Who was the best british/irish middle/supermiddle ?

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Originally Posted by WWatt

Dude has pedigree, though. He was the first British fighter to EVER win a medal at the senior world championships.

Listen, he punches harder than most if not all of the other SMW's, he's stronger than most if not all of the other SMW's, he's rangier than most if not all of the other SMW's, he's faster than most if not all of the other SMW's, he can box up close, he can box out of range. He's got some awkward unusual shots, from silly angles. He's never ever been floored in his life, never even been hurt! And he has that equaliser, remember. I'm standing by Froch..

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And despite all those attributes he had to pull a win out of the bag against Charles Adamu who smacked him in the face all night long with the right hand.

Adamu fought a twelve rounder two weeks previous as well.

Frochy can't get motivated for those opponents, I believe you haven't seen the best of him yet. I am sure that a Calzaghe or a Kessler would bring the best out of him!

When have you ever seen Carl Froch breathing heavily, for example?

I wasn't a big Froch fan at all until the Magee win. That was the first time I thought he showed a bit of substance instead of showmanship. He's got talent, we know he can bang and his chin looked safe last time out. I agree with the questions over his defence though. His hands are way too low, too often. It's a major weakness that will be exploited the further up in class he goes. If he learns to get his hands up he has the tools to be a big player in that division no doubt.
He's got a country mile to go before he gets mentioned with the names in this thread though. I won't breathe his name in the same sentence as Benn just yet.

Mmm.

Thing is, all his opponents have held their gloves high up and still got KO'd...only a handful went the distance and most of them touched the canvas en route.

So i dont see what the deal his - he's a sweet counter puncher - he shows them plenty of target and draws them in - then wallop.

He has more plus's than neg's.

He hits like a mule, great chin, excellent stamina and some great punches in his arsenal, especially the uppercut.

BM: Ultimate ambitions?

CF: I turned pro with the aspiration of becoming a top world champ. To me, British and Commonwealth champ isn’t half way up the ladder. I’ll not settle for European. I aim to achieve unification. That’s not unrealistic because I was ranked three or four in the world as an amateur and I’m a much better pro. Britain’s full of pessimists but I see nothing wrong with setting massive goals. It’d be great if the nation could get behind me.

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BM: Ultimate ambitions?

CF: I turned pro with the aspiration of becoming a top world champ. To me, British and Commonwealth champ isn’t half way up the ladder. I’ll not settle for European. I aim to achieve unification. That’s not unrealistic because I was ranked three or four in the world as an amateur and I’m a much better pro. Britain’s full of pessimists but I see nothing wrong with setting massive goals. It’d be great if the nation could get behind me.

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That was from a while back, maybe December last year.

Henry Wharton was a good fighter, tough, wicked hooks and all.

Robin Reid wasn't bad. Wharton at his best would of had him, though.

Stop talking to yourself DD ;D

;D

He thinks he's Mad_Dog.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

;D

He thinks he's Mad_Dog.

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Haha ;)

Lol!

I was under the impression that Calzaghe was half-welsh and half-italian? Am I missing something here? ???

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

I was under the impression that Calzaghe was half-welsh and half-italian? Am I missing something here? ???

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Yeh, you are missing that fact that Wales is in Britain


Hope this helps

Remember pre-Kaylor Errol Christie?

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Remember pre-Kaylor Errol Christie?

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I do.

What about it please tell

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What about it please tell

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He was good!

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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I was under the impression that Calzaghe was half-welsh and half-italian? Am I missing something here? ???

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Yeh, you are missing that fact that Wales is in Britain


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Wales has been a resistant occupied territory, Big H. It's not a part of Britian. In fact, it's a part of the U.K. There is a significant difference.
Do some research before you make outlandish statements that expose your ineptitude.
I Doubt that helps. ;D

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I was under the impression that Calzaghe was half-welsh and half-italian? Am I missing something here? ???

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Yeh, you are missing that fact that Wales is in Britain


Hope this helps

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Wales has been a resistant occupied territory, Big H. It's not a part of Britian. In fact, it's a part of the U.K. There is a significant difference.
Do some research before you make outlandish statements that expose your ineptitude.
I Doubt that helps. ;D

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I don't care what you looked up or when you got that sh1t, but Wales is part of Britain!!!

It is also part of the UK

Check out Calzaghe's Nationality on this link ;) http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=5364

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I was under the impression that Calzaghe was half-welsh and half-italian? Am I missing something here? ???

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Yeh, you are missing that fact that Wales is in Britain


Hope this helps

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Wales has been a resistant occupied territory, Big H. It's not a part of Britian. In fact, it's a part of the U.K. There is a significant difference.
Do some research before you make outlandish statements that expose your ineptitude.
I Doubt that helps. ;D

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The full title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, of which I am a proud patron. This includes Scotland, England, Wales and obviously Northern Ireland. Hope this helps. ;)

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I was under the impression that Calzaghe was half-welsh and half-italian? Am I missing something here? ???

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Yeh, you are missing that fact that Wales is in Britain


Hope this helps

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Wales has been a resistant occupied territory, Big H. It's not a part of Britian. In fact, it's a part of the U.K. There is a significant difference.
Do some research before you make outlandish statements that expose your ineptitude.
I Doubt that helps. ;D

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The full title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, of which I am a proud patron. This includes Scotland, England, Wales and obviously Northern Ireland. Hope this helps. ;)

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Easiest way to look at it is to see the Welsh British Boxing Champions, and the Welsh British Olympians - think Mr Shadow is confusing England and Britain ;D

....and if I was been really Britkidesque and quoting people i,e an encyclopedia ;D ;D

Great Britain is an island lying off the northwestern coast of mainland Europe and to the east of Ireland, comprising the main territory of the United Kingdom. Great Britain is also used as a geopolitical term describing the combination of England, Scotland, and Wales, which together comprise the entire island and some outlying islands. Great Britain, and simply Britain, are used as informal names for the sovereign state properly known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Britain - England, Scotland, Wales

UK - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland


The UK used to be - England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Rep of Ireland. But the Rep of Ireland fucked off out of it.

..... as did most of the rest of the world.
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..... as did most of the rest of the world.
8)

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"Ireland fucked off out of it." Which demonstrated its (i.e., the Rebublic of Ireland) intelligence and independence. ;)

British Isles theres over 6,ooo of them thats a lot of Isles.

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Originally Posted by Scrap

British Isles theres over 6,ooo of them thats a lot of Isles.

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What?

Calzaghe is da man! >:mad

eubank ws a waste of talent?....YEAH RIGHT! :o

Dont quote me I think its 6,304 or there abouts Mr Watt, thats a lot of isles

if calzaghe beats few more good names hes going on my number 1 list

Joe Calzaghe was born in London, whilst Enzo and his wife lived there upon meeting each other.

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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy

eubank ws a waste of talent?....YEAH RIGHT! :o

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Is this some kind of joke?

I would go with Calzaghe: mainly because he is the only one I have ever seen fight.

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Originally Posted by Joe Petka

I would go with Calzaghe: mainly because he is the only one I have ever seen fight.

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I would say Calzaghe, but I have nothing but mad respect for Eubank and Benn....I grew up watching them fights on TV...

Nigel Benn kicked ass !

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Dont quote me I think its 6,304 or there abouts Mr Watt, thats a lot of isles

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It's 6,314, actually.

IMO, in terms of absolute prime, beit only one performance, Eubank was clearly the best fighter of those mentioned.

I'd have to go along with Eubank.

Pre-Watson it would of taken something special to beat him at his best.