Who is the greatest in your opinion??

I'd have to say Roy Jones. Seriously, used to hate him for several reasons and none of them had to do with his abilitly. I love the man now (in a totally straight way).

My number 2? George Foreman. Bring it. lol

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If the question is "who is the greatest boxer of all time" then theres one answer IMHO. Ali. I think whilst Great is something you achieve in the ring its also something increased out of the ring. Our Sport has a bad enough rap now. It needs Ambassadors, Its why Tyson just about creeps into my top 10 HWs list. The man did nothing good for the sport outside the ring, despite the fact he was a phenomenon in it.
Ali was too. I never get tired of watching The Thrilla.., or Rumble.. Ever. Add what the man has done away from the ring that reflects well on the sport and my mind is made up.

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Cool Click for you sir. :coolclick: Excellent point about the sport needing Ambassadors.

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Cool click for you sir. Monzon was a stone cold legend, and arguably the greatest middleweight ever. Sadly many people forget about himin the mix.

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If the question is "who is the greatest boxer of all time" then theres one answer IMHO. Ali. I think whilst Great is something you achieve in the ring its also something increased out of the ring. Our Sport has a bad enough rap now. It needs Ambassadors, Its why Tyson just about creeps into my top 10 HWs list. The man did nothing good for the sport outside the ring, despite the fact he was a phenomenon in it.
Ali was too. I never get tired of watching The Thrilla.., or Rumble.. Ever. Add what the man has done away from the ring that reflects well on the sport and my mind is made up.

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Cool Click for you sir. :coolclick: Excellent point about the sport needing Ambassadors.

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I'll say this, I was in an elevator at work the other day, kind of in a shitty mood. Some guys who you could tell were casual fans and nothing more were talking about Ali and how no other boxer in the history of the sport could touch him blah blah blah, without thinking I snickered in the most rude and smart ass way I knew how. Least to say they quit talking and I felt like a dick afterward. The thing is, if you're talking strictly abilities in the ring and not achievements outside of it IMO (and quite a few others) Ali doesn't come close to many of the fighters I've seen. No doubt he's the biggest name boxing has ever seen, simply because of the time period he was in. The use of draft dodging combined with the whole muslim religion front made him the huge icon he is. He was just a normal guy who was just as much a sinner as everyone else on here, and was nothing more than excited about the idea of being a muslim - but the people took it one step further and built him up to be this living god. Do you really believe that if Ali had fought in this era he would be beloved in the same way? No, the second he said he was a muslim we'd all say ok, you wanna fly a plane into my house?

one of the greatest heavyweights of all time easily, but heavyweight is the keyword
just an opinion tho, could easily be wrong :-\

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If the question is "who is the greatest boxer of all time" then theres one answer IMHO. Ali. I think whilst Great is something you achieve in the ring its also something increased out of the ring. Our Sport has a bad enough rap now. It needs Ambassadors, Its why Tyson just about creeps into my top 10 HWs list. The man did nothing good for the sport outside the ring, despite the fact he was a phenomenon in it.
Ali was too. I never get tired of watching The Thrilla.., or Rumble.. Ever. Add what the man has done away from the ring that reflects well on the sport and my mind is made up.

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Cool Click for you sir. :coolclick: Excellent point about the sport needing Ambassadors.

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I'll say this, I was in an elevator at work the other day, kind of in a shitty mood. Some guys who you could tell were casual fans and nothing more were talking about Ali and how no other boxer in the history of the sport could touch him blah blah blah, without thinking I snickered in the most rude and smart a** way I knew how. Least to say they quit talking and I felt like a dick afterward. The thing is, if you're talking strictly abilities in the ring and not achievements outside of it IMO (and quite a few others) Ali doesn't come close to many of the fighters I've seen. No doubt he's the biggest name boxing has ever seen, simply because of the time period he was in. The use of draft dodging combined with the whole muslim religion front made him the huge icon he is. He was just a normal guy who was just as much a sinner as everyone else on here, and was nothing more than excited about the idea of being a muslim - but the people took it one step further and built him up to be this living god. Do you really believe that if Ali had fought in this era he would be beloved in the same way? No, the second he said he was a muslim we'd all say ok, you wanna fly a plane into my house?

