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Everyone knows it is Herol Graham, lost to McCallum by a point unfairly deducted by the ref, Julian Jackson was on the verge of being stopped, cameback from retirement and beat an undefeated Candian fighter and Vinny Paz and then out boxing and knocking down Brewster in his own town before his legs gave way and was prematurely stopped by the bias ref.
When talking about who was the best fighter to not win a world championship, the discussion begins and ends with Graham. You just can't beat him. It's a horrible distinction to be known for but it's true. The guy was insanely talented and choked when it mattered the most.
Nigel benn, eubanks and Watson all avoided him hence why he had to go the non-wbo route.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Colin Jones
He came along just a bit too late.
I would have loved to see Colin fight either Carlos Palomino, Wilfred Benitez or Jose 'Pipino' Cuevas.
Did you read the first post?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
My old buddy from Texas Ike The President Ibeabuchi.
If Ike hadn't called that lying hooker in Vegas You'd have long forgotten the Klitschkos
He was the natural successor to Lennox Lewis
You are forgetting the fact he had severe mental health difficulties which would have got in the way of him becoming and certainly staying champion for any long period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Right again!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou are forgetting the fact he had severe mental health difficulties which would have got in the way of him becoming and certainly staying champion for any long period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
I have to agree with this - Micheal Watson - People who say Bomber Graham should ask themselves this question :Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Who was the best fighter that both fighters beat ?
Herol Graham ? Vinny Pazienza...probably
Micheal Watson ? Nigel Benn........nuff said really
Not to mention Watson won the first fight against Eubank (Yes I know the records books show Eubank got the UD but Eubank got a few dodgy decisons back then) and, watson, well, beat the crap out of Eubank for 11 rounds in the second fight but of course what happened, sadly happened.
Everytime Herol Graham stepped to the highest level, his style was exposed. Prince Naz had a similar style but his power covered up a lot of cracks and even when he stepped up to the very highest level, he too was exposed. Unlike Naz, Graham did not a KO power, to get him out of trouble, nor did he have a style that would go down well with judges and fans, which is maybe why he never got into the Eubank, Benn, Watson and later Collins mix.
But for me - Watson is the clear winner.
You are so wrong that I feel embarrassed for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200I have to agree with this - Micheal Watson - People who say Bomber Graham should ask themselves this question :Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Who was the best fighter that both fighters beat ?
Herol Graham ? Vinny Pazienza...probably
Micheal Watson ? Nigel Benn........nuff said really
Not to mention Watson won the first fight against Eubank (Yes I know the records books show Eubank got the UD but Eubank got a few dodgy decisons back then) and, watson, well, beat the crap out of Eubank for 11 rounds in the second fight but of course what happened, sadly happened.
Everytime Herol Graham stepped to the highest level, his style was exposed. Prince Naz had a similar style but his power covered up a lot of cracks and even when he stepped up to the very highest level, he too was exposed. Unlike Naz, Graham did not a KO power, to get him out of trouble, nor did he have a style that would go down well with judges and fans, which is maybe why he never got into the Eubank, Benn, Watson and later Collins mix.
But for me - Watson is the clear winner.
The best fighter Graham fought was Mike McCallum who he lost a tight split decision when he was unfairly deducted a point by the referee.
This is the same Mike McCallum who later when on to stop Michael Watson in 11 rounds.
None of the 3 English fighters Eubank, Benn and Watson wanted anything to do with Bomber. This is why he fought the top fighters around the world for his title shots.
Lying hooker. Apposed to what? Honorable hooker?Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Ikes' motto, "She lies! She dies!"
You need to improve your reading skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou are so wrong that I feel embarrassed for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200I have to agree with this - Micheal Watson - People who say Bomber Graham should ask themselves this question :Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Who was the best fighter that both fighters beat ?
Herol Graham ? Vinny Pazienza...probably
Micheal Watson ? Nigel Benn........nuff said really
Not to mention Watson won the first fight against Eubank (Yes I know the records books show Eubank got the UD but Eubank got a few dodgy decisons back then) and, watson, well, beat the crap out of Eubank for 11 rounds in the second fight but of course what happened, sadly happened.
