Ali was a cheater,Bernard Hopkins convicted felon,Tyson convicted rapist, and other boxers who have checkered pasts..So should they have a wheel chair next to the G-man???

After my initial post early on and not really knowing the stories behind Mclellans history i have given this some thought. The first point I feel is that as a fan of boxing we have been robbed of a potentially tremendous talent. The second point is that the morale arguement regarding his condition as being a justification for what he has done is one that many people will argue for and against this. Personally I would not wish this on anyone and I feel sorry for his kids being robbed of their father to a certain degree. Thats my opinion and I can't argue against someone elses opinion as they are entitiled to it. Some people feel so strongly about certain things and thats a good thing too.

Boxing offers many people a road out of a bad life and perhaps he could have turned his behaviour outside the ring around. When I read some of the stories about him they really horrified me and seeing what happened to the him in the ring was horrifying as well. Like I say as a fan of boxing he was a tremendous boxer. The whole thing though is a terrible story from start to finish.

A tragic story from so many angles no matter what your opinion is .

word :goodpost: CC

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Originally Posted by jtrock

Not to mention Ali cheated on his WIFES,Bernard Hopkins convicted felon,Tyson convicted rapist, and other boxers who have checkered pasts..So should they have a wheel chair next to the G-man??? I dont think so

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sorry for duplicates F$#%ing computers

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Originally Posted by thegreatsd

After my initial post early on and not really knowing the stories behind Mclellans history i have given this some thought. The first point I feel is that as a fan of boxing we have been robbed of a potentially tremendous talent. The second point is that the morale arguement regarding his condition as being a justification for what he has done is one that many people will argue for and against this. Personally I would not wish this on anyone and I feel sorry for his kids being robbed of their father to a certain degree. Thats my opinion and I can't argue against someone elses opinion as they are entitiled to it. Some people feel so strongly about certain things and thats a good thing too.

Boxing offers many people a road out of a bad life and perhaps he could have turned his behaviour outside the ring around. When I read some of the stories about him they really horrified me and seeing what happened to the him in the ring was horrifying as well. Like I say as a fan of boxing he was a tremendous boxer. The whole thing though is a terrible story from start to finish.

A tragic story from so many angles no matter what your opinion is .

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very True ! CC

I dont see it as a tragic story, I see it as an epic, a great day in the world when Gerald McLellan was taken and punished to the highest order.


And I dont feel for his kids, as they wont have a dad to bring them up to tie up dogs and set bulldogs onto them to rip to shreds.

The worl;d doesnt need people like that peice of shit, and his kids are better off without him.

The peice of shit that came out of my arse today is better than Gerald McLellan

And I dont know why his sister maons about Benn not going to see him, why would Benn want to visit such a prick like him, the stupid cabbage!

benn should be knighted! for the destruction he caused to McLellan and ridding the world of a cruel peice of cack....

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Originally Posted by B@rr3r@

I dont see it as a tragic story, I see it as an epic, a great day in the world when Gerald McLellan was taken and punished to the highest order.


And I dont feel for his kids, as they wont have a dad to bring them up to tie up dogs and set bulldogs onto them to rip to shreds.

The worl;d doesnt need people like that peice of S***, and his kids are better off without him.

The peice of S*** that came out of my a*** today is better than Gerald McLellan

And I dont know why his sister maons about Benn not going to see him, why would Benn want to visit such a prick like him, the stupid cabbage!

benn should be knighted! for the destruction he caused to McLellan and ridding the world of a cruel peice of cack....

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Killing animals might be cruel but we're all guilty of it, unless you live purely on cabbage and carrots and wear clothes made of hemp.

Even then if you use pesticides or make no effort to re-home the slugs and bugs you displace when you uproot their food supplies to feed your own selfish stomachs then you too are a murderer without compassion.

My point is that every culture and person on this earth has a different view of what is cruel and what is not. To judge a man purely on his actions that you have read about without having walked in his world, and see life through his eyes you cannot really judge.

McClellan could just as easily be a victim of a horrible culture into which he was born and brought up.

To condemn a man to death purely because you have read an article on him, written by somebody else, quoting what somebody else said about him is just foolish.

...it's not the killing that's bad it's the fighting them for no real purpose other than betting.

Hell I'm no vegan or anything but I don't torture animals like that.

I don't care about McClellan like it or not it ain't changing

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...it's not the killing that's bad it's the fighting them for no real purpose other than betting.