one of the greatest heavyweights of all time easily, but heavyweight is the keyword
just an opinion tho, could easily be wrong :-\

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agreed my friend.
Ali was good, ali was great but not the greatest, his reputation is built on the era, his awesome personallity i mean he was cocky no doubt he had charisma but was he undefeated ..no did he have titles in different wieght classes ..no
i think its cos yeh he knocks out liston in the round he predicted he did alot for boxing and the whole muslim thing.. and yes he was one of the greatest if not the greatest heavywieghts but certainly not the greatest boxer and it bewilders me that the casual fan or even the boxing fanatic will say well roy has lost 3 fights and hes no longer great but ali is thought of as you said nearly in god like proportions and should have damaged his legacy for staying in the business far longer than he should have! but is stil thought of as the greatest, far from it.. i'd like to see the tough assed lighter boxing warriors get some recognition liek chavez, duran (mainstream, he is a legend to most fanatics) and others like them.
jus my opinion baby :P

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Boxing fans voted a UD that the Pernell Vs JCC was the biggest robbery in history. Please tell me your kidding.

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i have never seen the fight so im going just on the result.

but to get to 90 odd fights unbeaten is a major accomplishment

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i have never seen the fight so im going just on the result.

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See if you can order the fight on e-bay, after you see the clinic put on by Whitaker you will be surprised at the draw result.

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i have never seen the fight so im going just on the result.

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Yeah bro, Whitaker won easy. You could argue Whitaker was unbeaten until the Trinidad fight.

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If the question is "who is the greatest boxer of all time" then theres one answer IMHO. Ali. I think whilst Great is something you achieve in the ring its also something increased out of the ring. Our Sport has a bad enough rap now. It needs Ambassadors, Its why Tyson just about creeps into my top 10 HWs list. The man did nothing good for the sport outside the ring, despite the fact he was a phenomenon in it.
Ali was too. I never get tired of watching The Thrilla.., or Rumble.. Ever. Add what the man has done away from the ring that reflects well on the sport and my mind is made up.

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Cool Click for you sir. :coolclick: Excellent point about the sport needing Ambassadors.

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I'll say this, I was in an elevator at work the other day, kind of in a shitty mood. Some guys who you could tell were casual fans and nothing more were talking about Ali and how no other boxer in the history of the sport could touch him blah blah blah, without thinking I snickered in the most rude and smart a** way I knew how. Least to say they quit talking and I felt like a dick afterward. The thing is, if you're talking strictly abilities in the ring and not achievements outside of it IMO (and quite a few others) Ali doesn't come close to many of the fighters I've seen. No doubt he's the biggest name boxing has ever seen, simply because of the time period he was in. The use of draft dodging combined with the whole muslim religion front made him the huge icon he is. He was just a normal guy who was just as much a sinner as everyone else on here, and was nothing more than excited about the idea of being a muslim - but the people took it one step further and built him up to be this living god. Do you really believe that if Ali had fought in this era he would be beloved in the same way? No, the second he said he was a muslim we'd all say ok, you wanna fly a plane into my house?

one of the greatest heavyweights of all time easily, but heavyweight is the keyword
just an opinion tho, could easily be wrong :-\

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agreed my friend.
Ali was good, ali was great but not the greatest, his reputation is built on the era, his awesome personallity i mean he was cocky no doubt he had charisma but was he undefeated ..no did he have titles in different wieght classes ..no
i think its cos yeh he knocks out liston in the round he predicted he did alot for boxing and the whole muslim thing.. and yes he was one of the greatest if not the greatest heavywieghts but certainly not the greatest boxer and it bewilders me that the casual fan or even the boxing fanatic will say well roy has lost 3 fights and hes no longer great but ali is thought of as you said nearly in god like proportions and should have damaged his legacy for staying in the business far longer than he should have! but is stil thought of as the greatest, far from it.. i'd like to see the tough assed lighter boxing warriors get some recognition liek chavez, duran (mainstream, he is a legend to most fanatics) and others like them.
jus my opinion baby :P