Everytime Herol Graham stepped to the highest level, his style was exposed. Prince Naz had a similar style but his power covered up a lot of cracks and even when he stepped up to the very highest level, he too was exposed. Unlike Naz, Graham did not a KO power, to get him out of trouble, nor did he have a style that would go down well with judges and fans, which is maybe why he never got into the Eubank, Benn, Watson and later Collins mix.
But for me - Watson is the clear winner.
The best fighter Graham fought was Mike McCallum who he lost a tight split decision when he was unfairly deducted a point by the referee.
This is the same Mike McCallum who later when on to stop Michael Watson in 11 rounds.
None of the 3 English fighters Eubank, Benn and Watson wanted anything to do with Bomber. This is why he fought the top fighters around the world for his title shots.
I said "Who was the best fighter that both fighters beat ?"
Not fought....beat
Bigger difference and more meaningful is the fighters they fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200You need to improve your reading skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou are so wrong that I feel embarrassed for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200I have to agree with this - Micheal Watson - People who say Bomber Graham should ask themselves this question :Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Who was the best fighter that both fighters beat ?
Herol Graham ? Vinny Pazienza...probably
Micheal Watson ? Nigel Benn........nuff said really
Not to mention Watson won the first fight against Eubank (Yes I know the records books show Eubank got the UD but Eubank got a few dodgy decisons back then) and, watson, well, beat the crap out of Eubank for 11 rounds in the second fight but of course what happened, sadly happened.
Everytime Herol Graham stepped to the highest level, his style was exposed. Prince Naz had a similar style but his power covered up a lot of cracks and even when he stepped up to the very highest level, he too was exposed. Unlike Naz, Graham did not a KO power, to get him out of trouble, nor did he have a style that would go down well with judges and fans, which is maybe why he never got into the Eubank, Benn, Watson and later Collins mix.
But for me - Watson is the clear winner.
The best fighter Graham fought was Mike McCallum who he lost a tight split decision when he was unfairly deducted a point by the referee.
This is the same Mike McCallum who later when on to stop Michael Watson in 11 rounds.
None of the 3 English fighters Eubank, Benn and Watson wanted anything to do with Bomber. This is why he fought the top fighters around the world for his title shots.
I said "Who was the best fighter that both fighters beat ?"
Not fought....beat
Not really. Technically speaking I could fight Deontay Wilder, Klitschko and Anthony Joshua but that does not mean I'm on that level as they would all wipe the floor with me and I would have no chance of beating them. I think it's more about who a fighter beats not who they fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBigger difference and more meaningful is the fighters they fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200You need to improve your reading skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou are so wrong that I feel embarrassed for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200I have to agree with this - Micheal Watson - People who say Bomber Graham should ask themselves this question :Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Who was the best fighter that both fighters beat ?
Herol Graham ? Vinny Pazienza...probably
Micheal Watson ? Nigel Benn........nuff said really
Not to mention Watson won the first fight against Eubank (Yes I know the records books show Eubank got the UD but Eubank got a few dodgy decisons back then) and, watson, well, beat the crap out of Eubank for 11 rounds in the second fight but of course what happened, sadly happened.
Everytime Herol Graham stepped to the highest level, his style was exposed. Prince Naz had a similar style but his power covered up a lot of cracks and even when he stepped up to the very highest level, he too was exposed. Unlike Naz, Graham did not a KO power, to get him out of trouble, nor did he have a style that would go down well with judges and fans, which is maybe why he never got into the Eubank, Benn, Watson and later Collins mix.
But for me - Watson is the clear winner.
The best fighter Graham fought was Mike McCallum who he lost a tight split decision when he was unfairly deducted a point by the referee.
This is the same Mike McCallum who later when on to stop Michael Watson in 11 rounds.
None of the 3 English fighters Eubank, Benn and Watson wanted anything to do with Bomber. This is why he fought the top fighters around the world for his title shots.
I said "Who was the best fighter that both fighters beat ?"
Not fought....beat
But anyway I just think Micheal Watson was a much better fighter than Herol Graham, but that's just my opinion and if someone thinks Graham was a better fighter than Watson, then fair enough.