Hell I'm no vegan or anything but I don't torture animals like that.

I don't care about McClellan like it or not it ain't changing

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Yeah but whose to say that fashion, or enjoyable food are more acceptable reasons to kill animals?

At the end of the day EVERY single animal death in the Western World at least is a result of entertainment, the pleasure of a nice leather sofa, the latest trendy trainers, the tastiest burger, its all about entertainment.

Myself I would never want to watch two animals kill each other, but on the other hand I was perfectly happy for somebody else to kill a bunch of cows on my behalf so I could enjoy my nice leather Italian design sofa.

I was also perfectly happy for KFC to kill some animal (probably not a chicken :P) so I could enjoy my Zinger Tower Burger at the weekend.

We are all guilty, there is no one blameless.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...it's not the killing that's bad it's the fighting them for no real purpose other than betting.

Hell I'm no vegan or anything but I don't torture animals like that.

I don't care about McClellan like it or not it ain't changing

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Yeah but whose to say that fashion, or enjoyable food are more acceptable reasons to kill animals?

At the end of the day EVERY single animal death in the Western World at least is a result of entertainment, the pleasure of a nice leather sofa, the latest trendy trainers, the tastiest burger, its all about entertainment.

Myself I would never want to watch two animals kill each other, but on the other hand I was perfectly happy for somebody else to kill a bunch of cows on my behalf so I could enjoy my nice leather Italian design sofa.

I was also perfectly happy for KFC to kill some animal (probably not a chicken :P) so I could enjoy my Zinger Tower Burger at the weekend.

We are all guilty, there is no one blameless.

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:coolclick: Awsome post brotha!!!! I couldnt have said it any better myself... people will spin it anyway they want regardless

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Originally Posted by jtrock

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Originally Posted by bilbo

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...it's not the killing that's bad it's the fighting them for no real purpose other than betting.

Hell I'm no vegan or anything but I don't torture animals like that.

I don't care about McClellan like it or not it ain't changing

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Yeah but whose to say that fashion, or enjoyable food are more acceptable reasons to kill animals?

At the end of the day EVERY single animal death in the Western World at least is a result of entertainment, the pleasure of a nice leather sofa, the latest trendy trainers, the tastiest burger, its all about entertainment.

Myself I would never want to watch two animals kill each other, but on the other hand I was perfectly happy for somebody else to kill a bunch of cows on my behalf so I could enjoy my nice leather Italian design sofa.

I was also perfectly happy for KFC to kill some animal (probably not a chicken :P) so I could enjoy my Zinger Tower Burger at the weekend.

We are all guilty, there is no one blameless.

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:coolclick: Awsome post brotha!!!! I couldnt have said it any better myself... people will spin it anyway they want regardless

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Cheers man, :coolclick: to you too

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Originally Posted by bilbo

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...it's not the killing that's bad it's the fighting them for no real purpose other than betting.

Hell I'm no vegan or anything but I don't torture animals like that.

I don't care about McClellan like it or not it ain't changing

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Yeah but whose to say that fashion, or enjoyable food are more acceptable reasons to kill animals?

At the end of the day EVERY single animal death in the Western World at least is a result of entertainment, the pleasure of a nice leather sofa, the latest trendy trainers, the tastiest burger, its all about entertainment.

Myself I would never want to watch two animals kill each other, but on the other hand I was perfectly happy for somebody else to kill a bunch of cows on my behalf so I could enjoy my nice leather Italian design sofa.

I was also perfectly happy for KFC to kill some animal (probably not a chicken :P) so I could enjoy my Zinger Tower Burger at the weekend.

We are all guilty, there is no one blameless.

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Yes because you USE the animal which is better than just killing them for no reason whatsoever

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by bilbo

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...it's not the killing that's bad it's the fighting them for no real purpose other than betting.

Hell I'm no vegan or anything but I don't torture animals like that.

I don't care about McClellan like it or not it ain't changing

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Yeah but whose to say that fashion, or enjoyable food are more acceptable reasons to kill animals?

At the end of the day EVERY single animal death in the Western World at least is a result of entertainment, the pleasure of a nice leather sofa, the latest trendy trainers, the tastiest burger, its all about entertainment.

Myself I would never want to watch two animals kill each other, but on the other hand I was perfectly happy for somebody else to kill a bunch of cows on my behalf so I could enjoy my nice leather Italian design sofa.