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I myself may not call him the "greatest" but many people simply don't understand why he was called the greatest. He was, and sometimes is still, called the greatest because he was the first heavyweight boxer who had the ability to "box." Heavyweights are notorious for their inability to box, in a technical sense, mainly because of their slowness. Most of them can be classified as "slow sluggers" if there is such a classification. Just watch Ali's early fights and try to analyse them without prejudice. You'll be amazed at his footworks, his stamina, his stinging jabs, which by themselves sometimes caused the early downfall of his opponents - that jab that's almost like a straight, and his "dance," yes he dances away gracefully from most of his opponents attack, evading their punches with a continuous dancelike movements and footworks - and what's more amazing is that he did that sometimes for the entire 15 rounds! No other heavyweight boxer before (and even up to now) comes close to him when it comes to the way he boxes technically, even though he may not be the biggest puncher. That's why he was considered, and many still do consider him, "the Greatest." And adding to that, his flamboyance - his controversial character outside the ring - did help him somewhat to gain that title.

MUHAMMAD ALI---EASILY...robinson never had the qualtiy oppositon ali had.

there was never a prime ali...had there been this question would not have 2 b. robinson is considered p4p best boxer, had ali had his prime this wopuld not b the case
ALI beat
the biggest names

the invincible foreman
the invincible sonny liston
joe frazier--2 for 3
ken norton--2 for 3
earnie shavers--old

no other boxer could have done this especially after a 4 yr retirement.

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MUHAMMAD ALI---EASILY...robinson never had the qualtiy oppositon ali had.

there was never a prime ali...had there been this question would not have 2 b. robinson is considered p4p best boxer, had ali had his prime this wopuld not b the case
ALI beat
the biggest names

the invincible foreman
the invincible sonny liston
joe frazier--2 for 3
ken norton--2 for 3
earnie shavers--old

no other boxer could have done this especially after a 4 yr retirement.

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the greatest heavywieght..probably.

pound for pound he would stil be great but not "the greatest".
i jus have to let off steam when people be talkin bout ali is the greatest noone ever got close n then theyr all.. robinson who? leonard who? roy jones who?
get my meaning?
its irritable and i mean what i say in previous posts. but it sounds harsher than it is cos he is great.

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MUHAMMAD ALI---EASILY...robinson never had the qualtiy oppositon ali had.

there was never a prime ali...had there been this question would not have 2 b. robinson is considered p4p best boxer, had ali had his prime this wopuld not b the case
ALI beat
the biggest names

the invincible foreman
the invincible sonny liston
joe frazier--2 for 3
ken norton--2 for 3
earnie shavers--old

no other boxer could have done this especially after a 4 yr retirement.

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the greatest heavywieght..probably.

pound for pound he would stil be great but not "the greatest".
i jus have to let off steam when people be talkin bout ali is the greatest noone ever got close n then theyr all.. robinson who? leonard who? roy jones who?
get my meaning?
its irritable and i mean what i say in previous posts. but it sounds harsher than it is cos he is great.

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Yeah bro, the original Sugar Ray was flawless. Robinson also fought & beat some of the greatest fighters ever: Lamotta, Armstrong, Gavilan, Graziano, Basilio. As well as the best fighters at welter & middle.

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MUHAMMAD ALI---EASILY...robinson never had the qualtiy oppositon ali had.

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Lets see Robinson at one stage stood at a career record of 140-1, Ali finished on 56-5.

Robinson met and beat the following fighters who were, had or would become World Champions

Sammy Angott (three times)
Fritzie Zivic
Jake LaMotta (five times)
Henry Armstrong
Tommy Bell (twice)
Kid Gavilan (twice)
Carl 'Bobo' Olson (four times)
Rocky Graziano
Randy Turpin
Gene Fullmer (one win and a draw)
Carmen Basilio

Ali beat

Archie Moore
Sonny Liston (twice)
Floyd Patterson (twice)
Joe Frazier (twice)
Bob Foster
Ken Norton (twice)
George Foreman
Leon Spinks

I make that 22 wins for Robinson against 12 to Ali

And all of Robinson's victories were against fighters who were THE World Champion in their time, not just an alphabet title holder...

No one in Queensberry Rules Boxing history has the Great to Excellent names, Robinson had on his record.

And like Ali, Robinson cameback and won World Championships after an initial retirement.

and i heard ali got gift decision against ken norton jimmy young earnie shavers i may be wrong because never seen the fights but thats what i heard

henry armstrong was great he won so many titles at different weight divisions my top ten list 10= aaron pryor 9= larry holmes 8= rocky marciano 7= 6= jack johnson 5=roberto duran 4= ray leonard 3= muhammed ali 2= henry armstrong 1= sugar ray robison

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Everyone has seen this but; in my opinion there are 35 Great fighters in the history of Queensberry Rules, they are, in order of Greatness:

35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley
9 Archie Moore
8 Jimmy Wilde
7 Willie Pep
6 Sandy Sadler
5 Georges Carpentier
4 Roberto Duran
3 Sammy Langford
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

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harry greb........but no marciano---the list is f***** up

Carlos Baldomir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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hopkins, de la hoya, sugar ray leonard and robinson and ali

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harry greb........but no marciano---the list is f***** up

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I have The Brockton Blockbuster at #56....

Greb(b) was Greater IMO because:

Only 8 defeats in 299 fights in only 13 years, Harry died in 1926 aged only 32 (Died under anaesthetic in surgery)

Only man to beat Gene Tunney as a pro

Three year reign as Middleweight Champion beating Mickey Walker during his reign.

Beat a Tommy Gibbons, who went into the fight unbeaten (76-0-1-1)

Beat Tommy Loughran and a 45-1 Jimmy Slattery

Also claimed 'Newspaper Decisions' over Gibbons, Tunney, Tiger Flowers, Maxie Rosenbloom, Kid Norfolk, Gunboat Smith, Mike McTigue and Battling Levinsky.

And on top of all this, he fought his entire pro career with only sight in one eye!

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until he beats Margarito it's still Boldizor :)

truthfully, I just wanted to call him Bolzodzir

or was it Boldizor?

My Great P4P List,bear in mind im 14 so i have to depend on video/dvd footage of old fighters

1. Ray Robinson
2. Roy Jones
3. Muhammed Ali
4. Ray Leonard
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Willy Pep
8. Joe Louis
9. Roberto Duran
10. Julio Ceaser Chavez
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Marvin Hagler
13. Tommy Hearns
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Oscar De La Hoya
16. Harry Grebb
17. Mike Tyson
18. Jake LaMotta
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Ruben Olivares
21. Jack Johnson
22. Floyd Patterson
23. Rocky Graziano

My top 5 would go like this:

Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard (& I don't even like that ego tripper)
Monzon
Hopkins
Mayweather (or a toss up with Jones jr)

Woah wacko didn't hit us with the winky wright bomb on this one, hell has frozen over people!

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THIS IS NOT MY LIST - ITS IS THE LIST ON THE SUN (British Tabloid) TOP 10 BOXING DVD

Not a good list!!!!

Ali
Robinson
Louis
Armstrong
Leonard
Johnson
Duran
Holmes
Chavez
Hagler

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looks a good list to me

1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Muhammad Ali
4 Willie Pepp
5 Roberto Duran
6 Jimmy Wilde
7 Benny Leonard
8 Julio Cesar Chavez
9 Roy Jones Jnr
10 Harry Greb

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1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Muhammad Ali
4 Willie Pepp
5 Roberto Duran
6 Jimmy Wilde
7 Benny Leonard
8 Julio Cesar Chavez
9 Roy Jones Jnr
10 Harry Greb

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1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Muhammad Ali
4 Willie Pepp
5 Roberto Duran
6 Jimmy Wilde
7 Benny Leonard
8 Julio Cesar Chavez
9 Roy Jones Jnr
10 Harry Greb

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You having Chavez #7 on your list and not having Whitaker at all should be illegal

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It's based on the fact that Chavez was past his prime when he fought Whitaker - it's all about opinions afterall ;)

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1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Muhammad Ali
4 Willie Pepp
5 Roberto Duran
6 Jimmy Wilde
7 Benny Leonard
8 Julio Cesar Chavez
9 Roy Jones Jnr
10 Harry Greb

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You having Chavez #7 on your list and not having Whitaker at all should be illegal

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It's based on the fact that Chavez was past his prime when he fought Whitaker - it's all about opinions afterall ;)

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Very true, I love to debate. But the only way you can say a fighter is beyond his prime is if he has either loss or has showed signs of slowing down, at the time of the fight Chavez had done niether. He had a brilliant performance before and after the Whitaker fights so how can you say he was out of his prime.