I was also perfectly happy for KFC to kill some animal (probably not a chicken :P) so I could enjoy my Zinger Tower Burger at the weekend.

We are all guilty, there is no one blameless.

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Yes because you USE the animal which is better than just killing them for no reason whatsoever

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Ah ok, so I guess Jeffey Dahma should have got a lighter sentence because he ate his victims or that weird buffalo bill in silence of the lambs is ok because he made a nice skin suit of those he slaughtered?

I'm not even joking here.

I cannot understand the world (you are far from alone in your view Lyle) that justifies killing an animal as long as it benefits them in some way. So I guess you just have to park your behind on a nice leather sofa else your a** will get chafing will it? And you just NEED those nice trendy new Nike trainers else your feet will fall off?

Or you just HAVE to have bacon and eggs for breakfast because you are vegetable intolerant?

Justifying killing of an animal because you want to wear it on your feet or eat its liver is just as absurd as when I relate the same thing to humans.

Are Dahmer and Buffalo Bill more humane and responsible because they were killing for food or clothes?

I rest my case.

No because they killed humans which are not yet a food source that is accepted in many cultures especially when they occured here in the US.

And Bilbo I appreciate that you're TRYING to make a point but you're falling well short of it.

Go have some tofu and cry yourself to sleep

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Originally Posted by Lyle

No because they killed humans which are not yet a food source that is accepted in many cultures especially when they occured here in the US.

And Bilbo I appreciate that you're TRYING to make a point but you're falling well short of it.

Go have some tofu and cry yourself to sleep

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Nah you're completely missing my point Lyle. I AM a meat eater. I've got a nice leather sofa, leather trainers, I drive everywhere with a hole in my exhaust and a car that leaks oil.

I eat meat of all kinds, even the strange rat/pigeon hybrid creature that KFC attempt to pass off as chicken!

My point is that I can see that I am just as guilty as anybody else who either fights dogs, cockerals, goes to bull fights or takes part in fox hunting.

The end result is the same, death to the animal.

Trust me a animal doesn't feel better because he's going to be made into a nice handbag or that he's going to provide you with a nice healthy dose of protein.

Death is death is death.

I'm sure an animal doesn't feel better knowing he/she/it is going to become something other than ALIVE.

But here is where the whole I'm a human, I look out for #1, which would be ME...when I can afford to be nice I do it if I have to sacrifice stuff I need (to fill Maslow's heirarchy of needs) I might not be nice or merciful.

MY POINT was that the pointless killing of animals is MORE bad than the killing of animals for food, clothing, shelter, etc.


Think about the life of a beef cow as opposed to the life of one of Gerald McClellan's fighting dogs....I would have rather been the cow

I am presuming we are all here on this forum because we are boxing fans. On this presumption I do not think anyone who enjoys a sport that involves one human being trying to make another human being unconscious by punching him/her to the head, can be too moralistic.

I am as guilty as anyone for getting on my :soapbox: with issues, but I fully accept to a large degree I am being a hypocrite and deserve the mocking I sometimes get. ;)

McClellan was all by accounts far from being a perfect human being. But did he deserve what happen to him?

Well that is a personal call.

What I would say is this, even if your a Vegan, everytime you sit your beambag you are killing Millions of bugs, that live there.

Just because that live is 32 cells or whatever it is, is it any less worthy? After all you are arguing that less sophisticated animals other than Humans should live...

Is there a level of life sophiscation that is acceptable to kill, and another that is not? And if there is, what is the standard a vegan uses? ;)

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Originally Posted by BK

I am presuming we are all here on this forum because we are boxing fans. On this presumption I do not think anyone who enjoys a sport that involves one human being trying to make another human being unconscious by punching him/her to the head, can be too moralistic.

I am as guilty as anyone for getting on my :soapbox: with issues, but I fully accept to a large degree I am being a hypocrite and deserve the mocking I sometimes get. ;)

McClellan was all by accounts far from being a perfect human being. But did he deserve what happen to him?

Well that is a personal call.

What I would say is this, even if your a Vegan, everytime you sit your beambag you are killing Millions of bugs, that live there.

Just because that live is 32 cells or whatever it is, is it any less worthy? After all you are arguing that less sophisticated animals other than Humans should live...