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1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Muhammad Ali
4 Willie Pepp
5 Roberto Duran
6 Jimmy Wilde
7 Benny Leonard
8 Julio Cesar Chavez
9 Roy Jones Jnr
10 Harry Greb

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You having Chavez #7 on your list and not having Whitaker at all should be illegal

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It's based on the fact that Chavez was past his prime when he fought Whitaker - it's all about opinions afterall ;)

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Very true, I love to debate. But the only way you can say a fighter is beyond his prime is if he has either loss or has showed signs of slowing down, at the time of the fight Chavez had done niether. He had a brilliant performance before and after the Whitaker fights so how can you say he was out of his prime.

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1 Sugar Ray Robinson
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Muhammad Ali
4 Willie Pepp
5 Roberto Duran
6 Jimmy Wilde
7 Benny Leonard
8 Julio Cesar Chavez
9 Roy Jones Jnr
10 Harry Greb

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You having Chavez #7 on your list and not having Whitaker at all should be illegal

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It's based on the fact that Chavez was past his prime when he fought Whitaker - it's all about opinions afterall ;)

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Very true, I love to debate. But the only way you can say a fighter is beyond his prime is if he has either loss or has showed signs of slowing down, at the time of the fight Chavez had done niether. He had a brilliant performance before and after the Whitaker fights so how can you say he was out of his prime.

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I dont't think any fighter has ever been in their prime after 13 years and 88 fights as a pro, just the way I see it.

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Very funny. Fighters such as Mosley, Lacy, Maywheather, Taylor, Ried had tons of fights (some in the hundreds) far before they ever even turned pro, what does that mean? That means if you are fighting part time boxers (boxers who cant live off of their wages so they have to work other jobs) it's very easy to build a record like that, and it would not take 13 years I tell you that much. Add the fact that Chavez is only a year and a half older than Whitaker you dont have much. I won't take anything from Chavez because he was a great fighter but prime or no prime Pernell Whitaker was better, he proved it time and time again.

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Damn.

Thanks babe...almost forgot...

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My top 5 would go like this:

Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard (& I don't even like that ego tripper)
Monzon
Hopkins
Mayweather or Winky Wright.

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Thanks babe...almost forgot...

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Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard (& I don't even like that ego tripper)
Monzon
Hopkins
Mayweather or Winky Wright.

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Fixed...just for you...& for the record...the firey pit is still lit.

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How the hell did you get over 17,000 post? You are one dedicated member. You live on this site.

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How the hell did you get over 17,000 post? You are one dedicated member. You live on this site.

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Alcoholics do (what to others might seem like) very strange things.

I love to talk boxing after a few liquor drinks...says something about me alcoholism now...don't it. ;D ;) :drunks:











































**Seriously though...I just love boxing & this is my favorite site.

My top ten af all time goes as follows:

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Ali
4. Louis
5. Duran
6. Pep
7. Greb
8. Wilde
9. Benny Leonard
10.Ray Leonard

Whitaker is my number 11.

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My top ten af all time goes as follows:

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Ali
4. Louis
5. Duran
6. Pep
7. Greb
8. Wilde
9. Benny Leonard
10.Ray Leonard

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Not far off mine mate - good list I reckon

I wonder about the number one spot.

Was the welterweight and middle division from 1940 to 1965 quality?

The 1970s Heavyweight division was the best ever.

Sugar Ray Robinson won in round 10 alot. I wonder if he had a wearing down,

tactic then take them out in 10 thing going?

For the number one spot...

1. Robinson & Ali.

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