Is there a level of life sophiscation that is acceptable to kill, and another that is not? And if there is, what is the standard a vegan uses? ;)

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Well done Britkid I agree completely. I trust I can therefore count on your support to engage in some Lyle bullying

:kick: :LOLATYOU:


:P just messing ;D

...uh huh, well I'll remember to be a total asshole when I'm in London ;D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...uh huh, well I'll remember to be a total asshole when I'm in London ;D

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Well then no one will know who you are ;)

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...uh huh, well I'll remember to be a total asshole when I'm in London ;D

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Remember? It's as natural to you as breathing ;D


Just :coolclick: you Lyle, It's only fun and banter :P

I can't be an asshole, I am from the south therefore I must be a gentleman.

cc back Bilbo....I'll even give you one BK

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I can't be an asshole, I am from the south therefore I must be a gentleman.

cc back Bilbo....I'll even give you one BK

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Well being a Southern Gentleman (why am I getting a picture of bosshog in my mind?), you will know our country came that close to supporting your side in that 1861-65 conflict... ;)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I can't be an asshole, I am from the south therefore I must be a gentleman.

cc back Bilbo....I'll even give you one BK

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Hey me and Lyle have exchanged coolclicks!

Maybe there is hope for the Palenstian Isreali conflict after all :beerchug: :drunks:

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I can't be an asshole, I am from the south therefore I must be a gentleman.

cc back Bilbo....I'll even give you one BK

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Well being a Southern Gentleman (why am I getting a picture of bosshog in my mind?), you will know our country came that close to supporting your side in that 1861-65 conflict... ;)

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HA! Boss Hogg....you know that actor was actually quite smart multilingual etc

Yes perhaps there is hope in settling an Israel-Palistine conflict....honestly I would just point the US's nuclear arsenal at them and say get along or go away!

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Originally Posted by oldschool

Fair enough we'll disagree, but i'll continue to doubt whether everyone who's criticised Mclellan on here would feel that harshly towards him if they spent even a short amount of time with him these days. I mean theres people on here who idolise Ibeabuchi, and yet Mclellan gets slated for abusing some dogs

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:coolclick: I agree with you and have been debating this for days with everyone GERALD MCCLELLAN WAS WRONG FOR VISICIOUSLY FIGHTING DOGS PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!! But he did not get would he deserved by being injured the way he is deaf,blind and constant care. The punishment did not fit the crime..

Anyone who celebrates his misfortune should make sure they live there life absolutely perfect and never make a mistake since some are swift to judge..I wouldnt want to wish that on anyone especially for dog fighting....C'Mon his kids have no real functional father.. Like I said LIVE PERFECTLY THEN.

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Really i know this sounds bad but i really couldnt give a fuck. Dogs dont deserve that treatment, and only a sick fuck would do what he did to them. Its god damn karma, you do something bad like that then it comes back to bite you on the arse. I have barely any sympathy for someone who could do that because i have dogs too and if i found out somebody even tried to do that to them then id give them beating of a god damn life time and thats what he got.

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Originally Posted by oldschool

Fair enough we'll disagree, but i'll continue to doubt whether everyone who's criticised Mclellan on here would feel that harshly towards him if they spent even a short amount of time with him these days. I mean theres people on here who idolise Ibeabuchi, and yet Mclellan gets slated for abusing some dogs

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:coolclick: I agree with you and have been debating this for days with everyone GERALD MCCLELLAN WAS WRONG FOR VISICIOUSLY FIGHTING DOGS PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!! But he did not get would he deserved by being injured the way he is deaf,blind and constant care. The punishment did not fit the crime..

Anyone who celebrates his misfortune should make sure they live there life absolutely perfect and never make a mistake since some are swift to judge..I wouldnt want to wish that on anyone especially for dog fighting....C'Mon his kids have no real functional father.. Like I said LIVE PERFECTLY THEN.

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Really i know this sounds bad but i really couldnt give a F***. Dogs dont deserve that treatment, and only a sick F*** would do what he did to them. Its god damn karma, you do something bad like that then it comes back to bite you on the a***. I have barely any sympathy for someone who could do that because i have dogs too and if i found out somebody even tried to do that to them then id give them beating of a god damn life time and thats what he got.

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You right about that. ! My piss gets hot everytime I read this thread ! I love Dogs ! :coolclick:

Sometimes when Im sad, I watch the video of McLellan and it cheers me up no end.

Also the spanish lad, chip, CC matey!